ODI Cricket Draft QF 4: Harshad vs NM

[The Man Himself]

Nah the likelihood of they being hit is less likely especially chasing when the need to score is higher. Bracken for instance played in that 434 chase of SA and almost won the game for his country with 5-67 off his 10. His economy of 6.7 The next best economy from a frontline bowler was 7.6 by johan vander wath http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsavaus/engine/current/match/238200.html

Another game where Aus scored 377 against SA and SA in reply scored 294. He had the best figures for a front line bowler. http://www.espncricinfo.com/wc2007/engine/match/247478.html




All people asked were if need be where would you get 4-5 overs done. Which he is fine for. If you think Dilshan is going to make some kind of difference on this pitch because he has taken 100 wickets then I think my batsmen would love it. Kohli and Dhoni would have no issues to score at all against dilshan. Especially in this pitch.

You provide 1-2 game links selectively of your players and then say that when you are batting you will target Razzaq-Ashwin. Bracken is simply not in same category as any of my bowlers. He looked good as support act. He is nowhere close to any of my front 3 bowlers. Very likely he will be smashed around by AB.

So Chanderpaul is 'fine' for 4-5 overs? Going by way you have been talking about our part timers who were/are regular bowlers and have 350+ wickets, Chanderpaul should concede 50-60 runs in those 4-5 overs. That's the game lost for you.

 

[The Man Himself]

Saying Chanderpaul can score quickly is a big joke. The guy has SR in 60s against Aus, SA, NZ and Pak, all teams will good bowlers historically.

 

[Mani]

Chamderpaul bowling

This game where he took 4-0-16-2 against Aus (took wicckets of Waugh brothers) http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65550.html
This game where he took 5-0- 18-3 against Ind http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65878.html
This game in 2008 where he took 4-0-19-0 against SA http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/298809.html
This game where he took an important wicket to break the partnership against Pak http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65549.html
This game in 1996 where he bowled 8-0-35-1 against NZ http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64525.html
This game against Eng where he took 5-0-23-1 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64588.html

So he may not be rated much but he could definitely send in 3 or 4 overs and could chip in wickets too. If all we need is to get 4-5 overs done without conceding a lot of runs, Chanderpaul does seem to have done that a few times in his career. So I dont think we are as low in Bowling options as TMH seems to make it seem. We have 5 bowlers, a decent part timer which seems sufficient from the fact that this pitch is suited for batsmen. We would prefer to deal with the situation that if a bowler supposedly has a bad spell he would be removed and then we would get Flintoff early to stifle the runs and get the other bowler to make up for it in the end. All 4 of our frontline bowlers were death bowlers so they are capable of coming back from a supposed bad spell if any (I hope this answers @Mani and @Boycott questions too)

You got 5 bowlers and last thing to do is ask Chanderpaul to bowl. Shakib might go for some runs but never use the part timers.

 

[prath92]

You provide 1-2 game links selectively of your players and then say that when you are batting you will target Razzaq-Ashwin. Bracken is simply not in same category as any of my bowlers. He looked good as support act. He is nowhere close to any of my front 3 bowlers. Very likely he will be smashed around by AB.

So Chanderpaul is 'fine' for 4-5 overs? Going by way you have been talking about our part timers who were/are regular bowlers and have 350+ wickets, Chanderpaul should concede 50-60 runs in those 4-5 overs. That's the game lost for you.

He looked good as supporting act? Thats a joke if there was ever one. He often opened bowling for Australia even pushing Mcgrath to first change. He took 46 wickets in 2006 alone and was ICC rank 1 for odi bowler in 2008. To say he "looked good as support act" is just preposterous. His career Econ is higher since he bowled at a more batsmen friendly time with 20 powerplays, 5 of which are chosen by the batsmen when they want. He has a better strike rate so I would suggest its more probable for AB to get out trying for a big shot than to get out to him. Especially in a chase. Plus in a chase, targetting Shakib will result in quite a few wickets in itself.

As we said, we dont expect any of them to have an "off day". We also said that none of the part-timers like Dilshan Duminy and all would make any difference in this pitch. It was only to people who asked where would you get 4-5 overs from if need be. Which he is good for.

You got 5 bowlers and last thing to do is ask Chanderpaul to bowl. Shakib might go for some runs but never use the part timers.

