No, not by my understanding. The point being that the walls are there to avoid this.
Old Trafford quadrants.
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No, not by my understanding. The point being that the walls are there to avoid this.
I don't think he meant that you are sitting in a lob sided seat, at least I hope that's not what he meant.
Found the old thread discussing this but my illustration has long since disappeared, so I've stuck it back up on Imageshack:
Thie idea is that it shows how the North stand having a shallower gradient than the ends leads to the need for the "walls" in the quadrants...
...if you think I'd be better off sticking to badly photoshopped pics of Ralphie as Pete Boyle with Mick Hucknall's hair and Dame Edna's glasses, just say.
I've seen that before. That still doesn't explain how the lower parts(exec seating, connect to both stands, seamlessly(or so it seems).
I dont' think they do, though that would certainly render my diagrams incorrect. I don't think I've ever seen the quadrants form the North stand - Will check the photos!
Your diagrams are a bit off, Aidan. Just look at the pictures of the quads that Weastey and myself have posted. The lower parts below the wall almost merge seemlessly.
...Actually, things are definitely more complicate than my diagram. According to my theory, there'd be no need for the walls round by the North stand. However, I think from the pics on page 1 that I'm right that the gradient is the same as the North. While this pic shows that the join with the Stretty is much less even, and I reckon you can see that the quad is less steep in that patch where there are no seats at the bottom of the join:
Maybe they just put the walls there to give us something to talk about?
I reckon it's due to a lack of space ie the quadrants have been squeezed in.
The gradients are different Spoony, maybe only a few degrees, but they are different. It's not how it joins the end and the North, but what is going on in the middle to correct the gradient as it goes around. That's why it's all over the show - even the exists are not level. How can the space it's in be too small? It's a wedge, a wedge comes to a point. And there are no perfect joins with the quadrant and the two stands, unlike the lower tier.
The lower tier as in the lower part of the second tier quadrant?
So basically, if continued on the same gradient as the lower part(below the wall) it'd have been completely off?
So basically, if continued on the same gradient as the lower part(below the wall) it'd have been completely off?
You have to remember that all the stands apart from the North (I think that was demolished completely) have basically built on the top of the old bowl, so it should be almost right at that level that once held 44,000. I think they made the North stand three tier because of costs. If they had used just two, to get the same amount of people in, they would have been seriously encroaching on the Bridgewater, not to mention health and safety concerns that may have brought on due to lack of space there. When it went three tier, they had to use a slightly steeper angle I think. The South stand is a different kettle of fish, they have a problem two or three tier, but I suspect that it's a far easier job to overhang a single tier rather than two.
How come the South doesn't fit properly then (whereas the North does)?
I'm sure they rebuilt the lower tier of the Stretty (and East I think)... surely it's the South that is the only remaining part of the old bowl?
Actually, I'm confusing myself... they rebuilt the lower tier of the Stretty when it went all seater, didn't they? I guess it depends what we're calling the "old bowl" - I'm pretty sure the South stand is older than any of the other lower tiers!
They've painted them red Spoons. So, the mess is far less noticable.
Cool - any pics?
Should have been done in the first place... maybe we couldn't afford the paint until the Ronaldo deal went through?
Yes, I've got a few from this morning, I'll get them off the camera now.
Sorry, not got Photoshop on this computer, so the resize isn't the best quality, but...
Certainly better!
The odd thing is, and you can't really see it from that angle, but the paint is highly glossy. Maybe they hadn't finished yet? They were also putting balconies on the North Stand exec boxes, so that the prawn sandwich brigade can watch the match without looking through a glass wall.
Really? Where's the space for that? Are they removing the back row of the North Stand seating?
No, I think that they were simply moving the glass wall back, putting on a glass door and then a rail to stop people falling off.
Blimey, there won't be much space in those boxes then, they're tiny at the best of times.
Or not much space on the balconies, two people having to sqeeze past each other, will go down great when the ladies are invited.
Wasn't it done months ago?