Bloody hell, this bloke hasn't got a clue. Even to you gooners, he'd have shipped Bergkamp out four years ago. 
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peterstorey said:
It's called sensible football discussion. Keane is fecked, and there is nothing much else left.
Baraja fetish I have!
That was the parallel that struck me. Both were World Class in 98/99ish (and by World Class I mean in a World squad of 22). They aren't now but still contribute real class moments. Ronaldo for all his flash hasn't done as much for you in real terms as Giggs this season (even since Xmas).WeasteDevil said:Bloody hell, this bloke hasn't got a clue. Even to you gooners, he'd have shipped Bergkamp out four years ago.
peterstorey said:
Exactly, because all of the promise Ronaldo gives, he still is not as effective as the old warhorse Ryan Giggs, who has given us the most assits this season.
Ronaldo is an exceptional talent, but he is still only 19, it could go either way, he might become one of the best wingers in the world, yet he might not. We'll have to see. But the best thing for the kid is to train with somebody like Ryan Giggs, play with somebody like Ryan Giggs.
You have bought Reyes, and no matter what is said on here in jelousy, is a fantastic player, watched his for a few years now, he's top drawer. But many posters on here will say he's shite because he's an Arse player. He'll learn one hell of a lot off Henry, and will I'm sure become one of the best CFs in the world, better than Torres I expect. Give it 5 years.
WeasteDevil said:It's called sensible football discussion. Keane is fecked, and there is nothing much else left.
Baraja fetish I have!
I agree about Keano - trouble is I just don't see Baraja arriving at OT. In any event wouldn't a British terrier like Parker or Lampard be a safer bet given their PL experience ?(and also given that neither are subject to the allergic reaction to the British climate and pace of football that seems to afflict a fair proportion of Latin imports?!)
If Chelski are offloading one of them would be good for us - hell I could see Makelele playing the hoding role for us with Scholes slotted alongside.
In any event I don't see SAF bringing in any more CM than Miller this summer. None of us have seen him in a United shirt - maybe he'll do a good job for us - he's touted as Keane's successor in the RI squad - time for him to prove it!
WeasteDevil said:
All I'd really seen of Reyes is his demolition of Real madrid, which was amazing enough. What I do know is that Wenger watched him for 3 years, wanted to sign him over anybody outside the Unobtainables, which tells it's own story.
peterstorey said:
He's class I tell you, the best of the lot, including Torres, Vicente, Joaquin.
WeasteDevil said:
He was pretty amazing against Chelsea in the cup. Chucked on in a Brit derby cup-tie when you're 1 down & scored 2 to turn the game around.
EricVanCoppell said:
Miller is a kid! You do not bring in kids of that age to take responsibility as the engine of the team. You just don't.
Yeah, great, Fletch, he could be a great midfield player, but he's 19 years old. Miller 22. Great future, but for now, for now, we need an experienced player.
peterstorey said:
Do not forget, he's still very young, and still adapting.
It's an excuse sometimes I know, but he seems to be getting in to it (adaptation). He's class, and I hate you for having him!
WeasteDevil said:
Has anyone in RC watchd Liam Miller on a regular basis?
All I hear is potential which is clearly NOT what we need atm.
Good!
I think the physical demands of the PL are very tough for young players Reyes is still adapting as is Ronaldo. Rooney is physically very advanced I'd see him coming back to his peers as they grow up.
I think the physical demands of the PL are very tough for young players Reyes is still adapting as is Ronaldo. Rooney is physically very advanced I'd see him coming back to his peers as they grow up.
WeasteDevil said:
Would love an experienced midfield player - just don't see it happening.
Of the current crop Miller would appear to be the one most likely to step up.
I've mentioned 3 experienced Chelsea players who would walk into our midfield atm and if any became available as part of a reshuffle at the Bridge then we could be back in business. Again though you can bet that we will feck it up in the transfer market - allow someone like Makelele to sign for someone else and we persevere with unproven youngsters.
If we start Miller next year then we're fecked with a big rubber dildo. I've made it a point to watch him and I don't see anything remotely special about him.
lchk said:
I've watched him quite a few times, he's not Roy Keane, at least not yet.
I'd, daft as it sounds I would let John O'Shea have a go at central midfield in the reserves. He's big enough, has two good feet, is strong. He's no leftback, that's for sure.
Raoul said:
Baraja mate, he's the only one!
SAF must see this?
O'Shea looks like a very good LM in a largely defensive side to me.WeasteDevil said:
peterstorey said:
I'd stick him in the reserves and see how he performs at CM.