It was an option that is all. As we said, we dont expect there would be a big difference in using part timers to batsmen like these anyways as the batsmen in both sides are too good. We have a superior batting in that aspect.

Saying Chanderpaul can score quickly is a big joke. The guy has SR in 60s against Aus, SA, NZ and Pak, all teams will good bowlers historically.

As you said some pages back WI were in decline in 2000s meaning he had to almost always play a stabilizing role against most teams. In those situations the last thing they want to do is try to score quickly and lose wickets. Once he got his eye in he could score quite fast. Here he wont have that issue as we have enough batsmen to give a good platform and he would almost always play with a fast scoring batsman so there is no issue in anyway.

 

[The Man Himself]

Yea Bracken was support act to overall Aussie bowling. That he opened bowling doesn't change that, team can strategize on who should bowl when.

Don't expect anyone to have off day? And our bowling unit which is superior, will? It is just lame excuse for your weakness and we know from ODI history that you hardly ever rely on 5 bowlers to bowl 50 overs. Part timers as good as ours is HUGE advantage.

WI were poor but that doesn't mean that was the reason Chanders has low SR. He simply didn't have that accelerating gear and is a weakness in your middle order at 5.

 

[Mani]

Yea Bracken was support act to overall Aussie bowling. That he opened bowling doesn't change that, team can strategize on who should bowl when.

Don't expect anyone to have off day? And our bowling unit which is superior, will? It is just lame excuse for your weakness and we know from ODI history that you hardly ever rely on 5 bowlers to bowl 50 overs. Part timers as good as ours is HUGE advantage.

WI were poor but that doesn't mean that was the reason Chanders has low SR. He simply didn't have that accelerating gear and is a weakness in your middle order at 5.

You got Toss advantage and you got part timer who is safe as they don't need to bowl second.
He got Kristen/Hayden/Kohli/Dhoni and Flintoff and i don't think Chandarpaul would have too many pressure of scoring quick

 

[prath92]

Yea Bracken was support act to overall Aussie bowling. That he opened bowling doesn't change that, team can strategize on who should bowl when.

Don't expect anyone to have off day? And our bowling unit which is superior, will? It is just lame excuse for your weakness and we know from ODI history that you hardly ever rely on 5 bowlers to bowl 50 overs. Part timers as good as ours is HUGE advantage.

WI were poor but that doesn't mean that was the reason Chanders has low SR. He simply didn't have that accelerating gear and is a weakness in your middle order at 5.

Thats exactly what it means. He has a low SR because he often came before the 20th over 3 or 4 down and had to first gather the momentum from the bowling side and then attack. Talking about weakness, Gautam Gambhir in his 48 games against Aus SA and Pak averages 27 against them. Batting against such bowlers he struggled so its not a lot to say he would struggle against these bowlers here too. Martin Guptill averages 34 in his games outside the small grounds of NZ that came up since 2009 or so (also removed are games in Bangladesh and Zim) and thats boosted by a good english series where he played well against the likes of Dernbach Bresnan and all (28 against the rest of the teams). So they would definitely be weaknesses against Akram and Roberts too in the top order? Chasing that too.

Kirsten averages 39 against NZ Aus Pak and WI (good bowling units of his time), Hayden had good scores against most teams. When Lamb played most of his games were against WI Pak NZ and Aus and he had an average of 37 against them. Hayden Kohli and Dhoni were monsters against most teams so I'm not going to waste time with their stats here. So Frankly our batting is superior even if you believe Chanderpaul is a weakness.

 

[The Man Himself]

Ponting at 4 would be fine imo. He was great at 3, why would it hurt him to come in just a little later? That said, I still like Waugh quite a bit. Very good player whenever his team needed him most.

We just assume that good players will bat anywhere but it doesn't happen that way always. We focused on playing players at their best positions. This we stressed in match vs VP too.

Flintoff is batting at 7 here when most of the time he batted higher up. He has just 12 innings at 7 at SR of 75. Compare that to Razzaq who is great fit at 7. Because Flintoff did well at 5 means he will do at 7 is fallacy. As good as Kohli has been if we put him in team because of being so good and play him at say 5, we can't apply what he did at 3 to that game.

