Nightmare Scenarios #1: Pep and Pogba to City

Chesterlestreet said:
Just to be clear, I don't think he'd struggle in the PL if by that we mean there's some sort of barrier particular to the PL a manager has to overcome.

But his record – which is unprecedented, I think, at the top level of football * – has been written whilst he managed a grand total of two sides, both of which are/were extremely dominant and, well, star studded. The only side he has ever managed which looked perfectly unbeatable included the greatest player the world has seen since Maradona.

This, obviously, raises a question or two. How he'd fare in a league featuring three or four sides more or less on the same level in terms of player material – well, we don't know, do we?

I'd love to see him in the PL, for what it's worth – and I'd love to see him manage a side which ain't a shoe-in or close to it for major trophies. My hunch is that he'll do well wherever he goes – but he might conceivably find it a completely different challenge to anything he's faced so far to manage, say, City.

* His wins-per-game record, I mean - not his trophy haul.
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In the last 3 years Barcelona have won 1 league and 0 CL titles. Now lets say Pep was the manager of Barcelona for the last 3 years and had they won 3 league and 2 CLs people would be saying it was all down to the amazing team and Messi, i have absolutely no doubt about that. Its hard for some people to give credit to Pep.
 
prarek said:
In the last 3 years Barcelona have won 1 league and 0 CL titles. Now lets say Pep was the manager of Barcelona for the last 3 years and had they won 3 league and 2 CLs people would be saying it was all down to the amazing team and Messi, i have absolutely no doubt about that. Its hard for some people to give credit to Pep.
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I'm sure it is hard for some people. I don't find it particularly hard myself. I think he's a bloody good manager – and that he's proven himself as such.

What we're discussing here is whether he's a genius transcending normal boundaries or not – not whether he's a bloody good manager.

That, at least, is how I've read it. Pep has managed insanely wealthy, insanely attractive and insanely talented (beyond his own instruction) teams so far. That is indisputable. It's no slight on him – it's just a fact.
 
BobbyManc said:
Could we afford to roughly double our current manager's wage? Ermm, yeah.
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Well this suggests Pep is on more than four times pellagrinis wages
http://m.tribalfootball.com/articles/4021731
If we assume he would want a payrise to join you (or anybody else) you are probably looking at around 20 million a year... Or 60 million on a three year deal
Given you were not allowed 25 players in the cl this year can you really afford 50/60 million (plus pellagrinis compo) on a manager?
 
sun_tzu said:
Well this suggests Pep is on more than four times pellagrinis wages
http://m.tribalfootball.com/articles/4021731
If we assume he would want a payrise to join you (or anybody else) you are probably looking at around 20 million a year... Or 60 million on a three year deal
Given you were not allowed 25 players in the cl this year can you really afford 50/60 million (plus pellagrinis compo) on a manager?
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Yes. I don't get why people seem to think all of a sudden City are some poor team with no money to spend unless someone is sold. We have the 6th highest revenue in world football. Guardiola's paid a lot, fair enough, but we could cover it if we wanted. It would just mean we would have a bit less to spend on players. The money Guardiola could bring in increased sponsorships, media exposure and in all likelihood increased CL revenue would help cover some of the increase as well.
 
BobbyManc said:
Yes. I don't get why people seem to think all of a sudden City are some poor team with no money to spend unless someone is sold. We have the 6th highest revenue in world football. Guardiola's paid a lot, fair enough, but we could cover it if we wanted. It would just mean we would have a bit less to spend on players. The money Guardiola could bring in increased sponsorships, media exposure and in all likelihood increased CL revenue would help cover some of the increase as well.
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I guess people think that because you agreed to limit spending and to freeze salary to comply with ffp
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-fined-49million-over-3553128
The new pl money will help though
 
sun_tzu said:
I guess people think that because you agreed to limit spending and to freeze salary to comply with ffp
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-fined-49million-over-3553128
The new pl money will help though
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Yeah, the spending restriction should just be in the place for this season. The wage freeze is worse than it sounds as well, it only includes the set-amount. City will just pay more in bonuses. Players like Nasri for example signed new contracts where their wage is less but they'll be earning more each week I presume.
 
