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And they still missed the playoffs. His Cleveland tenure speaks for just how awesome it is for a coach to have a HOF-level QB.
Missing the playoffs with an 11-5 record is just luck-based. That was an outstanding success.
 
Missing the playoffs with an 11-5 record is just luck-based. That was an outstanding success.

This is true. But how good would they have been with Brady? 14-16 wins is likely and probably another SB appearance. It's not like Baltimore, Indianapolis, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee were greatness defined that year.
 
Surely the Saints don’t let him go ... if this Jags team gets Brees and with Robinson coming back at WR ... they would surely be unstoppable?

He is a free agent so could be tempted with one last shot at glory. Although I think he will stay in NO
 
This is true. But how good would they have been with Brady? 14-16 wins is likely and probably another SB appearance. It's not like Baltimore, Indianapolis, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee were greatness defined that year.
Yes, very probably. But the fact remains the Pats were still more than competitive without Brady. That's the point I'm making. Brady is great, Belichick is GOAT.
 
Brady is as good as Big Ben or Brees. A lever below Rodgers in terms of sheer talent. He'd still make HoF, but BB elevates him to GOAT discussions...

As good as Big Ben or Brees ... wow really?

Purely on physical traits, sure I might buy that. But time and time again people like you overlook how important mental attributes are.
 
Brady was incredible but the Pats defence won them the game , stepped up big time at the end. As for the Brady BB discussions well as good a coach as BB is it is genuinely bullshit to suggest Brady is a Goat because of BB only. The whole Rodgers wankfest is becoming tiresome now , I actually love Rodgers but it is ridiculous to suggest that Brady is a tier below in terms of ability. Qb isn't just about the throwing arm , it has a lot of things other than just pure arm strength and Brady is as good if not better than Rodgers in every aspect
 
I’m not sure ... if Cousins or Smith are available you have to take them surely?

Cousins = stat compiler. The modern day Neil Lomax. I think he's a mental midget and not sure if tossing 25-35m per year is a wise investment. He'd definitely open up the downfield passing game but he'd also make frequent mistakes, and the Jags would lose that Bortles scrambling element.

Smith = yes. Great competition for Bortles and an improved version of Bortles. Probably the right guy for this side barring someone like Jimmy G somehow turning up there.
 
Brady was incredible but the Pats defence won them the game , stepped up big time at the end. As for the Brady BB discussions well as good a coach as BB is it is genuinely bullshit to suggest Brady is a Goat because of BB only. The whole Rodgers wankfest is becoming tiresome now , I actually love Rodgers but it is ridiculous to suggest that Brady is a tier below in terms of ability. Qb isn't just about the throwing arm , it has a lot of things other than just pure arm strength and Brady is as good if not better than Rodgers in every aspect
There's arguments for Brady I can understand, then there's this. Besides your first sentence what you said is blatantly untrue.
 
Yes, very probably. But the fact remains the Pats were still more than competitive without Brady. That's the point I'm making. Brady is great, Belichick is GOAT.

It goes both ways. BB and staff had far more superior talent in 2008 as well, and Cassell filled a bus driver role ala Bortles, Smith, etc. But Brady elevates them to another 2-5 wins in the regular season and at least an AFC title game appearance.
 
The bottom line is, it was a TEAM win. After all it’s a football team. Not just Brady. Or Bill. Or Amendola. Or Harrison.
Exactly, maybe that logic should be applied to the Pats dynasty as a whole though.
It goes both ways. BB and staff had far more superior talent in 2008 as well, and Cassell filled a bus driver role ala Bortles, Smith, etc. But Brady elevates them to another 2-5 wins in the regular season and at least an AFC title game appearance.
Very true, but then you think about how many QB's are better than Cassell, and you realise a good amount would also win a further 2-5 games too.
 
6 minutes after securing the trip to his 8th super bowl, further cementing the greatest dynasty in football history, people are discussing whether or not TB is GOAT.

Seriously guys, this is getting a bit tedious.
 
I could buy into that argument. But Brady put the ball there for him ... sometimes I do wish a conversation on this forum about Brady could exist without sheer hate and bias.

Christ alive man, it's not hating Brady to say another player did more. You're way way ott in your defensiveness.
 
