A lot more media criticism coming his way now. Interesting to see how he deals with it
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If you click on these links and order, you probably get put on some sort of Interpol list... and you should
He’s basically a shite trezeguet.
Well obviously not
Read my posts you’ll see I don’t understand why people compare him to them ….he’s a totally different player to the above, ie Haaland is solely a goal scorer.
Trezeguet remains one of my favorite players from the early 2000s.
He and Haaland could only aspire to reach the "more than goals" impact a legend like Nunez provides though.
He broke ancient scoring records in his 1st season in the pl, the most competitive league in the world and won the treble with his team. His limitations are showing but most strikers are only getting started at 23. He's never going to be silky, but he's made a mark already.
That's a bit drastic, however an intake list to the loony bin would be justified
How so? Both have been pretty good overall this season. Darwin has scored 11 and assisted 11 while rescuing Liverpool in some matches too. They've been close to winning the league partially because of him. Started out bad, but hasn't been bad for a long time. Only big thing to fault him for is probably not scoring against us, if that's what separates them from a league title in the end.
Both will be great assets long term too if you ask me.
@ROFLUTION I was referring to City players so Matheus Nunez.
I'll never click those links but I was expecting much worse
Alright Interpol, back off
We’re discussing haaland here. Not Nunez/messi/batistuta/my dad/*enter random player name here. Haaland. And his similarity to imo an equally adept box-hogger and more adept one-touch finisher in Trezeguet.
The kind of player who when he’s not allowed a single opening by opposition defenders, is basically walking around the six yard box for 90mins looking pretty. Or not, in haaland’s case.
And you're basically just a shit troll. Good to see you've emerged from hiding under your bridge for the past 3 weeks after embarrassing yourself with the below post.
... at this level of the competition?
He was bad literally last weekend, in a huge game where Liverpool desperately needed him to perform. See also every game they’ve played against potential title contenders.
The Champions League?... at this level of the competition?
It's a genuine question - was he "shredding" the CL in quarters/semi with Dortmund? I don't remember them getting very far when he was in the team but I might be mistaken.
Can't say I've watched a tremendous amount of City but Gvardiol has looked pretty poor most times I've seen him.
Six goals in six games in the Champions League knock-outs for Dortmund. Didn't score in the two quarter-final games he played in for them though - both against Man City.
Some of the comparisons here are extremely generous. Aguero, as in “Aguerrroooooooooooo” and Henry? Both those players scored in massive games, and Henry, more often than not, played superbly in them.
Haaland doesn’t score against Liverpool or Arsenal or Madrid. He barely scores and doesn’t play well regularly against the big teams in any competition.
He is nullified by strong, athletic defenders, something the likes of Henry rarely was.
He needs to develop his all round game so he is a handful even when his attacking threat is curbed. The other thread has people pointing out Kane’s elbow, but those sorts of things make a difference. Gabriel completely dominated Haaland at the Etihad, but he thought twice about going tight on Kane again. Kane is a far superior footballer and he is tougher too.
Haaland doesn’t score against Liverpool or Arsenal or Madrid. He barely scores and doesn’t play well regularly against the big teams in any competition.
He is nullified by strong, athletic defenders, something the likes of Henry rarely was.
He needs to develop his all round game so he is a handful even when his attacking threat is curbed. The other thread has people pointing out Kane’s elbow, but those sorts of things make a difference. Gabriel completely dominated Haaland at the Etihad, but he thought twice about going tight on Kane again. Kane is a far superior footballer and he is tougher too.
Ah.
19/20 R16 2 goals vs PSG
20/21 R16 4 goals vs Sevilla, QF 0G(1A) vs City
21/22 missed 3 group games to injury, BvB went out at group stage. Missed both EL games, BvB went out to Rangers
22/23 R 16 5 goald vs Leipizg, QF 2G 1A vs Bayern, SF and Final nothing
So that's 6 goals and 1 assist in 6 KO games for BvB, scoring in 3 games. Not a bad return at all.
It's really only this season where games like yesterday can be held against him(because of how frequent it's been)
Well no, last season where he was fantomatic in the SF and Final are also examples of this - why would you ignore them? I don't particularly think the above is a massive counter argument to the point being made. It's also in addition to other things (big league games for example). But I guess you have your mind made up on this, so no point pushing on too much I would imagine
He scored against Liverpool this season. He scored against Arsenal last season. He scored on Bayern Munich too last season
Seriously
Jokes > facts
The point being....he doesn't make a difference in every big game? Or what? His record in big games isn't poor. It's not exceptional either. Though I do agree for a player like him, he needs to do better
I mean, what would those be? He has scored on every PL team he has faced? He scored on Arsenal last season in a must win game for the title race. Against spurs, against United, against Newcastle, etc, etc, etc.