Bayern chief Rummenigge: Pep Guardiola won't join 'a club like Manchester City'
Guardiola’s future in Bavaria is the subject of constant speculation and reports suggest he remains the number one choice of the City powerbrokers Txiki Begiristain and Ferran Soriano, both of whom worked with Guardiola at Barcelona, should Manuel Pellegrini leave the club.

Guardiola’s falling out with Bayern doctor Hans-Wilhelm Mueller Wohlfahrt only increased the debate over whether he will stay with Bayern for a third season, as dictated by his contract, or seek a new challenge at the end of the 2014-15 campaign.

But following an emphatic 6-1 win over Porto in the second leg of Bayern’s quarter-final, Rummenigge appears to feel City would be a step down for the most coveted coach in football.

"I don't worry about the rumour," the German champions' chairman told Bild. "It's just proof of his quality.

"But I can't imagine that Guardiola leaves for a club likeManchester City. I am sure that he will be team manager at Bayern at least until June 30, 2016.

"We are very proud that this coach is our man. He is the best and most sought-after coach in the world. He has satisfied all our expectations.

"We have a plan: We will bring this season to an end and then talk in the second half of 2015.

"Our goal is to extend his contract. And I think we have good chances that he will still be our coach beyond 2016."
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KiD MoYeS said:
Bayern chief Rummenigge: Pep Guardiola won't join 'a club like Manchester City'
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As long as he doesnt win the CL, he wont leave till 2018. Not winning the CL with this Bayern team would be a big blemish on his career.(unfairly, given the modus of the CL)
He is so young, is at a top 3 club all time and in the current standing.
City is a step down from Bayern also. The project is in trouble atm. He wont leave in the summer. Never ever(as much as you can say that in football).
 
He won't leave in the summer, if it isn't for a obscene amount of money and other circumstances. You have to pay fees for Managers, too.

Part of Peps image always has been that he is some kind of football romantic, managing city would damage that, too...
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'm sure it is hard for some people. I don't find it particularly hard myself. I think he's a bloody good manager – and that he's proven himself as such.

What we're discussing here is whether he's a genius transcending normal boundaries or not – not whether he's a bloody good manager.

That, at least, is how I've read it. Pep has managed insanely wealthy, insanely attractive and insanely talented (beyond his own instruction) teams so far. That is indisputable. It's no slight on him – it's just a fact.
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He is though.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
I'm sure it is hard for some people. I don't find it particularly hard myself. I think he's a bloody good manager – and that he's proven himself as such.

What we're discussing here is whether he's a genius transcending normal boundaries or not – not whether he's a bloody good manager.

That, at least, is how I've read it. Pep has managed insanely wealthy, insanely attractive and insanely talented (beyond his own instruction) teams so far. That is indisputable. It's no slight on him – it's just a fact.
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Its also a fact that Barcelona was all over the place in 2008, nearly finishing 4th in the league, 18 points behind Real.
He shipped Deco and Ronaldinho off, brought new guys like Alves in. That takes balls and great insight.
And like others stated: look what Barca did since he has left. 0:7 in a CL semi, 1 big title in 3 years so far. Their current side is carried mostly by 3 great players then any good tactics I often feel.
No one has done the things he did as a coach before turning 45. Could have 3! CL titles by then. He is a genius imo.
 
adexkola said:
He is though.
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:lol: Alright, alright - he's a genius.

Would still be interesting to see him manage a different sort of team - not exactly an underdog (that's hardly likely to happen unless he decides to take something like that on for kicks), but, yeah, any top team in the PL for instance.
 
I wouldn't take anything Rummenigge says about City with any seriousness, the guy hates us, as it seems most of the people high up at Bayern do. Perfectly possible Guardiola wouldn't be interested in managing City, however Rummenigge's view on the matter is pretty useless.
 
It's not only the board, everyone in Germany hates you :) You've taken over Chelseas role of being a symbol for everything that's wrong with modern football. Only challenged by PSG, but at least they've got Zlatan. :wenger:
 
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