NRL Grand Final

Jason F said:
You cant tell me you actually believe any team can win? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

On any given day for sure but there is only around 5 teams that can actually win the comp, Roosters, Bulldogs, Panthers, Broncos and the Dragons anyone else just wont win it, the Storm potentially but teams such as Souths, Eels, Raiders, Tigers, Manly just are not good enough....to suggest that they set their target at the start of the year to win the comp is pure fantasy and if you actually believe that you have problems my friend.

In my opinion Mini's try was fine, also in the opinion of many people I have talked to, to be totally honest your the only person to disagree, as for Finchs kick, yes im more than aware the ball only needs to touch the line but there was daylight between the line and the ball, in the end that didnt matter.

No one remembers the lower grade finals? maybe true but you were the one who said we had no talent comming through, just where were all these great Canberra kids? :rolleyes:

We have no trophies? sure about that?

Jersey Flegg: Roosters premiers
Premier league: Roosters premiers
Club Champions: Roosters
Minor premiers: Roosters
NRL: Runner up

By my count we got 4 of the 5 trophies on offer, how many did Canberra get? :rolleyes: the Bulldogs got 1 of them so to sayt we have nothing to prove how good we are just take a look at the Roosters trophy cabinet this season. How many premiership do Canberra have? What about the Bulldogs?

Whether we were premiers or not over the last 5 years we have been the most consistant, the facts prove it and no one even comes close. WE ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Roosters Year entered premiership - 1908
Raiders Year entered premiership - 1982
Raiders First Grade Titles 3 - 1989, 1990, 1994
Roosters First Grade Titles in the years the Raiders have been in the competition - (1) 2002.
Roosters are far from being the Greatest. The likes of The Dragons puts your club to shame. Being a consistent team in the finals isnt being a consistent winner. What that shows is that you guys are not capable of winning it when the stakes are at its highest and when everything is to play for...in short Roosters are bottlers.

This isnt Soccer. In Football every team believes they can win. If they dont then whats the point in playing ? There is only one thing to play for and if a team does not believe in the slightest that they cannot win it then they may as well pull themselves out of the competition until they feel the time is theirs. Rabbitohs aimed to make the top 8...they got the wooden spoon...but they still had something to play for but were not good enough this season. Next season they will once again aim for the top 8...not just sit back and accept that they are shit and hope for a miracle. In English soccer you have the Carling up, The Fa cup, The premiership, Champions league, Uefa Cup...football there is only 1 thing.

Just because a team may look shit doesnt mean they will never win it. Paramatta and Newcastle were in the final few years back and both didnt even make the top 8. Warriors were in the final also and they nearly got the wooden spoon. Roosters have been consistent but thats because of the financial power they have through Paker and not because of their Youth Setups. All those reserve teams that won..how many do you think will go all the way through into the first team ? I have several mates who play for those teams and the only reason they play for them is because its local. Most of them plan to move on to other clubs because they know the Roosters most likely will go out and buy their players.

Of course in your opinion mini's try was fine because your a Rooster. And again Finchs kick was fine because your such a blind cnut that you still cannot see it touching the line even when it was replayed several times. The commentators had their doubts but when the replay was shown they were quick to applaud the right decision which was that it touched the line and therefore was out on the full.

You can feel proud of the Roosters winning the trophies in the lower grades...personally i couldnt give a feck because i have never seen a lower grade match and no one really gives a flying feck because all they are interested in is the NRL which the Bulldogs won and not the Roosters.

Your bitter they lost. Bulldogs are the 2004 NRL Champions. Accept it. Its been a week after the Grand final and still your a miserable bitter cnut.
 
Beckham007 said:
LOL @ THE SCUM!
STILL 8 YEARS BEHIND THE PRIDE OF THE LEAGUE!

And here is a hot tip for ya...

Chris Flannery in the red and green next year !
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really ?

So Roosters lose Fitler and Flannery and gain Joel Monagham from Raiders...who else do they lose and gain ?

Raiders are losing alot of their players and bringing in old/past their time players...oh well it will be interesting.
 
YianniArvani said:
Roosters Year entered premiership - 1908
Raiders Year entered premiership - 1982
Raiders First Grade Titles 3 - 1989, 1990, 1994
Roosters First Grade Titles in the years the Raiders have been in the competition - (1) 2002.
Roosters are far from being the Greatest. The likes of The Dragons puts your club to shame. Being a consistent team in the finals isnt being a consistent winner. What that shows is that you guys are not capable of winning it when the stakes are at its highest and when everything is to play for...in short Roosters are bottlers.

