Nordic Ghost Yeti (Scandi Carroll) | Haaland at City

He’s as ordinary as most strikers when you have no chances laid on a plate for you.
And delivers unprecedented numbers when playing in a team that isn't completely dysfunctional. Whether that is Salzburg, Dortmund, Norway or in a different system from all of the above far from tailor made for him at City.

Criticism is more than fair, but that got to count for something right?
 
Hard to score when all City do is play like hot garbage. The entire team is stinking up the place beautifully
 
He’s just a lethal finisher, which is still a great thing to be. Lukaku being mentioned is funny because, without checking stats, my impression is he wasted way more big chances and generally had a good but not great conversion rate. A better comparison is maybe Inzaghi, who wasn’t as good an all around player as other strikers in his generation but was also lethal.
I wouldn't compare him to these either. He's unique in that I can't think of any other player whose game is built on avoiding participation and touching the ball as little as possible except for finishes, the way Haaland plays.

Inzaghi used to be the template for goalhanging but Haaland has taken it to a different level.
 
And delivers unprecedented numbers when playing in a team that isn't completely dysfunctional. Whether that is Salzburg, Dortmund, Norway or in a different system from all of the above far from tailor made for him at City.

Criticism is more than fair, but that got to count for something right?

Not for city. You aren't a better team for having goals concentrated around one player who otherwise does nothing. His own stats may hold up at this level, but his net contribution to the team doesn't.
 
And delivers unprecedented numbers when playing in a team that isn't completely dysfunctional. Whether that is Salzburg, Dortmund, Norway or in a different system from all of the above far from tailor made for him at City.

Criticism is more than fair, but that got to count for something right?
Yes it does, he’s a great goal scorer but when he’s being fed scraps he’s not a great footballer.
 
I wouldn't compare him to these either. He's unique in that I can't think of any other player whose game is built on avoiding participation and touching the ball as little as possible except for finishes, the way Haaland plays.

Inzaghi used to be the template for goalhanging but Haaland has taken it to a different level.
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Not for city. You aren't a better team for having goals concentrated around one player who otherwise does nothing. His own stats may hold up at this level, but his net contribution to the team doesn't.
A big part of this is that the players behind him have gradually got worse in terms of end-product, or creating chances. Either because of age, injuries, form or decline. I get the point that goals have been concentrated around him, but there just isn't much goals in this team anymore unless we get Foden back into form of last season, or Gundogan and KdB to magically get back to where they were two years ago physically. Our attack as a collective has prospered around him several times since he joined, but until this dip in form he was the only one delivering. Now no one is.
 
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He is not like Lukaku or Inzaghi. Anyway neither him or Mbappé are having a good few months which means people are writing obituaries for their career and all sorts of hot takes on their abilities when in all likelihood it’s just a blip over a 10-15 year period of excellence.
 
His lack of work rate and running for the side is really disappointing. No pressure, not marking or moving with his team and not even really challenging for anything.

He is a big, strong, athletic lad, he should be doing more.
 
I absolutely love how shit they’ve gone since the stay humble comment. Brought right down to earth the big headed cnts
 
His lack of work rate and running for the side is really disappointing. No pressure, not marking or moving with his team and not even really challenging for anything.

He is a big, strong, athletic lad, he should be doing more.
It is most likely instructions to avoid muscle injuries since he is the only forward in the squad we can rely on to score goals. Which works against itself because it is clearly making him less sharp
 
He’s just a lethal finisher, which is still a great thing to be. Lukaku being mentioned is funny because, without checking stats, my impression is he wasted way more big chances and generally had a good but not great conversion rate. A better comparison is maybe Inzaghi, who wasn’t as good an all around player as other strikers in his generation but was also lethal.

The rest of Haaland’s game is not that impressive. In a team producing a lot of chances for him, he’ll shine, but I’d take someone like Rooney over him every day of the week. He could finish, maybe at a slightly lower rate, but he could drop back and contribute to general play and literally drag his team up the pitch.
He isn't. He's average in terms of goals vs xG. You might argue he's world class in getting at the end of those chances, but you never know that factor power vs the team actually providing him the chances.
He was lethal in his first season with City. Last season he was average or even worse if I recall correctly. Hojlund definitely had better conversion ratio than EH.
 
He was nonexistent today. His team didn't play well either, but I don't remember him making himself an option.
 
This is how he'd look playing for us, and exactly why we should give Hojlund more of a chance with decent players around him.
Where has this equivalence sprouted wings from? I’m seeing it frequently and it doesn’t make sense.

Håland always makes the right runs to score and is always where he should be; he’s the epitome of what a striker should be, in the “getting on the end of things” sense. Højlund doesn’t share those traits, so it’s strange how they keep getting paired when they aren’t similar in thought or action.
 
Where has this equivalence sprouted wings from? I’m seeing it frequently and it doesn’t make sense.

Håland always makes the right runs to score and is always where he should be; he’s the epitome of what a striker should be, in the “getting on the end of things” sense. Højlund doesn’t share those traits, so it’s strange how they keep getting paired when they aren’t similar in thought or action.