 

[prath92]

Yeah supporting act

Bracken, a left-arm bowler, played five Tests but was best known as a suffocating limited-overs specialist. His 174 ODI wickets places him sixth on Australia's list and his contribution was often under-rated.

He could swing the ball early in the innings but was equally effective at the death and was a key member of the 2007 World Cup triumph in the Caribbean. In 2009, he was Australia's ODI player of the Year after being picked in the ICC's World ODI Team the previous year.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/498663.html

Nathan Bracken's strong series against the West Indies has propelled him to the top of the one-day bowling rankings.

Bracken replaces New Zealand's Daniel Vettori in the No. 1 position, with Shane Bond, Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas rounding out the top five. Bracken's Australian fast bowling contemporaries, Mitchell Johnson and Brett Lee, are ranked seventh and eighth respectively.

"A clean sweep of the series (against the West Indies) was the key objective, but to hit the top of the ODI bowler rankings in the process was a real bonus," Bracken said.

Bracken led all-comers with eight wickets at 19.75 in the five match series against the West Indies. The results were particularly satisfying given that the left-arm paceman was returning from knee surgery, which he initially feared might have ended his career.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/bracken-worlds-best-oneday-bowler/2008/07/08/1215282797222.html

 

[The Man Himself]

Thats exactly what it means. He has a low SR because he often came before the 20th over 3 or 4 down and had to first gather the momentum from the bowling side and then attack. Talking about weakness, Gautam Gambhir in his 48 games against Aus SA and Pak averages 27 against them. Batting against such bowlers he struggled so its not a lot to say he would struggle against these bowlers here too. Martin Guptill averages 34 in his games outside the small grounds of NZ that came up since 2009 or so (also removed are games in Bangladesh and Zim) and thats boosted by a good english series where he played well against the likes of Dernbach Bresnan and all (28 against the rest of the teams). So they would definitely be weaknesses against Akram and Roberts too in the top order? Chasing that too.

Kirsten averages 39 against NZ Aus Pak and WI (good bowling units of his time), Hayden had good scores against most teams. When Lamb played most of his games were against WI Pak NZ and Aus and he had an average of 37 against them. Hayden Kohli and Dhoni were monsters against most teams so I'm not going to waste time with their stats here. So Frankly our batting is superior even if you believe Chanderpaul is a weakness.

You very conveniently give excuse for Bracken's SR and then raise issue with Ambrose's. The choice between two is just too obvious to even debate.

In batting, again you are selectively picking that which suits you. Your top 3 is slightly better but your 4-5 are not even close to ours. 6 yours is better but your no. 7 has batted just 12 innings at that position while ours has a 100 from that position, vs SA, WHILE CHASING at +7.5 RPO.

 

[The Man Himself]

Yeah supporting act



http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/498663.html



http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/bracken-worlds-best-oneday-bowler/2008/07/08/1215282797222.html

Yeah a series vs WI is the highlight

By this logic you should have also got Agarkar and try to argue how he is better than likes of Ambrose and Holding. Agarkar was fastest to 50 wickets after all when he reached there.

 

[prath92]

top 3 is slightly better? Hayden Kirsten and Kohli are considerably better than the counterparts. Its not even in the same league. You chose Chanderpaul's SR against the best bowling teams to say he wont score faster and I chose Gambhir's with the same teams (who again have the best bowlers) to show that he struggles to score against them. How is that selective? Guptill I chose all away teams except Zim and Bangladesh, so it would have included India and WI neither of which teams have even great bowling attack in ODI these days. The fact is Gambhir struggled against fast bowlers. He was also one of the batsmen targetted with the short ball in early 2010s.

Lets also talk about your #6 who has played there in 17 games against top 8 teams and averages 24.75 with 1 half century at that position. Compare to Dhoni who played 100+ games with an average of 45 against the top 8 with a century and 24 50s. So thats 3 batsmen who could struggle against quality bowling attack in your top 6. Even the supposed "inferior" bowlers could eat these players for breakfast. So lets not worry about whose no.7 is more suited and worry about your 2,3 and 6. There is going to be too much pressure on AB and Waugh and this can nly increase my chances of a mistake from both. Razzaq may be a decent batsman. But by then the momentum would be for our side.