It won't be rubber and it will have large metal spikes on it, believe me.Raoul said:
peterstorey said:
Agree re O'Shea. Definately worth a punt.
Fortune's done alright at left back, let him or Phil take over temporarilly.
Fortune's done alright at left back, let him or Phil take over temporarilly.
EricVanCoppell said:
Unfortunately I doubt Roman, more like Kenyon, would allow a Chelsea player to defect to United. It would strengthen a rival's squad. If Kenyon did sell Lampard or Makelele to United, expect a complete rip off on the negotiations.
Mr. Wood said:
That could be disaster with Fortune (natural midfielder), I'd probably go with Phil though he has little to offer offensively. Better to move Micky to LB and sign a bulldog CD like Ayala or Ferrari. Turn O'Shea into a Phil type...ultimate utility player...LB, CD, DM, RB.
WeasteDevil said:
I think the person who Fergie thinks fills the gap between Keano and Fletch/Miller is Kleberson. Whether that turns out to be the case we will have to wait and see because we would need a vast improvement over this seasons form from Kleberson. And I am not having a go at him because it was a tough year for him injury wise but the facts are if Kleberson or Djemba can fill the gap between Keano and Fletch/Miller we need to see an improvement.
I suppose as SAF has played the following players out of position
Giggs - support striker
Solskaear - right winger
Fortune - left back
Ronaldo - left wing
Keano - centreback
he would entertain the prospect of OShea in centre midfield
On the other hand are we that fecking desperate?!
FFS we have a whole team of midfielders in the squad - talking about moving one of our more promisibg defenders to midfiled because the midfielders we already have are either too old, too crap or too young is in mty view just clutching at very brittle straws.
Giggs - support striker
Solskaear - right winger
Fortune - left back
Ronaldo - left wing
Keano - centreback
he would entertain the prospect of OShea in centre midfield
On the other hand are we that fecking desperate?!
FFS we have a whole team of midfielders in the squad - talking about moving one of our more promisibg defenders to midfiled because the midfielders we already have are either too old, too crap or too young is in mty view just clutching at very brittle straws.
and he scored as wellRedPhil1957 said:
don't think that was stupid
EricVanCoppell said:he would entertain the prospect of OShea in centre midfield
On the other hand are we that fecking desperate?!
Possibly, but he's a big strong lad, seems like he's got a lot of energy, two good feet, he can't do any worse than some of the shite in there ATM.
WeasteDevil said:
For the first time, I agree with you.
WeasteDevil said:Baraja mate, he's the only one!
SAF must see this?
For what ? to replace Keane..?Did we replace GeorgeBest and in recent years we are yet to find proper replacements for Cantona and Stam.that didnt hamper us from being a strong team and winning the premiership
whats the problem with Scholes.If paired with a strong holding player like Makalele we are going to have a world class central midfield partner ship.
But you are ducking all my questions and making one line statements like
we need Baraja and we must empty our funds to buy him?
redfan said:
Again ..There was only one Best and one Cantona.We are yet to replace them
what kind of argument you are putting forward?vijay_vr said:Again ..There was only one Best and one Cantona.We are yet to replace them
What do Cantona and Best have to do with the current state of our midfield?
And as for Makalele, he cost Chelsea the same amount as Baraja probably would.
WeasteDevil said:
Thats not my point.Great players have represented United in the past and even after their retirement we are able to taste success as a team -though when we were unable to find proper players to replace them.That same criteria can also be applied to Keane.A fit Keane can take the team to a different level but in recennt we were able to play top quality football even when Keane was out injured or when he was out due to suspension.So finding a player who can match Keane in terms of ability need not be our first priority.
Ronaldo needs to be protected and if we go in to next season without acquiring a new winger -it means we are hoping Ronaldo and Giggs to deliver in 30 + matches and there is a strong possibly that he might get burned out.
This season our victories were workmanlike.We lacked width and creativity.Playing fletcher on the right was a sad joke and we played the worst match of the season when Scholes was forced to start from the right.We badly need a Cantona like player who can provide creativity and flair.So I think we should look for a player in the mould of Henry/Raul/Torres who can start 10 metres ahead of Scholes and also has the ability to play on the lateral lines.I think that should be our first priority.I find we are more stronger if we play Scholes as our main distributor from the Central Midfield with a new withdrawn forward linking him with Ruud.
We are yet to give Djemba and Kleberson adequate number of chances to prove their worth.I think either one of them will click next season. After getting Parker there is a strong possiblity that Chelsea might offload Makalele.We can get him for a more cheaper price than Baraja IMO and Makalele(or a similar player)--Scholes partnership can provide us the necessary thrust from the hub.
