ODI Cricket Draft: Boycott vs Samid @ Capetown

Who will win the ODI?


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Welcome to Day 1 of the ODI snake draft round of 16. Some basic rules to consider while voting:

1) Judge players only on the basis of their ODI records.
2) Base your vote on which team you think is more likely to win an ODI between the two.
3) The ground for the match serves only as a representative of the overall playing conditions of its country.
4) The poll will remain open for 24 hours after creation.

Boycott has won the toss and has chosen to bat first at Cape Town.

Starting XIs:


Boycott: Ganguly, De Kock (WK), Gibbs, Ross Taylor, Damien Martyn, Saleem Malik, Ajit Agarkar, Brad Hogg, Malinga, Waqar Younis, Courtney Walsh

Samid: Gordon Greenidge, Brad Haddin (WK), Zaheer Abbas, Martin Crowe (C), Paul Collingwood, Michael Bevan, Thisara Perera, Abdul Qadir, Zaheer Khan, Morne Morkel, Joel Garner
 
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Team Boycott
TEAM BOYCOTT

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I will win because.......

Batting first I have the quality in my team to build a strong platform and then crucially accelerate the innings. My openers compliment well. Ganguly is known for his off side stroke-play and has the quality to pierce the gaps. In addition he has good footwork to attack bowlers be it charging down or waiting to play square. De Kock is a different beast. He's more 360 in that sense able to pummel bowlers to all areas. His strike rate of 91.66 demonstrates this and he's the fastest to ten centuries showing he cashes in. I expect both to thrive in the power-play and get us off to a fast start.

My middle order is formidable. Gibbs - an absolute gun who is the most complete batsman in my team. Again he's someone who is a match winner able to decimate attacks with ease as his 175 against Australia showed in that incredible run chase.

Taylor is a clean hitter, very pleasing on the eye and can perform an anchor role. Again his s/r in the 80s show he's a dynamic batsmen rotating the strike and can hit big when needed.

Martyn and Malik are two classical batsmen. Great technique and able to get vital scores to top off an innings. After that the likes of Agarkar, Hogg and even Malinga can give it a whack.

I believe my team are well capable of a score of 330+. Garner is a legendary bowler (probably the greatest) but we can negotiate him and target the others who while of good quality, they're nothing my batsmen haven't been up against before. On this pitch I am not sure how much effect the spinners will have.

My bowling attack IMO carries more match winners. Waqar and Malinga don't need introductions. They both can produce devastating spells to single handedly win matches. With the pressure of chasing to have that up our sleeves is a vital point. Walsh who admittingly has a high strike rate, also has a remarkable economy. As a fast bowler with great bounce he can eat up overs and turn on the pressure. Agarkar is another option who can seam and swing and late on comes into his own.

In a run chase it's about pressure. Bevan and Collingwood in the lower middle are fine batsmen but I suspect his lower order is going to struggle. Also I don't think his top order is as multi-dimensional as mine. Fine batsmen as they are, have they got the quality to change gears, especially in a run chase. Your call.
 
Team Samid

Batting


A destructive opening batsman, Gordon Greenidge (Avg 45.03 @ 64.92) ended up with 11 centuries and 31 fifties from his 128 matches.



"In full flight, he was a glorious sight, and impossible to contain. So awesome was his power, so complete his authority, that once a bombardment was under way not a ball could be bowled to him. In this mood he was like an orator suddenly aroused with passion, devouring opposition with a tongue-lashing which was vivid, inspired and devastating.[1]"

Between 1979 and 1989 when scores and averages were low, only 8 batsmen managed to average above 40. Amongst these were Greenidge and Zaheer Abbas (Avg 47.62 @ 84.80) who were averaging either side of 50. They made batting look ridiculously easy for their respective countries.

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Abbas may only have played 62 matches but he left a serious mark on the shorter format, racking up 20 scores of 50+ including 7 centuries. 5 of those centuries came at better than a run a ball. His hunger for runs was unquestionable, ending up with 50 000+ career runs, over 140 centuries and the nickname the Asian Bradman. He scored runs everywhere he went. Abbas was the first batsman to score 3 consecutive centuries in ODIs, a record only beaten last year by Sanga in the WC. Hitting 3 consecutive tons was an achievement in its self but what’s even more impressive is that in an era where any SR over 75 was revolutionary, these 3 tons came at strike rates of 137, 128, 114.

"When Zaheer was at the crease, the whole thing looked ridiculously simple. Upright and elegant, he was equally at ease off front foot or back, but such were his reflexes that he quite often switched from one to the other mid-shot. Stylish and graceful, he never seemed to hurry a stroke or offer a false one. At the top of a back-lift with more twirls than a cheerleader's baton he seemed to pause for a fraction of a second before bringing the bat crashing down at the last moment to send the ball scorching away to the boundary.[2]"

He broke into the international circuit as a teenager, was rated as the best young batsman in the world and retired as New Zealand's most prolific run scorer. Martin Crowe (At 4: 48.69 @ 77.98) is still seen as the benchmark for every talented NZ batsman that makes it to the international level. Crowe was a classic textbook batsman who seemed to have all the time in the world to play his shots. Perfect technique and balance.