Didn't you know? Any fair weather forward can score 108 goals in 122 appearances for his club, it's just a matter of service. It makes one wonder why goal-getters have always been the highest earners.
 
Interesting how he's gone from unstoppable in the last few seasons, to being made to look like a passenger recently.

I get that he's not getting his usual service as the entire team has been shite - but have teams also figured out how to counter him as well?
 
Interesting how he's gone from unstoppable in the last few seasons, to being made to look like a passenger recently.

I get that he's not getting his usual service as the entire team has been shite - but have teams also figured out how to counter him as well?
For me, he looks nothing like as sharp as he used to. He looked like a freak of a hybrid in his first season. He doesn’t look like that anymore.
 
Interesting how he's gone from unstoppable in the last few seasons, to being made to look like a passenger recently.

I get that he's not getting his usual service as the entire team has been shite - but have teams also figured out how to counter him as well?

Teams generally pack both CBs around him, that seems to be effective.

And City rarely gets to utilize Haalands best asset which is his outrageous speed and run behind the defense on the counter.

Haaland in Ole Ball would be a Unreal player. Until teams start to man mark him
 
I bit the bullet a few weeks ago and took him out of my fantasy team for the first time in 2 seasons. I thought I might end up regretting this but not so far.
Be careful, he might have gone onto a scoring frenzy. Don't tempt the gods.
 
Teams generally pack both CBs around him, that seems to be effective.

And City rarely gets to utilize Haalands best asset which is his outrageous speed and run behind the defense on the counter.

Haaland in Ole Ball would be a Unreal player. Until teams start to man mark him
I wrote that when City just started to lose, and I got attacked for it.

I said Haaland makes teams more 1 dimensional and other teams have adapted to him by restricting him physically.

I was told I'm talking nonsense and never watch them.
 
We love to ridicule Lukaku in this forum, but there are some parts of his game that are better than Haaland's, such as passing technique and willingness to stretch opponent defence.

I was surprised that Guardiola is willing to accommodate Haaland into his system. Even better players than him (Ibrahimovic and Eto'o) didn't have that luxury. Maybe only because he was the only good striker in the market that justifies his price tag.
We don't know what has happened behind the scenes though.

I think benching him and adding another dangerous midfielder instead would work better.
 
Wasn't that long ago Pep said that he couldn't be stopped, even with a gun.

The absolute arrogance is just unreal. Long may this downfall continue.
 
I wrote that when City just started to lose, and I got attacked for it.

I said Haaland makes teams more 1 dimensional and other teams have adapted to him by restricting him physically.

I was told I'm talking nonsense and never watch them.
The thing is it isn't Haaland who does this. The effect you observe seems to exist at City, but I've never seen it to this extent happening in Dortmund. And looking at the individual quality he stood out more there than at City.

At the moment it looks as if there is no one like Sancho in that Dortmund team in City's team who can create something utilizing the space Haaland creates.
 
The thing is it isn't Haaland who does this. The effect you observe seems to exist at City, but I've never seen it to this extent happening in Dortmund. And looking at the individual quality he stood out more there than at City.

At the moment it looks as if there is no one like Sancho in that Dortmund team in City's team who can create something utilizing the space Haaland creates.
Dortmund didn't play in the PL, it's not close to a fair comparison. Teams have adapted to him, we all play the same way against him now.
 
Dortmund didn't play in the PL, it's not close to a fair comparison. Teams have adapted to him, we all play the same way against him now.
It's not exactly rocket science and it's quite obvious which disadvantages that approach to defend him has. It's also not new.

The point is, City isn't exploiting that but they should have the quality to do that. While you are right that Dortmund doesn't play in the PL we still can compare the tactical approaches. And it's just baffling that a tactical moron like Terzic is able to utilize Haaland's strength and weaknesses well Pep seems to have lost the plot.
 
It's not exactly rocket science and it's quite obvious which disadvantages that approach to defend him has. It's also not new.

The point is, City isn't exploiting that but they should have the quality to do that. While you are right that Dortmund doesn't play in the PL we still can compare the tactical approaches. And it's just baffling that a tactical moron like Terzic is able to utilize Haaland's strength and weaknesses well Pep seems to have lost the plot.
I am not sure how you utilise him better tbh. Tight defending stops him and any dribbling into the box. So unless they get better players at playing in tight spaces, or better at distance shooting then I'm not sure what they should do.

They lack pace to play like RM for example.
 
I am not sure how you utilise him better tbh. Tight defending stops him and any dribbling into the box. So unless they get better players at playing in tight spaces, or better at distance shooting then I'm not sure what they should do.

They lack pace to play like RM for example.
Tight defending of Haaland, often with two players, does open up spaces. And yes maybe they really lack the players to utilize that.
 
Tight defending of Haaland, often with two players, does open up spaces. And yes maybe they really lack the players to utilize that.
That is true but it is not like they are attached to him, they drift from him and focus on other threats. It is just defending tight in the box stops all City attacking, and Haaland adds nothing.
 
He’s like the most extreme specialist ever. He’s incredible at one specific thing but almost useless at everything else. Right up there as one of the best finishers ever but without service he’s a bump on a log and like playing with 10 men.

Bit like late stage CR7.