Except the main part:
the hyperbole changes so much when it’s the Patriots who benefit.
but yeah, sure
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
Except the main part:
the hyperbole changes so much when it’s the Patriots who benefit.
but yeah, sure
You got me wrong, I meant like penalties in the sense that both systems are widely viewed as not an ideal method of deciding a winner of an important game, after two good sides have been battling out beautifully over the normal regulation period.
@Eboue or anyone else
What percentage of times has the team receiving the ball in OT gone for a TD
Just wondering
Still think they should both get a chance. Or keep playing 15min ‘quarters’ until there’s a winner
What percentage of times has the team receiving the ball in OT gone for a TD
Just wondering
Still think they should both get a chance. Or keep playing 15min ‘quarters’ until there’s a winner
2 fantastic games... brilliant win by the Pats. The hate from the non-Pats fans
The OT rules suck but they are what they are. I do hope they change soon, particularly for playoff games.
The OT rules suck but they are what they are. I do hope they change soon, particularly for playoff games.
I’m keen to see stats too
College OT rules do indeed look a lot better, yeah.
@Eboue does it happen often that the team which gets possession last goes for 2 if the first team scored a TD+PAT?
@Eboue does it happen often that the team which gets possession last goes for 2 if the first team scored a TD+PAT?
I just wanted a pun about how many super bowls Brady has been to
Dunno, not all teams are based on offense. If a team can't stop a single drive, knowing the stakes that feels reasonable to me. KC got 3 long third downs, but didn't execute coverage on very obvious receivers. (Brady is going to one of two in those situations, every time)
Dislike Belichick because he's a cheating, snide, poorly dressed slob, but you can't really hate Brady. I mean, his execution when it matters is basically unparalleled in modern sport, outside of maybe a Federer. Also Kraft is besties with Trump, so deal with that Pats fans
Dislike Belichick because he's a cheating, snide, poorly dressed slob, but you can't really hate Brady. I mean, his execution when it matters is basically unparalleled in modern sport, outside of maybe a Federer. Also Kraft is besties with Trump, so deal with that Pats fans
Ah ok, still think penalties are better!
Are you trying to downplay how great Brady has been in his career? He's the best at that position ever. It's no longer a debate.
30-46, 348, 1-2 (one bad turnover in the end zone and the other a tipped pass by his receiver). Barring the two turnovers that's a fantastic statistical performance, and when it mattered most, i.e. with 2:00 remaining and season on the line, he was once again GOAT-worthy.
I'm saying his performance last night wasn't great but having a well run franchise certainly helped him get to another superbowl
He's not been the best QB for the last few seasons but my point is he doesn't need to be. I'm jealous that Rodgers doesn't have the same type of set up
It's in the ringer.com link in post 7481 above. As of Jan 2017, it was 55-45% to the coin toss winner since the NFL adopted the new rules in 2012. Historically, I believe it's been around 52-48 to the coin toss winner, practically 50-50.
I also don't agree with the 10-minute change though that only applies to regular season games.
Thanks. But that’s not what I asked.
Was wondering what % of those opening OT drives went for a TD, not if the team who won the coin toss won
I'm sure most fans wish their team had a setup under Kraft/Management/Belichick. I wish Dallas had retained Jimmy in 1994, and I wish they had put great pieces around Romo in 2007 going forward versus pushing Parcells out. I'm certain Dolphins fans wish they had more put around Marino in the 80s/90s, same for just about any top tier QB that couldn't quite get over that mountain every season.
every once in a while. but mostly they kick to extend the game until the 3rd overtime when by rule the have to start going for two from then on
Misread the post. There was a hyperlink in the same link above that mentioned a study on opening drives/second drives but the link is dead.
Here's a short google search that brings up an article from 2014 but slightly outdated. Someone would need to crunch numbers for the past 4-5 seasons to get an updated number.
http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2014/01/modeling-nfl-overtime-as-a-markov-chain/
After a kickoff, drives end with the following frequencies (all stats from www.pro-football-reference.com):
Defensive TD: .020
Safety: .001
No Score: .661
FG: .118
TD: .200
Brady is the system.
Nowhere near Rodgers even by his own admission and that was with cheating by deflating the balls,
QBs that don't have the SuperBowls typically get penalized during these debates. Rodgers has the best rating ever which is great, but he doesn't have enough rings to show for it. You need a combination of both success and a strong stat record.
I know but I hate the guy but I love watching him and in my opinion he is by far the best QB I have seen .