Crowe captained NZ at the 1992 World Cup and inspired his team to a heroic semi final. In his 9 matches he scored 456 runs at an sensational average of 114 and rightfully became the first ever player to be named man of the tournament at a World Cup.



For the first few years of his career Paul Collingwood (At 5: 43.28 @ 81.50) was seen as a bits and pieces cricketer. It was only when he got a prolonged stint at no. 5 that he showed his true value to the team. That's why it is important to see the impact he had at no. 5 rather than his overall numbers which suffer because of the uncertainty surrounding his role in the team. At no. 5 Collingwood batted 80 times with a solid average of 43.28.

One of the finest fielders that has ever lived, Collingwood was an amazing athlete. He could adapt to any situation. And when England hadn't won an away trophy for nine years, Collingwood smashed two centuries to lead his team to a tri-series victory in Australia.

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Walking in at 6 would be the guy that introduced the word 'finisher' to the cricket dictionary. Michael Bevan (At 6: 56.71 @ 77.33) is arguably the greatest ODI specialist ever. Bevan never got out in crunch situations and always steered his team to victory. Time after time again he walked in when 3-4 wickets were down within the first 20 overs and you could put your house on Bevan staying at the crease, keeping his composure yet playing at a quick rate and salvaging a victory very late in the innings. His career average of 53 is world class and more than anything it shows how dedicated and determined Bevan really was.



Along with Greenidge I've got Brad Haddin (Avg 31.53 @ 84.24) opening the bating. A clean and effortless hitter, Haddin has 12 scores of 50+ including 2 centuries in under 50 games at the top of the order.



Walking in at 7 is Thisara Perera (Avg 17.32 @ 108.77). His SR is the 9th highest in the history of the game (excluding non test nations). And in his first match in South Africa he did this:
 
Bowling

Joel Garner (Avg 18.84 @ 3.09) is the best bowler to have played ODI cricket. His towering height was a massive advantage, combine that with his deadly accuracy meant Garner was impossible to deal with. He was a quick, dangerous beast.



Zaheer Khan (In SA 21.42 @ 4.57) will swing the new ball as well as reverse swing the old one. Zaheer's 21 wickets @ 18 inspired India to World Cup glory in 2011.





Morne Morkel (Avg 24.36 @ 4.93) is often overshadowed by Steyn but in ODI cricket Morkel has more wickets in less matches than his fellow countryman. His strike rate of 29.6 makes him the fourth most frequent wicket taker of the players eligible for the draft. Morkel's crazy pace and sharp bounce makes him a tricky customer to deal with, especially in home conditions.

Abdul Qadir (Avg 26.16 @ 4.06) would bowl six different deliveries every over. He had two googlies and a flipper to go with the standard delivery and batsmen would have no clue how to play it. According to Greame Gooch, Qadir is the finest spinner of all time, even finer than Shane Warne.



Thisara Perera (Avg 31.61 @ 5.73) is a decent 5th option with 6 hauls of 4+ wickets. In total he has over 100 wickets including a hat-trick in both of the shorter formats.



Paul Collingwood (Avg 38.68 @ 4.96) will be sharing the load with Perera. PC will be bowling his dibbly dobbly medium pacers along with all sorts of cutters and variations, making it hard for the batsmen to put away.
 
@Rado_N could you make this poll please:

Title: Who will win the ODI?

Option 1: @Boycott
Option 2: @Samid

Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thanks.
 
God I hate Saleem Malik.

I hate him even more now that I see he's there ahead of Thorpe and Fairbrother.
 
He could've single-handedly won the fecking World Cup whilst scoring two double centuries and taking 20 wickets along the way and I would still hate that weasel.
 
@Rado_N could you make this poll please:

Title: Who will win the ODI?

Option 1: @Boycott
Option 2: @Samid

Vote options: can only pick 1 choice, votes can be changed, votes are public.

Thanks.
Added, if it's OK can you not use the poll request to tag people, just makes it a bit fiddly copy and pasting into the poll menu on my phone. Cheers!
 
Boycott took the effort to paste his data on excel. Gets extra points for that.

Like the look of two teams and two very good bowling lineups with two very good spinners. Boycott edges it slightly for me I'll wait until tomorrow before I vote.
 
WTF, De Kock has 10 centuries in 57 games ? Are you serious ? :o
 
Zaheer Abbas was a flat track bully. How supportive of pace/bounce is the wicket here?