And I must have forgotten when Agarkar was the #1 ranked ODI bowler ahead of Lee (who is a year older than Bracken), Johnson, Bond Vettori and Murali

 

[The Man Himself]

top 3 is slightly better? Hayden Kirsten and Kohli are considerably better than the counterparts. Its not even in the same league. You chose Chanderpaul's SR against the best bowling teams to say he wont score faster and I chose Gambhir's with the same teams (who again have the best bowlers) to show that he struggles to score against them. How is that selective? Guptill I chose all away teams except Zim and Bangladesh, so it would have included India and WI neither of which teams have even great bowling attack in ODI these days. The fact is Gambhir struggled against fast bowlers. He was also one of the batsmen targetted with the short ball in early 2010s.

Lets also talk about your #6 who has played there in 17 games against top 8 teams and averages 24.75 with 1 half century at that position. Compare to Dhoni who played 100+ games with an average of 45 against the top 8 with a century and 24 50s. So thats 3 batsmen who could struggle against quality bowling attack in your top 6. Even the supposed "inferior" bowlers could eat these players for breakfast. So lets not worry about whose no.7 is more suited and worry about your 2,3 and 6. There is going to be too much pressure on AB and Waugh and this can nly increase my chances of a mistake from both. Razzaq may be a decent batsman. But by then the momentum would be for our side.

And I must have forgotten when Agarkar was the #1 ranked ODI bowler ahead of Lee (who is a year older than Bracken), Johnson, Bond Vettori and Murali

Yes, it is not as much better for ODI as to be in different league. Kirsten's SR is jjust about 70. Kohli's avg batting first is around 42. As good as players they are, they are not nailed on to do very good. They are against a very strong trio of bowling against whom they will struggle to score against.

Talk about no. 6 but not worry about no. 7? Why? because your no. 7 is bang average in that position? My 2,3 have history of doing it while chasing, Gambhir did it in world cup finals. If we talk about pressure, slow batting of Kirsten and that weak middle order of yours and avg record of Flintoff at 7 is going to put it...on your bowlers when your team will fail to make it count on batting paradise when confronted by such superior bowling and will leave an easier target to chase.

Ya no. 1 bowler based on a series vs WI and inn a rankings where Sachin gets ranked no. 14 all time. Sounds legit.

 

[harshad]

I won't argue with you prath since you are already in the midst of a discussion with TMH. But I will just add that player for player comparison does not work in ODI. It will be the performance of your batting line up against my bowlers and my batting line up against your bowlers. A position by position comparison of our players cannot be the deciding factor to judge who will win the match.

 

[prath92]

The averages are only an indication that they would do well. Its hardly as if batsman would score only based on their averages. It just shows that they will. Virat Kohli's average is better in second innings only because he is super human in a chase (60). First innings he has 10 centuries and 14 half centuries. Gambhir in total has 11 centuries. So I find it funny that he isnt nailed on to do well here where Gambhir apparently is (not going by Gambhir's record anyways). Kirsten has a SR of 70 in the 90s. He has Hayden alongside him anyway who can do the major scoring and Kirsten scores dealing in ones and twos and boundaries taking less risks so that we dont lose wickets. He scores quickly once the need arises. This isnt T20, talented set batsmen knows how to pace their innings and Kirsten was the best in that in his days. The bowlers are very good of course but none of the batsmen are alien to pace bowling and does not have a tendency to be outwitted by fast bowling opposition easily. Especially considering that the ball will come on to the bat well.

Whereas you have Gambhir who tends to struggle against fast bowling opposition, Guptill who is the same unless he plays in those tiny NZ grounds and Duminy who is playing as a 6 when his record as a 6 is poor at best when he doesnt face the likes of Zimbabwe and Ireland.

The only issue you have with our batting is their fast scoring. Where Lamb is a very fast scorer. He has a SR of 76 (same as Steve Waugh's btw- though Lamb retired in 1992) and has a good record against fast bowlers (even the ones featured here). Chanderpaul is also a fast scorer once he gets his eye in and the fact is that he wouldnt be under any pressure due to Lamb,Kohli, Dhoni being fast scorers themselves. Kirsten if he plays for about 20-30 overs will easily up the ante and get runs very very quickly with ease and lesser risks (boundaries and frequent singles/2s/3s). Gettting him out from there would be extremely trying for any bowlers.Kirsten and Chanderpaul will never create a situation where the scoring rate has fallen below a level. Mainly because they themselves are sensible batsmen and play to the situation and they are surrounded by fast scorers. Whereas Guptill's and Gambhir's struggles will force Dilshan to attack more. Both AB and Waugh would have to take more risks as well and after them, Razzaq is the best bit and scoring 100s chasing against Albie Morkel Langelveldt and johan botha is not the same as having to score against a rampaging Roberts akram Flitoff and Bracken.