This isnt Soccer. In Football every team believes they can win. If they dont then whats the point in playing ? There is only one thing to play for and if a team does not believe in the slightest that they cannot win it then they may as well pull themselves out of the competition until they feel the time is theirs. Rabbitohs aimed to make the top 8...they got the wooden spoon...but they still had something to play for but were not good enough this season. Next season they will once again aim for the top 8...not just sit back and accept that they are shit and hope for a miracle. In English soccer you have the Carling up, The Fa cup, The premiership, Champions league, Uefa Cup...football there is only 1 thing.

Just because a team may look shit doesnt mean they will never win it. Paramatta and Newcastle were in the final few years back and both didnt even make the top 8. Warriors were in the final also and they nearly got the wooden spoon. Roosters have been consistent but thats because of the financial power they have through Paker and not because of their Youth Setups. All those reserve teams that won..how many do you think will go all the way through into the first team ? I have several mates who play for those teams and the only reason they play for them is because its local. Most of them plan to move on to other clubs because they know the Roosters most likely will go out and buy their players.

Of course in your opinion mini's try was fine because your a Rooster. And again Finchs kick was fine because your such a blind cnut that you still cannot see it touching the line even when it was replayed several times. The commentators had their doubts but when the replay was shown they were quick to applaud the right decision which was that it touched the line and therefore was out on the full.

You can feel proud of the Roosters winning the trophies in the lower grades...personally i couldnt give a feck because i have never seen a lower grade match and no one really gives a flying feck because all they are interested in is the NRL which the Bulldogs won and not the Roosters.

Your bitter they lost. Bulldogs are the 2004 NRL Champions. Accept it. Its been a week after the Grand final and still your a miserable bitter cnut.
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Congrats on 2 counts Yianni, 1 on getting an NRL thread onto a second page and 2 on constructing one of the more non-sensical arguments i have seen!

When looking back to 1908 the achievements of the Dragons and the Bunnies are both tremendous feats, no question at all their achievements will both take some beating. Point is you cant deny the Roosters are the best side of the last 5 years, one 1st and 3nds plus a fourth is unmatchable. Being a consistant force in the finals is of course an acheivement, for some teams just making the finals is an achievement as as much as you like to say NRL isnt soccer there are comparisons everywhere, United in the champions league quaters for the last how many years? Sure we only won one of them so does that make us bottlers? On your argument yes but I would say it is still an achievement and is what seperates us from the Arsenals, Chelskis and whoever else you like.

"This isnt Soccer. In Football every team believes they can win. If they dont then whats the point in playing ?" so by this argument teams in soccer dont believe they can win? :rolleyes:

Sure teams always think they are a chance in a given game as I already said but they dont set out to win the comp, its just not realistic. Number one rule of goal setting, REALISM!

"Rabbitohs aimed to make the top 8...they got the wooden spoon...but they still had something to play for but were not good enough this season. Next season they will once again aim for the top 8" This is what I have been saying the whole time and you are saying doesnt happen, teams aim to finish at a certain point on the ladder that reflects a position that is an acheivement for them. EG Souths in the top 8.

I never said a team like Souths or Manly would never win it, in time I have no doubt they will but its a process, they will not win it next year but both will improve. The Roosters strength has little to do with Packer and more to do with Ricky Stuart and quality players at the club, everyone has the same salary cap, Monaghan left the Raiders to play with Ricky and in a better team as well as improving his rep chances, not for the money. So lets hear some of your mates names playing in the youth and reserve teams hey? So alot of them my not make the grade at the Roosters, some will and there is some exceptional talent in the Flegg teams, incidently how many youth player will make it through at United? Probably not comparable to the amount that will make it through at the Roosters.

Like I said Bulldog supporters said Minis try was fine not just me and I know alot of Bulldog supporters, in the end no it doesnt make any diff, the game is over and the Bulldogs will be recorded as champions I have never disputed that. Of course im proud of the Roosters winning junior grades, its stll an acheivement and if it were the Raiders you would be banging on about it, i only brought it up to reflect our "lack of players comming through" you brought up.

The more you argue the more you keep validating my point, any unbiased outsider can see that. By the way if Flannery becomes a Rabbit il move to the south pole and follow penguin ice hockey.
 
Jason F said:
Congrats on 2 counts Yianni, 1 on getting an NRL thread onto a second page and 2 on constructing one of the more non-sensical arguments i have seen!

-Dont be an ass, By saying Roosters are the best in the last 5 seasons is not a fact and is no argument. Its your own opinion in which your trying to claim is the truth.


When looking back to 1908 the achievements of the Dragons and the Bunnies are both tremendous feats, no question at all their achievements will both take some beating. Point is you cant deny the Roosters are the best side of the last 5 years, one 1st and 3nds plus a fourth is unmatchable. Being a consistant force in the finals is of course an acheivement, for some teams just making the finals is an achievement as as much as you like to say NRL isnt soccer there are comparisons everywhere, United in the champions league quaters for the last how many years? Sure we only won one of them so does that make us bottlers? On your argument yes but I would say it is still an achievement and is what seperates us from the Arsenals, Chelskis and whoever else you like.