He played a lot of his first class career in England and averages 50 there in 18 ODIs. Just look at how he handled Roberts, Holding, Garner and Croft at Oval here. Pace was not an issue for him. Add to that a run a ball century in a match winning chase in Australia. Calling him a flat track bully is nonsense.
 
This match is a tough one to choose, both teams look equally matched to me.
 
Waqar, Malinga and Walsh is a scary attack in ODI's. Boycs shades the batting for me as well.

As much as I hate Malik, have to go with Boycott here.
 
Walsh individually is not a scary bowler in ODI imo and his stats are quite average but one can be sure that even in modern times, he would have had one of the better econ. Malinga will go for runs but is wicket taker and Waqar can do both. Compared to Samid's, Boycott's team has slightly more quality. Garner-Zak-Morne is good attack as well but collectively, not as good as Boyc's. Batting it is a tough call as Boycott fields the modern ones in his lineup while Samid has mixture of oldies and modern.

Given batting SR and bowling economy are such a big factors in ODIs, it is tough to compare across era.
 
Boycott only has batting till 6 which is a concern for me. Garner and Morkel can trouble them (Morkel being at home). Even Zaheer has a good record there. Qadir too can try and choke the runs in the middle overs.

While chasing, Samid's batting is slightly deeper, but that bowling of Waqar-Malinga can be frightening. Walsh didn't have such a good ODI career, so not sure how to judge his performance. Agarkar too has the knack for picking up wickets. Boycott basically has 3 bowlers capable of keeping any batsmen in the world quiet for the last 10 overs. I am just doubtful if he has anyone to stifle the flow of runs in the 20-40 over mark. Hogg and Malik are decent options, but I can see them struggling to slow down the flow of runs in those middle overs. Very close one this.
 
Samid has the best pacer in the draft but overall, the bowling attacks are quite even with Boycott just shading it. Like Boycott's batting more though.
 
Samid has the best pacer in the draft but overall, the bowling attacks are quite even with Boycott just shading it. Like Boycott's batting more though.
But he only has batting till 6, won't that be a problem ?
 
But he only has batting till 6, won't that be a problem ?
Agarkar and hogg can both bat a bit. Samid has an extra batter of sorts in Perera but those 2 combines should match his contribution
 
Maliks average away from home is horrible, is in the low 20s from what I recall, he is basically relying on his top five for runs.
 
Agarkar and hogg can both bat a bit. Samid has an extra batter of sorts in Perera but those 2 combines should match his contribution
I had no idea Perrera's average was less than 20, thought it would be mid 20s for some reason. Then yeah, it doesn't matter much.
 
Maliks average away from home is horrible, is in the low 20s from what I recall, he is basically relying on his top five for runs.
But that top 5 is runs guaranteed. Only Collingwood maybe the slight weak link of the top 5.
 
You know, I might have been a bit hasty. I'll come back to this when I have more time.
 
Also, are all these draft discussions going to have absent drafters? Pretty poor going so far.
 
Agarkar and hogg can both bat a bit. Samid has an extra batter of sorts in Perera but those 2 combines should match his contribution
There are quite a few Perera in modern SL team and I always confuse them. I think they all bat at quick pace and can bowl as well.
 
There are quite a few Perera in modern SL team and I always confuse them. I think they all bat at quick pace and can bowl as well.
True :lol:. This is the left hander who hits it long and is a decentish bowler I believe
 
Boycott bowlers are slightly better comparatively, for Samid, he got Bevan coming lower down the order and with support of M.Crowe and i think that he can chase it.
What happen to Samid's team sheet? i couldn't see it.
 
But that top 5 is runs guaranteed. Only Collingwood maybe the slight weak link of the top 5.

Yeah, the top five is class and should give a decent total to his bowlers to defend. Am not just sure if you can get away with five top class batsman in the modern ODI game.

That being said, samid's batting line isnt too deep either.
 
This is a close match. Both teams lacking a little in batting depth, but I rate Bevan as a finisher highly. Bowling attacks are quite even, but Garner bowling at the death tips this towards Samid for me.
 
Yeah, the top five is class and should give a decent total to his bowlers to defend. Am not just sure if you can get away with five top class batsman in the modern ODI game.

That being said, samid's batting line isnt too deep either.
Yeah. But Bevan chasing an Innings is hand in glove. Him and Crowe can do a solid job.
 
Waqar, Malinga and Walsh is a scary attack in ODI's. .

I though so too but then I saw that Samid has Garner, Morkel and Zaheer as well. Boycott only just about edges it. Batting wise I don't like either line ups. Why would you have DeKock open before Gibbs? Gibbs+Ganguly would be a very good opening pair. Bevan anchoring the lower order for Samid is also better than whatever Boycott has here. Not helped by the fact that I don't rate Ross Taylor much.
 
Absolutely loving how managers in both match ups so far have had a proper go at it.