In reality I really doubt Flintoff would have to bat. Even if he comes out to bat, there would be a set batsman alongside him to help him anyway.

 

[crappycraperson]

Not another draw.. someone break the tie !

 

[prath92]

I won't argue with you prath since you are already in the midst of a discussion with TMH. But I will just add that player for player comparison does not work in ODI. It will be the performance of your batting line up against my bowlers and my batting line up against your bowlers. A position by position comparison of our players cannot be the deciding factor to judge who will win the match.

of course not. You are right but this is a batting paradise meaning the pace and bounce will enable the ball to come well onto the bat. In such pitches, batsmen have the advantage. Such pitches wont change much but batting second will put more pressure. Plus having batsmen weak in facing quality fast bowlers wont tend to do well facing Akram and Roberts first up. Of course AB and Waugh are good but the advantage to our side would be confidence and in confident times, the bowlers here will be just as dangerous. The advantage we have is that we have no target to achieve pressure so we could have our batsmen play the natural game. All are top performers with only a slight issue with scoring rate which I doubt will be an issue anyway wth the big hitters on our side

 

[harshad]

of course not. You are right but this is a batting paradise meaning the pace and bounce will enable the ball to come well onto the bat. In such pitches, batsmen have the advantage. Such pitches wont change much but batting second will put more pressure. Plus having batsmen weak in facing quality fast bowlers wont tend to do well facing Akram and Roberts first up. Of course AB and Waugh are good but the advantage to our side would be confidence and in confident times, the bowlers here will be just as dangerous. The advantage we have is that we have no target to achieve pressure so we could have our batsmen play the natural game. All are top performers with only a slight issue with scoring rate which I doubt will be an issue anyway wth the big hitters on our side

Disagree.

Batting second gives me the advantage on pacing my innings and targeting the bowlers that I want. I also know how I have to play in the middle overs and the death overs.

If you consider Dilshan (has more than 10000 runs in ODI) and Guptill as weak then you have Kirsten who will be facing McGrath. McGrath has taken Kirsten's wicket 7 times in 29 games. Kirsten's average is also only 32 while playing against McGrath and a SR of 59.4. Would you say at least in this game, Kirsten is a mediocre player?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Harshad has a solid team.

 

[harshad]

Ah well. Mani has finally decided.

Don't think anyone else is voting. Congrats @NM and @prath92

Thanks @The Man Himself. Sorry I wasn't much help in defending our team

 

[harshad]

Harshad has a solid team.

so feckin vote already!!!

 

[The Man Himself]

Harshad has a solid team.

Vote you mofo!

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

so feckin vote already!!!

I voted you turd.

 

[prath92]

Disagree.

Batting second gives me the advantage on pacing my innings and targeting the bowlers that I want. I also know how I have to play in the middle overs and the death overs.

If you consider Dilshan (has more than 10000 runs in ODI) and Guptill as weak then you have Kirsten who will be facing McGrath. McGrath has taken Kirsten's wicket 7 times in 29 games. Kirsten's average is also only 32 while playing against McGrath and a SR of 59.4. Would you say at least in this game, Kirsten is a mediocre player?

Its a tendency not a player vs player thing. I never took a flintoff vs dilshan or whatever. Its just their relative strength against fast bowling

Harshad has a solid team.

Yeah nothing to do with the tie eh? . Damn

 

[harshad]

He did

They are still leading by a vote

 

[harshad]

Its a tendency not a player vs player thing. I never took a flintoff vs dilshan or whatever. Its just their relative strength against fast bowling



Yeah nothing to do with the tie eh? . Damn

So nothing on Kirsten vs McGrath?

 

[prath92]

So nothing on Kirsten vs McGrath?

Kirsten first century came against Aus that had mcgrath where he remained not out end of the game. I dont think it was particularly some sort of weakness. THey played a 32 and he was the opener so he would have obviously taken his wicket multiple times.


