'The crowd should start turning... As long as the crowd supports the team, this guy thinks he's on cloud nine'
Heat of the moment and all that, but that is fecking ridiculous.
Old man angrly sums our current situation up.
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Heat of the moment and all that, but that is fecking ridiculous.
He hasn't got a Scooby Doo on what he's doing.
That cracked me up.
That cracked me up.
We are individually and collectively unrecognisable from the team at the beginning of this season, never mind the PL winners of last season.
The Moysification of Utd is almost complete. History is repeating itself, a la Busby / McGuiness.
It is a mirror image of Hodson at Liverpool. The Scousers recognised it early, voiced their loud disapproval and managed to get rid. Hodson simply did not belong at Liverpool.
Moyes does not belong at Utd.
Not his fault, [thoroughly decent chap I'm sure] and he did not put himself forward for the job, he was given it uncompetitively. He could not refuse.
In man management terms we are bereft of leadership, belief, desire, and confidence - we are performing at 50% of our ability [if that].
Tactically, we have regressed to the point where our football is more akin to the mid 80's. There is no pace, our movement off / and beyond the ball is minimal and we create 'bobbins' against sides of any note. Our strategy is reactive and not proactive.
The talent of our forward players is up their with the best. Theoretically, with one or two quality additions we could and should be challenging on all fronts. But it will not happen under Moyes.
Aside from his comments on Fellaini who is a decent squad player, certainly better than Cleverley, Fletcher, Anderson, I have to agree wholeheartedly with the angry old man.
The Moysification of Utd is almost complete. History is repeating itself, a la Busby / McGuiness.
It is a mirror image of Hodson at Liverpool. The Scousers recognised it early, voiced their loud disapproval and managed to get rid. Hodson simply did not belong at Liverpool.
Moyes does not belong at Utd.
Not his fault, [thoroughly decent chap I'm sure] and he did not put himself forward for the job, he was given it uncompetitively. He could not refuse.
In man management terms we are bereft of leadership, belief, desire, and confidence - we are performing at 50% of our ability [if that].
Tactically, we have regressed to the point where our football is more akin to the mid 80's. There is no pace, our movement off / and beyond the ball is minimal and we create 'bobbins' against sides of any note. Our strategy is reactive and not proactive.
The talent of our forward players is up their with the best. Theoretically, with one or two quality additions we could and should be challenging on all fronts. But it will not happen under Moyes.
Aside from his comments on Fellaini who is a decent squad player, certainly better than Cleverley, Fletcher, Anderson, I have to agree wholeheartedly with the angry old man.
Can we get him on here? Or is he in fact moses?
He is spot on though. Moyes is clueless.
Our supporters are there to support the team and they at least do what they came for which is way more then can be said of the team and our manager at the moment but I don't think for a second anyone on the board thought "Oh dandy the crowd is singing because they love losing 0-3 to our fiercest rival and being a mid table team, carry on Moyes your doing a fabulous job."
Sack Moyes, sign Mr. Bobbins.
Well who are we? We are the 'common man on the street'. At times the caf likes to think we are some new breed of super-fan, and there is almost subtle censorship of certain views on here.
Superb rant! "Stoneage football"
I'm not convinced he'd EVER be happy tho. Prob one of those old fans who complains when we win 3-0 that it shouldve been 8
I'm not convinced he'd EVER be happy tho. Prob one of those old fans who complains when we win 3-0 that it shouldve been 8
Decent rant but we've been playing stoneage football for ages.
Ferguson has really let himself go
But how would people know who the supporters are supporting? When you look at supporters are still singing, do you think people in charge would know it's just for the team, not include Moyes tactical inaptitude? Do supporters make it obvious, like: "we are Uniteedd.. PS: we're not singing for your bobbin tactic, Moyes.." ?
That was a good interview. Much better than moyes' interviews. Everything he said, except the bit on fellaini, was spot on.
Mr Bobbins should be given the sole task of appointing our new manager as he is the only bloke that has spoken some real sense all season
And I agree with him in regards to Fellaini too...I think Fellaini is a big improvement on Anderson and Cleverley but he will still never be a Utd player. He is just too slow at turning and not creative enough with the ball to be a long term Utd player.......he's a handy option to have on the bench if we're chasing a game but if Van Gaal or Klopp comes in in the summer their firsts thoughts will probably how they will offload Fellaini once we have other midfielders bought and whether they would prefer to sacrifice Rooney or Mata.....Anderson had all the skills to make it to the top but maybe had either a bad attitude or just physically was never able for the premier league and in the end just didn't look interested
And I agree with him in regards to Fellaini too...I think Fellaini is a big improvement on Anderson and Cleverley but he will still never be a Utd player. He is just too slow at turning and not creative enough with the ball to be a long term Utd player.......he's a handy option to have on the bench if we're chasing a game but if Van Gaal or Klopp comes in in the summer their firsts thoughts will probably how they will offload Fellaini once we have other midfielders bought and whether they would prefer to sacrifice Rooney or Mata.....Anderson had all the skills to make it to the top but maybe had either a bad attitude or just physically was never able for the premier league and in the end just didn't look interested
Seriously? You ask how someone would know that the supporters of one of the biggest clubs in the world aren't singing because they are super happy about a mid table place and shit football? Common man you just need to look at Sir Alex face during the game to know how much this has hurt every supporter in the stadium that day. Or just take a look at the press or even worse on twitter.