That's what I think too, and haven't been saying anything else!
I think that everything is mixed up.
He is a great goalscorer, the media will push the "best player in the world" if he is on a great scoring season, while maybe "the player with the best season" was always more suited, in any case no matter the way we put it, it's always silly and a very grey area.
It's a sign of the times, since the CR vs Messi stuff was pushed to the limits with the constant agenda of CL's titles, stats and such, this "levelled" the plain ground, now we are taking it a step further.
Football as a whole has become some how americanized with constant stats, numbers and such, it looks like won't change at least in the near future. At the end of the day not being extremely skill, talented or involved, doesn't make him a complete and useful dork, he actually is an specialist in a very much needed area.
In some way reminds me of an old trend when I was kid in the hood, the bricklayer as a keeper or as a 9, in order to not bother the rest.
The thing is that some kids become exceptional keepers and goalscorers that become extremely useful. Hallaand is one of those, that yes in some games, he can bother if he doesn't contribute or do not finsih his chances, but quite frankly till now in his carreer as a whole has been the other way around.
He is 23, he has time to develope more tools and become a better player (or not, but time is on his side).
He is facing nowadays sthg. that he ain't used to, being in the extreme spotlight.
Every play would be scrutinized if goals does not come and if he is not delivering in great form (in his case goals) in big matches,etc...the criticism would come and at some point it will become silly (the other way around when goals sometimes come with quite a quote of luck, etc, if those come frequently, nobody would care or analyse it much, but sometimes show issues in the game of players).
PD: In the meantime Henry, Aguero, and cia also receive some extreme shots...why on hell is always so hard to just be to the very least measured even if we don't agree with other people views.
He is a great goalscorer, the media will push the "best player in the world" if he is on a great scoring season, while maybe "the player with the best season" was always more suited, in any case no matter the way we put it, it's always silly and a very grey area.
It's a sign of the times, since the CR vs Messi stuff was pushed to the limits with the constant agenda of CL's titles, stats and such, this "levelled" the plain ground, now we are taking it a step further.
Football as a whole has become some how americanized with constant stats, numbers and such, it looks like won't change at least in the near future. At the end of the day not being extremely skill, talented or involved, doesn't make him a complete and useful dork, he actually is an specialist in a very much needed area.
In some way reminds me of an old trend when I was kid in the hood, the bricklayer as a keeper or as a 9, in order to not bother the rest.
The thing is that some kids become exceptional keepers and goalscorers that become extremely useful. Hallaand is one of those, that yes in some games, he can bother if he doesn't contribute or do not finsih his chances, but quite frankly till now in his carreer as a whole has been the other way around.
He is 23, he has time to develope more tools and become a better player (or not, but time is on his side).
He is facing nowadays sthg. that he ain't used to, being in the extreme spotlight.
Every play would be scrutinized if goals does not come and if he is not delivering in great form (in his case goals) in big matches,etc...the criticism would come and at some point it will become silly (the other way around when goals sometimes come with quite a quote of luck, etc, if those come frequently, nobody would care or analyse it much, but sometimes show issues in the game of players).
PD: In the meantime Henry, Aguero, and cia also receive some extreme shots...why on hell is always so hard to just be to the very least measured even if we don't agree with other people views.
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Because this is the way of the world now, Netizen! Gots to pick a side and defend it to yer dying breath! Yessir!
Yeap, but there is always space to be more calm or even if extreme, to just be sincere and not like sthg or someone just "because". I've shyte on Piojo Lopez my whole life as a punching doll, but I'm sincere, the poor lad it's just a symbol of many things I hated from that period and it's quite an irrational thing by me.
There was always hyperbole, that isn’t new. He’s a superb finisher, we all know that.
He is also rubbish at all sorts of other aspects of the game involving general play, which is why he’s often a passenger when deprived of service by better centre backs.
No idea why that overall view is so controversial. He’s a throwback to an old fashioned no 9 who lived or died by his finishing skills around the box and wasn’t expected to do much else.
The reason why it’s drawing so much attention is that those types of strikers have basically become extinct in the modern game.
He is also rubbish at all sorts of other aspects of the game involving general play, which is why he’s often a passenger when deprived of service by better centre backs.
No idea why that overall view is so controversial. He’s a throwback to an old fashioned no 9 who lived or died by his finishing skills around the box and wasn’t expected to do much else.
The reason why it’s drawing so much attention is that those types of strikers have basically become extinct in the modern game.
Not really the argument. A better question is how many top clubs would take him over Kane for the next 3 years. I suspect not many of them. Not condemnation.