@The Man Himself gave me nightmares last night. (He came in the form of Subramaniam Swamy as I dont know how he looks ) I couldnt concentrate on class much too today. Good game man. I would have expected a different reslt in any other pitch tbh. You guys had a hell of a team .

And I'm sorry if I said some stuff in the heat of the moment. No hard feelings i hope?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

You need to get in on sheep draft tactics and start tagging folk @harshad

 

[The Man Himself]

Kirsten first century came against Aus that had mcgrath where he remained not out end of the game. I dont think it was particularly some sort of weakness. THey played a 32 and he was the opener so he would have obviously taken his wicket multiple times.


@The Man Himself gave me nightmares last night. (He came in the form of Subramaniam Swamy as I dont know how he looks ) I couldnt concentrate on class much too today. Good game man. I would have expected a different reslt in any other pitch tbh. You guys had a hell of a team .

And I'm sorry if I said some stuff in the heat of the moment. No hard feelings i hope?

hehe no hard feelings. This match should have been little later in tournament, it was too early for QF. Good luck for future rounds.

 

[harshad]

You need to get in on sheep draft tactics and start tagging folk @harshad

just the second draft mate. Still getting the hang of it.

 

[Akshay]

Congrats @NM @prath92. Unfortunate @The Man Himself @harshad, very close game. Deserved a tiebreaker this one, tbh.

 

[harshad]

What hurt us more going into the reinforcements was the complete lack of opinions regarding our players. Our earlier match ended without any discussion and while we won that match we had not idea which of our players were rated and which weren't. This was one of the reasons we decided to go full muppet on the bowling side.

 

[Mani]

Ah well. Mani has finally decided.

Don't think anyone else is voting. Congrats @NM and @prath92

Thanks @The Man Himself. Sorry I wasn't much help in defending our team

As i said earlier this was close one and difficult to decide between both of you.
Hard luck @The Man Himself @harshad and Congrats @NM @parth92

 

[Akshay]

Btw, prath asked me before the match to run this game in my simulator so I shall share the results now the match is over.

In 10000 simulations, harshad's team averaged 214/7 while NM averaged 212/6. Harshad's team won 54.5% of the matches.

Roberts was the best bowler, but de Villiers the best batsman.

Well done harshad, you won the stats match at least #moralvictory.

 

[Mani]

What hurt us more going into the reinforcements was the complete lack of opinions regarding our players. Our earlier match ended without any discussion and while we won that match we had not idea which of our players were rated and which weren't. This was one of the reasons we decided to go full muppet on the bowling side.

You should have balanced it out with batsmen and bowler and you never discussed about your GOAT pick in match.

 

[Mani]

Btw, prath asked me before the match to run this game in my simulator so I shall share the results now the match is over.

In 1000 simulations, harshad's team averaged 214/7 while NM averaged 212/6. Harshad's team won 54.5% of the matches.

Roberts was the best bowler, but de Villiers the best batsman.

Well done harshad, you won the stats match at least #moralvictory.

YOu need to run those on other ended match as well.

 

[harshad]

Kirsten first century came against Aus that had mcgrath where he remained not out end of the game. I dont think it was particularly some sort of weakness. THey played a 32 and he was the opener so he would have obviously taken his wicket multiple times.


@The Man Himself gave me nightmares last night. (He came in the form of Subramaniam Swamy as I dont know how he looks ) I couldnt concentrate on class much too today. Good game man. I would have expected a different reslt in any other pitch tbh. You guys had a hell of a team .

And I'm sorry if I said some stuff in the heat of the moment. No hard feelings i hope?

No hard feelings. Though I will be taking your opinions on all things cricket with a pinch fist full of salt

 

[crappycraperson]

What hurt us more going into the reinforcements was the complete lack of opinions regarding our players. Our earlier match ended without any discussion and while we won that match we had not idea which of our players were rated and which weren't. This was one of the reasons we decided to go full muppet on the bowling side.

Yeah.. I am 100% sure that you win this if you have pointing in instead of Mcgrath.

 

[prath92]

No hard feelings. Though I will be taking your opinions on all things cricket with a pinch fist full of salt

That's fair enough . Besides You are a lawyer. So you know how these things work .

 

[NM]

Just came on. Great game. Hard luck @harshad @The Man Himself . Thanks @prath92 . now will read threaad