I mean I know our owners are yanks but not even they can be this stupid to think that anyone is happy with what Moyes has achieved here so far.
The only real support he gets is from people who still hope he will come good in the end but even they are hardly happy about our current situation they just think he needs more time and rebuild the squad.
What this guy says about Mourinho is bang on. Jose would have walked right in with that arrogant style of his and said "right, I'm here", and we'd have fecking loved it.
Scooby do is Bobbins to be fair. Fellaini is shaggy.
We would have. I've never understood the whole 'manager needs to be classy' thing. Most of England would say Fergie was the opposite of that and we couldn't care less.
When you start to value how nice someone is over how good they are at their job then you are in trouble. Rooney is a bit of a bellend, I'd still rather have him up front than Welbeck all the same.
I thought what he said about that was straight up stupid. If we were at the top with Moyes we'd be loving that he is so happy to be here. if Mourinho came and had us playing shit we be complaining that he has no passion and doesn't even want to be here. There are plenty of things to criticize Moyes about but saying he is glad to be the manager here is not one of them.
I don't think that was exactly what he was trying to say.
Love that interview personally. Absolutely spot on, mr. bobbins.
He's referring more to the aura and charisma of the guy as someone who wouldn't have been fazed by the job he was about to walk into. Hence his comparison with when Cantona came here. Moyes has neither of those qualities.
Everyone hates revisionism, but it's fair to say tonnes of people were screaming for Mourinho over Moyes, and most of us sat very awkwardily at the idea of Moyes.
I'm sure in the "requirements" the club released there was something about success that Moyes didn't even come close to living up to,
Oh well, nothing we can do, the club have made their bed.
I'm sure in the "requirements" the club released there was something about success that Moyes didn't even come close to living up to,
Oh well, nothing we can do, the club have made their bed.
But the entire point is that we're not at the top with Moyes. If Mourinho was here, we'd be doing much better than we currently are. There's nothing wrong with a manager strictly wanting to be here - that's natural and you want that, but there's a border between wanting to be here and wanting to be here, if you know what I mean. If Mourinho had taken the job then he'd have wanted it, but he'd have felt he deserved it too. Moyes, on the other hand, looks like he's just happy to have been given a job that he knows is probably above his level.
Those lads asked me for an interview after the game (and a foxy lady about twenty yards up the road did likewise!) but I'm glad I didn't stop for a chat now.
I get the feeling that a pro-Moyes/support Moyes rhetoric isn't what they're looking for...
I get the feeling that a pro-Moyes/support Moyes rhetoric isn't what they're looking for...
Your positivity would break the internet....
I love a rant more than the next man, but I wouldn't have focused all my energy on the qualifications of our manager.
Meant to put this here, not the "Moyes so far thread"
Calm down, gramps. It's only a game.
Do you actually have any faith in Moyes?
How does it goes nahealai?
For some time you were adamant that we could challenge for and win the title this season. So you sure as hell did not think that the players were not good enough.
I am amazed at circular reactions of some people though -
Last year when media were saying that this is not a great United team and is winning the title because of Fergie and league being weak. Many were up in arms and accused the media of being idiotic. There was always some truth in it though, we were pretty poor for a stretch last season when RVP bailed us out multiple teams. The thing is though that we had a superb motivator in Fergie then to fight back to win 3-2 or 4-3.
This season though, suddenly penny has dropped for everyone that our squad needs a major overhaul. Same people who hand finger in their ears if anyone told them that our midfield is in dire situation and stunts like bringing out Scholes from retirement are not going to solve the problem, seem to be most adamant about it now. Odd.
Anyway, as bad as our squad may be, Moyes has taken it to a new low. There can not be any question about it. I that this forgivable only if he was trying to implement a system or his vision which would take 1-2 seasons to come to fruition. I see absolutely no evidence that he is trying something like that.
This is what everyone has been saying for the past few weeks. I don't get how he hasn't at least tried a new system.
They asked Lineker the other day and he dodged it alright. As expected.
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What the fück are you smiling at?
Where have I mentioned Moyes' name once in those posts you've quoted?
Calm down, tiger. You don't have to say his name, but your valuation of him (and how he manage this team) is written all over in those two posts (and maybe more, if I bothered). It's like a woman is on heat, who keeps saying "no" while licking her lips with face getting red.
Again, I'll ask: how are you determining I'm talking about Moyes in those posts quoted above?
Your final summation is also bizarre.
Tbh, I'm too lazy to explain it to get to your comprehensive level.
Maybe anyone here would do it? What those posts mean, in terms of the manager?
Condescension usually works best when the deliverer has a fúcking clue what they're talking about.