-Theres no such thing as coming 2nd,3rd,4th every season for 4 years and winning it once and claiming your the best. Thats rubbish roosters talk and you know it. Which is another reason why i hate the club and the supporters because your all a bunch of clueless shit talkers. You all claim to be the best and yet you cant prove it. By saying your the best means feck all. For gods sakes you won it once in 4 attempts and then before that you won it 27 years before....how is this the greatest team ever ? What good is being consistent if your not going to win it.

You cant bring up the champions league because this involves the best of clubs from all leagues. The NRL has 1 league consisting of 15 clubs all playing in one tournament. making the QF in the NRL doesnt come close to making the QF in the CL. CL has alot more money involved and is more prestigious. You come away from the QF of the CL with more experience, money and fame. Losing in the QF of the NRL means just that. All that counts in the NRL is if you win the entire tournament.


"This isnt Soccer. In Football every team believes they can win. If they dont then whats the point in playing ?" so by this argument teams in soccer dont believe they can win? :rolleyes:

-Teams in soccer also have other tournaments to play for. Also in the league in soccer finishing in a particular place can result in the entrance of playing in another tournament such as Uefa cup or CL.


Sure teams always think they are a chance in a given game as I already said but they dont set out to win the comp, its just not realistic. Number one rule of goal setting, REALISM!

-Want to talk about Realism ? Roosters are not the best. In your world of the rooster it may be but outside of that bubble you will find teams stomping on Roosters when it really counts. That is not a great team.


"Rabbitohs aimed to make the top 8...they got the wooden spoon...but they still had something to play for but were not good enough this season. Next season they will once again aim for the top 8" This is what I have been saying the whole time and you are saying doesnt happen, teams aim to finish at a certain point on the ladder that reflects a position that is an acheivement for them. EG Souths in the top 8.

- The reason why they aim for the top 8 is because the next step/goal is to aim/fight to win the comp. Making the top 8 is like an acceptance and an allowance to be able to have the chance to play for the comp.


I never said a team like Souths or Manly would never win it, in time I have no doubt they will but its a process, they will not win it next year but both will improve. The Roosters strength has little to do with Packer and more to do with Ricky Stuart and quality players at the club, everyone has the same salary cap, Monaghan left the Raiders to play with Ricky and in a better team as well as improving his rep chances, not for the money. So lets hear some of your mates names playing in the youth and reserve teams hey? So alot of them my not make the grade at the Roosters, some will and there is some exceptional talent in the Flegg teams, incidently how many youth player will make it through at United? Probably not comparable to the amount that will make it through at the Roosters.

- You kidding me ? United have already beaten the number of youth players that have gone through the ranks of the roosters. Im not going to start spouting names on the net. I will say one surname which you should know. Paea. He was gonna play in the final but didnt. Not saying he plans to leave but He has several cousins in the youth set up atm. Good players.


Like I said Bulldog supporters said Minis try was fine not just me and I know alot of Bulldog supporters, in the end no it doesnt make any diff, the game is over and the Bulldogs will be recorded as champions I have never disputed that. Of course im proud of the Roosters winning junior grades, its stll an acheivement and if it were the Raiders you would be banging on about it, i only brought it up to reflect our "lack of players comming through" you brought up.

-I wouldnt even know if the Raiders were to win in the junior leagues because it doesnt interest me. You keep talking about how you know the supporters etc...so ? am i supposed to listen and believe what some lostcunt said...they are a minority. Just like you are in claiming the Roosters are the greatest. Everyteam has a number of players coming through the ranks...Its not Roosters strength though, they buy most of their players. they may have alot of junior teams who are good but it will be interesting to see how many actually do come through.


The more you argue the more you keep validating my point, any unbiased outsider can see that. By the way if Flannery becomes a Rabbit il move to the south pole and follow penguin ice hockey.

- Claiming Roosters are the greatest is very biased.
My argument is Roosters are not all what you make them out to be. Your a typical rooster supporter. Claiming their team is the greatest. So typical. I wonder how much of a supporter you really are ? do you go out your way all the time to support them ?
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Christ you must be the worst constructer of an argument iv ever come across! You have no idea at all do you? :lol: :lol:

Ok since you dont want to admit the best team of the last five years is the Roosters answer this, who has been the best team in the NRL over the last five years?

I never said the Roosters were the best team ever, I wouldnt claim something the facts dont support unlike yourself, we are not the best team ever, 5 years sure and in in parts of history definitely but not ever.