He wasn't great in Cleveland with Kosar and Testeverde, two above average QBs. Went 5-11 with Bledsoe in 2000 and 11-5 with Cassell in 2008 (missed playoffs to boot).

Tbf the arguments was him having good or other great QB rather than above average QBs

It's all opinion
I think if you swap Brady with Rodgers Wilson or brees for example, patriots might just do the same (I do think Brady being Brady has an affect on play calling on the opposition late in games)

Then again swap Brady into those teams he struggles. He defo struggles in green bay cos of the horrendous play calling lol

It's hard go guess
What we do know is TB and BB are a dream match
 
How about Joe Gibbs, 3 SB wins , 3 different starting QBs. Theismann, Williams and Rypien.

Yeah, that's like greatness right there. They also had the best OL of that era, three great receivers, a great running game, a great defense, etc. That 87 win was the odd one - they weren't exactly spectacular in the regular season but hit a stride in a weak NFC postseason field after the top teams that year, New Orleans and San Francisco, both choked against an average Minnesota side. That SB win probably vaulted Gibbs up a few rungs.

His 82-83 sides were fantastic as was that 91 side.
 
Very true, but then you think about how many QB's are better than Cassell, and you realise a good amount would also win a further 2-5 games too.

Bortles went 10-6. Cassell went 11-5 you say.

Cassell is probably better than Bortles. So, is this like saying B.B. is only comparable to Marrone?

No it’s not. Football is far more dynamic than these 1st grade arguments people are flying about.
 
Btw. The London games are a joke this year.

Best game at Spurs’ stadium - which is smaller and to give yourself best chance of getting a ticket you need to get the Wembley ones to get priority access.

I think I’m going to take my chances and try and get one via ticketmaster
 
There's arguments for Brady I can understand, then there's this. Besides your first sentence what you said is blatantly untrue.

Well it is not untrue at all . Rodgers is a great QB but I don't see much that makes him better than Brady. Brady on the other hand has 5 rings and 8 SB appearances which is something Rodgers can't even come close to matching. If I was building a team I would take Brady probably 51 times out of a 100 but Rodgers fanboys make it seem like it's not even a contest with things like how he is Big Ben level
 
Brady was incredible but the Pats defence won them the game , stepped up big time at the end. As for the Brady BB discussions well as good a coach as BB is it is genuinely bullshit to suggest Brady is a Goat because of BB only. The whole Rodgers wankfest is becoming tiresome now , I actually love Rodgers but it is ridiculous to suggest that Brady is a tier below in terms of ability. Qb isn't just about the throwing arm , it has a lot of things other than just pure arm strength and Brady is as good if not better than Rodgers in every aspect
Completely agree. We're better than these BS arguments aren't we?
 
Btw. The London games are a joke this year.

Best game at Spurs’ stadium - which is smaller and to give yourself best chance of getting a ticket you need to get the Wembley ones to get priority access.

I think I’m going to take my chances and try and get one via ticketmaster

So how to get tickets for the Eagles jags game ?
 
Tbf the arguments was him having good or other great QB rather than above average QBs

It's all opinion
I think if you swap Brady with Rodgers Wilson or brees for example, patriots might just do the same (I do think Brady being Brady has an affect on play calling on the opposition late in games)

Then again swap Brady into those teams he struggles. He defo struggles in green bay cos of the horrendous play calling lol

It's hard go guess
What we do know is TB and BB are a dream match

But what relevance does this have? Rodgers struggles due to play calling too. Wilson didn’t even get Seahawks to the playoffs. Are you saying Brady does worse than these guys?

And you think Brady loses the game like Brees did last week?

Come on man give over. I’m ok with people saying Brady isn’t the GOAT, but stuff like this just irritates me because it’s pure trash.
 
Yeah probably. But if he wants one last chance to win... surely there is no better spot than Jags.

Saints weren't exactly shit this year and barring a mental lapse by a defender, Brees would be starting in a few minutes with a shot at a second SB appearance. Zero incentive to leave NO based on how this season fared.
 
But what relevance does this have? Rodgers struggles on play calling. Wilson didn’t even get Seahawks to the playoffs. Are you saying Brady does worse than these guys?

And you think Brady loses the game like Brees did last week?

Come on man give over. I’m ok with people saying Brady isn’t the GOAT, but stuff like this just irritates me because it’s pure trash.
wut?
 
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