He’s a world class forward and will score shitloads of goals across his career. But it’s undeniable that he’s moving into flat track bully territory over the past year and he needs to offer more in games that he’s not scoring.
But this is just common sense. The Ballon D'Or is given to the best performing player in a certain season. If it was supposed to go to the best player in the world, then Messi should have one for every season from 08-09 to maybe last season.
So if you (not you Fobal, people/bots in general) get pissed at Haaland being called "the best player in the world", people are referring to form and actual performances for that period.
First of all, we need to stop blaming us Americans for the intrusion of stats into every aspect of life, including sports
Second, none of us can watch every game, unless you are literally jobless. Statistics are not the complete picture (nothing is the complete picture, not even the eye test), but it does provide a consistent framework for analysis and comparison, even if it's not perfect. It's certainly better than people saying players didn't score against opponents when they did score against them...
And statistics won't cause players to be underappreciated. Any statistical framework that doesn't show Maradona was excellent in his day is fatally flawed. However what statistics does do is rubbish a lot of the biases we carry into watching football, which is why it rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
And this is why this conversation is so interesting. It's started by Haaland but it's not really about Haaland. It's about how fans and pundits and clubs value players with certain attributes.
See, and that's the issue; we're using our impression of football as kids in the park, or our preferences as fans, to gauge what positions and roles are valuable to top tier professional clubs who have millions of dollars on the line. Teams don't care about a lot of the shit we speak about. So why project our stuff on the needs of a top team like City, in terms of what is needed from their striker (or wingers)?
I don't think players care as much as we like to think. And any criticism they get from pundits and fans is completely overshadowed by what happens in the club training sessions.
That's the thing. Of course the criticism on Henry and Aguero is extreme and silly. It's nothing Haaland hasn't seen on here so maybe let's just tone it down across the board?
They care, they do, simply because they are humans. They cannot avoid the whole Social Media, Pundits overload and crap from these days, it's impossible to escape from that and at some point it gets in your everyday activity or profession. It's just too much.
Yep. The Hugo Sanchez vs Maradona argument is just that, inane. Any statistical analysis of Maradona showed him to be the game breaking outlier that he was. Statistical analysis of Messi basically came down to "yeah, this guy is so good we can't come up with models that quantify it"
The stats analysts laughed at the Messi vs Cristiano comparison. For them Cristiano was closer to Emile Heskey than he was to Messi*
*it's an exaggeration, yes
People saying that Haaland is just about stats, if you saw 5 average games of Haaland in his career for the first time and had no idea of his previous record, you'd think 'that striker is a freak of nature, how can he be so fast, quick and great at shooting?'. The eye test he looks like he would be a top striker. It's not some major conspiracy or sign of the teams that he's considered among the best players in the world.
That's a bit of a nonsense point, elbowing someone in the face is not anything anyone should be aiming for, Kane could have been sent off. Messi never needed to elbow a defender in the face to show he was a good player and Haaland has already won a lot more than Kane has ever done.
Also they're completely different games. That game this season was the cagiest game in years (well since the last time Arteta and Guardiola played against each other) and happened all the time in previous eras. There are dozens of those sorts of games involving great players where defences were on top, you move on it's not particularly representative of anything. Also Haaland scored in both games against Arsenal last season as City won the league.
That's a bit of a nonsense point, elbowing someone in the face is not anything anyone should be aiming for, Kane could have been sent off. Messi never needed to elbow a defender in the face to show he was a good player and Haaland has already won a lot more than Kane has ever done.
Also they're completely different games. That game this season was the cagiest game in years (well since the last time Arteta and Guardiola played against each other) and happened all the time in previous eras. There are dozens of those sorts of games involving great players where defences were on top, you move on it's not particularly representative of anything. Also Haaland scored in both games against Arsenal last season as City won the league.
Again, big games, regularly, not playing well. All massive and important points.
Being physical and using your size to create space and opportunity is a vital part of being a number 9. For his size, he doesn’t use it effectively enough. It’s not nonsense. It’s part of the game as an effective 9. He isn’t good enough to play like Messi or any sort of hybrid. He is a 9.
You can’t be serious ?
I‘ve always been a big fan of Kane and defended him on the Caf on numerous occasions. However, I wouldn't put him over Haaland. Not including what Haaland has already won, he’s probably already smashed most of Kane’s scoring records.
Point of interest, would you like to name a few clubs you think would not want Haaland ?
Using your size isn't elbowing someone in the face. Anyone can elbow someone in the face and they will be lucky to avoid red. And there are countless examples of Haaland using his strength to score goals in a legitimate way.