By the way if you want clueless, take a good long hard look at yourself, you cant construct an argument, have very little idea of the actual facts, make non-sensical points and even agree with me only to argue about it!

Iv am over proving the Roosters have been the best for the last 5 years, GF 4/5 attempts, cold hard facts. No one comes close to that record, dispute it all you want, you tell me who has been the best team in the last 5 years and give me some evidence of it.

You keep trying to split soccer and rugby league and the two situations when its clear it cant be done, you are missing the point! Man Utd being in the quaterfinals ever year displays relative CONSISTANCY, regardless who its against they are consistantly at that level, the same goes for the Roosters who are consistantly top level finalists RELATIVE to their situation. By applying your reasoning Man Utd are bottlers beciase we only won the CL once, dont give me some bulsshit about soccer and league being different its identical situations. On the same reasoning, you are implying that the fact that United have been in the quaterfinals for so many years is not an achievement?

So soccer teams have other things to play for, so they just dont care if they get beaten in some tournaments? Your an idiot, no team ever likes to lose whether or not they have something else to play for.

I will grant you teams want to make the top 8 as it gives them a chance to fight for the comp but a team like Souths dont set goals to win the comp, to make the top 8 is a successful year and that is their REALISTIC goal.

United have a good track record of bringing youth players through, but people forget that those United players were bought from somewhere, the Roosters players have been developed at the club, so no players have made it through at the Roosters? Mini, Crossy, Byrne, Hodges, Ricketson, Cayless, Fitzgibbon, Webb, Crocker, Flannery? Sure they came from somewhere else in some cases but they were no bodies before, they developed and grew up at the club.

" Claiming Roosters are the greatest is very biased"
I have only siad best over the last 5 years which the facts support and I believe the best in the comp although the Bulldogs deservedly on the day won the crown.

" My argument is Roosters are not all what you make them out to be."
This is an argument you have yet to show any evidence, I claim they are the best over the last 5 years, you cant disprive that.

"So typical. I wonder how much of a supporter you really are ? do you go out your way all the time to support them ?"

Actually yes and im a season ticketholder, house drapped in Roosters colours and my car STILL has all its decorations on it, now I guess your a Raiders season ticketholder too arent you??
 
What makes you so sure that your arguments are anything to go by ? Your evidence is always based on "your friends" or "talking to other supporters" ... very very poor, like im going to listen to what some random says...

The best teams in the last 5 years:

2000: Broncos
2001: Newcastle
2002: Roosters
2003: Panthers
2004: Bulldogs

No such thing as Roosters being the best in the last 5 years. Why not go back 10 years or 20 ? Why only talk about Roosters in the last 5 years because its suits you and because they made the grand final 4 times in a row and LOST 3 of them...I never knew there was a trophy for making a Grand Final and losing...or a record for consistency...Your bringing up a fact which only Rooster fans dwell upon because of their bitterness. Its a way to comfort yourselves for bottling it.

Manutd making the CL finals is an achievement because like i said which you seem to have missed, brings in more money and fame. Also do you think for a second that united are satisfied with JUST making the last 8 ? They want to win it everytime. Same with league. The NRL teams aim to make the top 8 so they can get a chance to win. If they do not win the premiership, since there can only be one winner and none of this being the most consistent club award handed out by roosters fans to the roosters, then they look at where they went wrong and work on it the next season. Every team is capable of winning it. No team begins a season and does not believe they can win. You claim realistically certain teams have zero chance...well realistically every team has the chance to make the top 8 and once that is achieved they then have a 1 in 8 chance to win.

"United have a good track record of bringing youth players through, but people forget that those United players were bought from somewhere, the Roosters players have been developed at the club, so no players have made it through at the Roosters? Mini, Crossy, Byrne, Hodges, Ricketson, Cayless, Fitzgibbon, Webb, Crocker, Flannery? Sure they came from somewhere else in some cases but they were no bodies before, they developed and grew up at the club."

I dont understand this your contradicting yourself. You think the players at Roosters didnt play in other clubs ? How do you think united youth players come about ? The same way any teams youth players come about in any sport. Through schools, little junior clubs, trialing for the club. Then you say they are no bodies...of course they are no bodies, Uniteds class of 92...were they world class before they made their debuts in the first team ? no..they were no bodies that turned into the next big thing. What you said there was the stupidest thing you have said (actually second thing, since you invented your own little award for the roosters)

Im a Dragons season ticket holder. I live in the shire so its easier to watch Dragons play since i like them but my love is always with the Raiders. I cant be travelling to Canberra every game.

I bet your one of those aussie hobos...your house is drapped in roosters colours...thats poor...bomb of a house you must have.
 
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