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Nothing will come out of this as some people are just too powerful to ever bring down. My guess would be that some ‘low level politicians’ will take the fall and the bigwigs like Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew escape scott free even though everyone knows they are balls deep in this scandal.
 
Adisa said:
I am not one for conspiracies but this is impossible to ignore.
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I think they’re being pretty shrewd with it too. They’re giving just enough information to hint that a bit of a conspiracy exists - but not the one everyone thinks it is.

The real conspiracy here is not that the CCTV was switched off / broken / lost but that these guards were woefully inexperienced and overworked and should have been relieved before this happened. Instead it lead to gross negligence and a high profile prisoner having the time and means to kill himself.

That seems to be how they’re playing it and in return for “admitting” this, the two stooges get off lightly.
 
Could someone explain the legal implications for Randy Andy? Will he have to go to court and testify or can he refuse to and if he refuses what are likely consequences for that? Surprised there is not much talk about this development. Surely if he’s found guilty in civil court then he’s fecked, like more fecked than he is already. Everyone already thinks he’s a nonce but if it gets proven in court, it would be a monumental thing, surely?
 
Paxi said:
Could someone explain the legal implications for Randy Andy? Will he have to go to court and testify or can he refuse to and if he refuses what are likely consequences for that? Surprised there is not much talk about this development. Surely if he’s found guilty in civil court then he’s fecked, like more fecked than he is already. Everyone already thinks he’s a nonce but if it gets proven in court, it would be a monumental thing, surely?
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Considering the wife of a US diplomat (who is nowhere near as "important" as a Royal) literally got away with murder in the UK the chances of Andy stepping foot on American soil is around 0%.
 
yumtum said:
Considering the wife of a US diplomat (who is nowhere near as "important" as a Royal) literally got away with murder in the UK the chances of Andy stepping foot on American soil is around 0%.
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Does he have diplomatic immunity then?
 
Paxi said:
Does he have diplomatic immunity then?
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No, the Queen does but he doesn't. Civil cases are not grounds for extradition, though. If it became a criminal case, things could be different but I should imagine hell would freeze over before any extradition happened.
 
Penna said:
No, the Queen does but he doesn't. Civil cases are not grounds for extradition, though. If it became a criminal case, things could be different but I should imagine hell would freeze over before any extradition happened.
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So he’ll be tried in absentia then? If the civil case goes against him, it’s still going to be horrific PR disaster for the Royal Family?
 
Paxi said:
So he’ll be tried in absentia then? If the civil case goes against him, it’s still going to be horrific PR disaster for the Royal Family?
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Could it get much worse? His interview a couple of years ago was as disastrous as it gets. A guilty verdict would come as a shock to no-one but the most staunch of monarchy-bummers.
 
Salt Bailly said:
Could it get much worse? His interview a couple of years ago was as disastrous as it gets. A guilty verdict would come as a shock to no-one but the most staunch of monarchy-bummers.
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Well yeah if he’s been found to have abused a minor in court then it could get much much worse. At the minute they’re just allegations but they’d hold much more weight if they were judged to have happened in civil court. Though I’m not sure on the burden of proof needed. And I’m sure they’ll probably try to settle out of court to avoid any details going public which have not already been made public. I think it can get much worse. Piers Morgan is already piling on the pressure and he’s a royalist for all intents and purposes. I can only imagine the furore if this was a full blown public trail and the case went against him.
 
Paxi said:
Well yeah if he’s been found to have abused a minor in court then it could get much much worse. At the minute they’re just allegations but they’d hold much more weight if they were judged to have happened in civil court. Though I’m not sure on the burden of proof needed. And I’m sure they’ll probably try to settle out of court to avoid any details going public which have not already been made public. I think it can get much worse. Piers Morgan is already piling on the pressure and he’s a royalist for all intents and purposes. I can only imagine the furore if this was a full blown public trail and the case went against him.
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I hope you're right, but I don't expect it to result in anything more than a few days of news coverage and him continuing to shun public life, as he's already been doing. The chances of him going over there to face repercussions is nil.
 
Salt Bailly said:
I hope you're right, but I don't expect it to result in anything more than a few days of news coverage and him continuing to shun public life, as he's already been doing. The chances of him going over there to face repercussions is nil.
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Yeah it would be good to get to the bottom of this for sure. But you’re right of course — he’s not going over there.
 
Paxi said:
Well yeah if he’s been found to have abused a minor in court then it could get much much worse. At the minute they’re just allegations but they’d hold much more weight if they were judged to have happened in civil court. Though I’m not sure on the burden of proof needed. And I’m sure they’ll probably try to settle out of court to avoid any details going public which have not already been made public. I think it can get much worse. Piers Morgan is already piling on the pressure and he’s a royalist for all intents and purposes. I can only imagine the furore if this was a full blown public trail and the case went against him.
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For a civil case typically you just need to show that it's more likely than not that he's guilty whereas for a criminal case it would be "beyond reasonable doubt". So there is quite a large difference in burden of proof.
 
Highly highly recommend Chasing Ghislaine on Audible. Amazing podcast that details how Epstein made money and how Ghislaine was linked to him. Mega interesting.
 
VeevaVee said:
Highly highly recommend Chasing Ghislaine on Audible. Amazing podcast that details how Epstein made money and how Ghislaine was linked to him. Mega interesting.
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What Epstein did was unforgivable but what she did was even worst. Those girls trusted her. She's just a despicable excuse of a woman. These were all young girls looking for guidance and they were unfortunate enough to encounter her.
 
MrMarcello said:
A female sociopath driven by greed perhaps?
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According to the podcast I mentioned (which is by an investigative journalist who followed him and spent time with them), she was obsessed with Epstein. Her dad was an extremely serious and angry guy who was in bed with Mossad, MI5 and the KGB and she liked to please him, presumably to stop him getting angry. When he died and her wealth disappeared with it, she found a new powerful and wealthy figure in Epstein to obsess over pleasing, and was also madly in love with him by the sounds of it.
 
Scotland Yard has spoken to the woman who claims she was raped and sexually assaulted by the Duke of York on three occasions when she was 17.

Officers are understood to have contacted Virginia Giuffre about her allegations after Dame Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police commissioner, said in August that “no one is above the law”.

The development could pave the way for the Met to open a criminal investigation of Giuffre’s claims, which Prince Andrew has always strenuously denied.



Giuffre, 38, who is also known as Virginia Roberts, has alleged that on one occasion in March 2001 she was trafficked to London from America by the billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and forced to have sex with Andrew at the Belgravia home of Ghislaine Maxwell, a British socialite. Maxwell denies the claims.


It can also be revealed today that Prince William believes the duke presents a reputational “threat” to the royal family and shares the view of his father, the Prince of Wales, that Andrew should never be allowed to return to public life. “William is no fan of Uncle Andrew,” a friend said.
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From the Times
 
Ali Dia said:
Andrew is going to have an accident at some point for sure
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Diana wasn't even a royal family member anymore but the threat of marrying a Muslim was enough.

Let's see if being a paedo is considered to be better or worse for the royal family.
 
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