Like Weaste has said approx 455,281 times () Baraja is the player Man Utd need. Its time for Keane to become a proper defensive midfield and someone like Baraja is ideal for you. I'd be very concerned if you got him, very concerned. With Keane simply not having the stamina he had before you need a new box to box player. Weaste you would probably know the most about Valencia's finances around here, do you think if they win the UEFA cup and with the league won they are under any pressure to sell?
I'm not gonna mention Gerrard because you will never get him, I think he would join us or Chelsea before he ever joined Man utd. He is more than welcome to join us btw, Kanu+Wiltord+Cygan + £5mill for Gerrard?
Thats exactly what some R.Madrid fan was telling me back in January. When I learned of our interest in him last summer watched him carefully and boy was he good. Had great games against Barca and R.Madrid, really gave Puyol a torrid time and he is regarded as one of the best. This Madrid fan was telling me he is better than Vicente as well, considering the kind of form Vicente is in though that was quite a statement to make! He has settled in well I think and every game I see him in he is getting better. His partnership with Henry is finally showing signs of gelling as well as they both looked on a different wavelength in other games.
) Baraja is the player Man Utd need. Its time for Keane to become a proper defensive midfield and someone like Baraja is ideal for you. I'd be very concerned if you got him, very concerned. With Keane simply not having the stamina he had before you need a new box to box player. Weaste you would probably know the most about Valencia's finances around here, do you think if they win the UEFA cup and with the league won they are under any pressure to sell?I'm not gonna mention Gerrard because you will never get him, I think he would join us or Chelsea before he ever joined Man utd. He is more than welcome to join us btw, Kanu+Wiltord+Cygan + £5mill for Gerrard?
WeasteDevil said:
Thats exactly what some R.Madrid fan was telling me back in January. When I learned of our interest in him last summer watched him carefully and boy was he good. Had great games against Barca and R.Madrid, really gave Puyol a torrid time and he is regarded as one of the best. This Madrid fan was telling me he is better than Vicente as well, considering the kind of form Vicente is in though that was quite a statement to make! He has settled in well I think and every game I see him in he is getting better. His partnership with Henry is finally showing signs of gelling as well as they both looked on a different wavelength in other games.
JazzG said:
They are not in serious debt, but they don't have a lot of cash either. Their main shareholder (and ex-president) comes from a family (Brother is President of Vila-Real) that have a lot of businesses in that part of Spain, including Pamesa (ceramic company), and Mercadona (Supermarket chain) amongst other things. They are businessmen, and do not pile money into the clubs like the big blue Russian does. They treat the clubs like little playthings really, as long as it doesn't cost too much, and will sell and buy players if it makes good business sense. Where did most of the Mendieta money go for example, it doesn't need much working out, as it was not re-invested into the club. They also have some very good youngsters coming through.
It's just how they work, there is not serios pressure for them to win anything, as they are never expected to do so, and the supporters do not demand it in the same way as Real Madrid and Barcelona supporters do. Them lot have a chip on their shoulders though, they reckon (like a lot of our supporters) that it's their divine right to win anything and everything. Valencia is not under that kind of pressure. They will sell IMO if a decent offer is made.
Reyes deffo has the quality to succeed. However, I think Vincete will be better suited to the Prem. He's got the right physical attributes. Tallish, strong and pacey. He's not flash...... kinda gets the job done if you know what I mean. Top player. I mentioned him around two...three seasons ago on here. Only Weastey knew who I was talking about.
As for Reyes, what his best position?
As for Reyes, what his best position?
giggzy said:
I reckon on the left, behind a target man.
benchgiggzy said:
vijay_vr said:
Mozza said:
Unfortunately I was caught in my office and I was following the game through the net.It was fate I decided to follow the match through the Matchday Forum...The way Ste grassham and Dubai_Devil gave their comments I thought we were hammering Chelsea from pillair to post.Better have a check..Only when I watched the highlights on Monday,I got the real picture.
Getting back to the topic .I didnt mean to say Scholes cannot tackle but he is not a great tackler as such..
So I was searching for a 'Warhorse' film thread and stumbled on this. Don't ask.
Thought it was an interesting thread worth a bump, considering we still don't have a definitive replacement (if there is such a thing). If nothing, the reminisce is a break from the negativity/straw clutching.
I'm guessing there was a lot muppetry regarding Gerrard to United around this time
Also, this....
Thought it was an interesting thread worth a bump, considering we still don't have a definitive replacement (if there is such a thing). If nothing, the reminisce is a break from the negativity/straw clutching.
I'm guessing there was a lot muppetry regarding Gerrard to United around this time
Also, this....
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