It should have been 3 TO's with that overhit throw to Gronk, which would have cost them the game. The Kansas defender who was offside lost the match.
Had that occurred the post-game narrative would have been entirely different, obviously. Instead of praise he'd have been criticized.
Brady didn't get sacked once, and this was against the best QB rushing defense in the league. Meanwhile Mahomes was sacked multiple times and his blocking line was paper thin. Belichek put on a clinic in that first half.
And Brady‘s ability to quickly get rid of the ball, is a huge part of this.
Which is true, but then people don’t equally go and comment on what Brady did do. People look for every reason to downplay Brady, which is fine, whatever.
He's got the GOAT record which can never be taken away from him. But if that Kansas defender was standing a literally a few inches back then Brady has 1TD/3TO's and is going home.
Brady was great. Mahomes was better, but the pats D was better than the Chiefs and the game was decided by a coin toss
For once though, at least it wasn't Andy Reid's fault
For once though, at least it wasn't Andy Reid's fault
It's all ifs and buts.
If Brady had a deep threat, then what? If the Pats lost the coin toss, then what? If the Kansas player didn't get caught offside, then what? If the Chiefs were caught with 12 men on the field, then what? If Gronk was as healthy as his prime days, then what? If the Pats converted on 4th-and-inches late in the game, then what?
You can keep going like that forever.
It's like the Spurs - United game. "If you didn't have De Gea..." or "If the Spurs only shot better..."
You can't keep going on about ifs and buts when a team keeps reaching the Super Bowl more often than not. It's not always luck, bad calls or horrible OT rules. It's consistency and making the best of what you have. Every year. Every game. Every play.
If Brady had a deep threat, then what? If the Pats lost the coin toss, then what? If the Kansas player didn't get caught offside, then what? If the Chiefs were caught with 12 men on the field, then what? If Gronk was as healthy as his prime days, then what? If the Pats converted on 4th-and-inches late in the game, then what?
You can keep going like that forever.
It's like the Spurs - United game. "If you didn't have De Gea..." or "If the Spurs only shot better..."
You can't keep going on about ifs and buts when a team keeps reaching the Super Bowl more often than not. It's not always luck, bad calls or horrible OT rules. It's consistency and making the best of what you have. Every year. Every game. Every play.
I find it strange that they will give the QB passing yards for the distance run by the receivers after they've caught the ball. You could throw it 1 yard and run it 50, and the QB will get 51 yards to his stats.
Surprised by how many here are bringing up the current OT setup. Much bigger issue/travesty for me yesterday was the Saints getting screwed on the non pass interference call. NFL needs to fix that shit.
If United were bundled out of the CL Semi Finals after OT, where it went to penalties but the first penalty scored wins, then you'd rightfully be up in arms too.
Everyone was saying that was a bullshit call, but that's a problem with the officials making a mistake, not a problem with a bullshit rule that everyone has been rightly calling unfair for years.
Also they're not mutually exclusive.
Not a fair comparison. Those are the rules in OT. They’re nothing new.
We had golden goal but it was rubbish so it was stopped.
But if there are two open receivers, WR1 is likely to get tackled upon reception and WR2 doesn't have anybody likely to tackle him upon reception, and the QB picks the better option it surely makes sense.
I appreciate there are cases where its simply a brilliant play after the reception by the receiver for the YAC, but thats my guess as to why
Golden goal is much fairer given the chances of scoring from kick-off are minute.
It is a fair comparison to make. One team gets the ball after a coin toss, they score then they win, if they don't then the other team gets a chance.
IMO they should have both 'total yards (throw + run)' and just throwing yards.
Please keep comparing gaining 75 yards and scoring a touchdown to shooting a penalty. It's almost the same thing. They should just give the win to the winner of the coin toss, really.
Fact is that only 17% of OT games are decided by a TD on the first possession. That's an 83% chance it's not decided by a TD on the first possession.
I'm all for changing the rules. The rules are stupid. The rules have to change. Just like i believe that away goals is a stupid rule in the CL, and has to change. A goal is a goal, no? But those are the rules yesterday, today and tomorrow. Remember when the Pats beat the Broncos in OT after kicking to start the OT? Same rules, with a very different twist to it.
I’m not sure, we saw both sides of it yesterday in either game. I personally don’t think it’s fair that the second team only has to get within field goal range to potentially win. If it was first touchdown wins then I think that’s better.
The first team only has to get within field goal range to potentially win as well.
Thanks