I don't understand, are NFL players thugs(or wannabee thugs) or is it normal to be shot in the US?
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Most of them come from poor backgrounds, so they are probably thugs,wannabes or thug affiliates. But of course he lives in the Midwest, where you're more likely to get shot at than anywhere in the world.
EDIT: It was in Miami Gardens,FL. Still, stay the hell away from the midwest.
EDIT: It was in Miami Gardens,FL. Still, stay the hell away from the midwest.
You have to understand the background a lot of these players come from - they are literally from the ghetto. They make millions - but most never lose the old crew or connections and some end up adding even more harmful groupies.
Plus - so many of these incidents happen when they end up going back 'home' - as with Stedman - as he was suspended, he wasn't in St. Louis.
I don't follow the NBA but the players come from the same background, are they also shot on a yearly basis? And soccer players also come from poor backgrounds and they are not trying to kill or at the end of bullets regurlarly, look at all the players coming from favelas.
What are you talking about?
So disappointed they couldnt entice the Packers to come over 
He was suspended after testing positive for marijuana on November 9th.. Really? How dumb can you be.
This is the US we're talking about. This doesn't necessarily translate to other countries.
Not to mention - I don't think NFL crime statistics are above the national average....it's just that the NFL is the biggest thing in the US and it makes news.
But Soccer, Baseball(Central and South Americans) and NBA players are also literally from Ghettos but they seem to be different.
Yeah, the coverage is probably different.
The NFL and NBA are the 2 US sports with the highest crime rates -
NFL - DUI, Assault/battery and Domestic Abuse are the 3 biggest reasons.
NBA - DUI, Domestic Abuse and Traffic Violations are the 3 biggest reasons.
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/sport/nfl-arrest-rates/
NFL - DUI, Assault/battery and Domestic Abuse are the 3 biggest reasons.
NBA - DUI, Domestic Abuse and Traffic Violations are the 3 biggest reasons.
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/sport/nfl-arrest-rates/
It's interesting, because the NBA have a lot less players, so the numbers are quite shocking.
There are a lot of things to consider.
The number of players in both leagues being one. NFL -1696, NBA - 450-500.
The pay grade is also another factor. The number of players in the NFL, the number of games in a season, and the salary system, all pretty much ensure that as an NFL player - not only is your future far from guaranteed, but you probably aren't making enough money to make the necessary transition to get out of harms way.
Some of these players can't afford to move out of their respective environments. This allows them to continue to interact with their "old acquaintances" and continue to indulge in these sort of things. As opposed to the NBA, where for the majority, that first contract is the golden ticket. Ofcourse,some of them still continue to indulge in that lifestyle and ultimately get punished for it.
Soccer is a bit different as it's not necessarily confined to the United states(gun culture). It involves a host of different countries, and cultures.
Just Googled this to find out more and ended up reading the Miami Herald website article, the comments section makes the Mail look liberal.
What you say is interesting but the link provided by Neutral shows that the NBA is infact not better than the NFL.
But I'm interested by your point about not making enough money to get out of harms way, NFL players(in the 53) are less secure because of less guaranteed money but they still make hundred thousands of dollars during their first year, isn't that enough money to go back to school and have a great life in a very nice middle class suburb?
NFL players seem to be aware of the uncertainty of their situation but live the grand life instead of planning for their own future.
Look there is no point beating around the bush -
NBA -
75% black
15% foreign
10% white
NFL -
68% black
28% white
4% latinos/islanders etc etc
MLB
60% white
28.5% latino - mainly Dominicans and Venezuelans (non native)
9.5% of the MLB is black
Don't think I need to do the NHL
It's a complex issue - but, black males have an issue in this country - so many are from broken homes. Listen to the players...common story, no father figure, mom doing 3 jobs to make ends meet and growing up in an environment full of violence and drugs.
They then win scholarships to go to universities (very few actually get a degree - that's another story) and then come into more money they can imagine once they enter the pros. So they're rich...but what else has changed about their background and make up?
David Robinson and RG3 are the exceptions, not the norm.
And the number of players who waste their money and end up bankrupt and destitute is shocking.
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and Floyd Mayweather - again are not the norm
NBA -
75% black
15% foreign
10% white
NFL -
68% black
28% white
4% latinos/islanders etc etc
MLB
60% white
28.5% latino - mainly Dominicans and Venezuelans (non native)
9.5% of the MLB is black
Don't think I need to do the NHL
It's a complex issue - but, black males have an issue in this country - so many are from broken homes. Listen to the players...common story, no father figure, mom doing 3 jobs to make ends meet and growing up in an environment full of violence and drugs.
They then win scholarships to go to universities (very few actually get a degree - that's another story) and then come into more money they can imagine once they enter the pros. So they're rich...but what else has changed about their background and make up?
David Robinson and RG3 are the exceptions, not the norm.
And the number of players who waste their money and end up bankrupt and destitute is shocking.
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and Floyd Mayweather - again are not the norm
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Neutral's link is great, but it highlights DUI's and Domestic abuse as the two most significant reasons for arrests in both leagues. You were interested in gun violence and other gang related crimes, so it does little to suggest these crimes are more prominent in the NBA than NFL.
Having a great life in a nice neighbourhood comes with a great price. Some of these athletes can barely afford a middle class lifestyle on a consistent basis.
Look there is no point beating around the bush -
NBA -
75% black
15% foreign
10% white
NFL -
68% black
28% white
4% latinos/islanders etc etc
MLB
60% white
28.5% latino - mainly Dominicans and Venezuelans (non native)
9.5% of the MLB is black
Don't think I need to do for the NHL
It's a complex issue - but, black males have an issue in this country - so many are from broken homes. Listen to the players...common story, no father figure, mom doing 3 jobs to make ends meet and growing up in an environment full of violence and drugs.
They then win scholarships to go to universities (very few actually get a degree - that's another story) and then come into more money they can imagine once they enter the pros. So they're rich...but what else has changed about their background and make up?
David Robinson and RG3 are the exceptions, not the norm.
And the number of players who waste their money and end up bankrupt and destitute is shocking.
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan and Floyd Mayweather - again are not the norm
Took the bull by the horns.Wasn't Malcolm Butler riding the bus to practice and games before that Super Bowl winning catch?
That's why I said that they should table on their own education instead of renting great condos and sports cars, professional athletes in general won a lottery tickets but a lot of them spend it very badly. I also talked about middle class life not upper class life, I realize that they are not in a position to live like that but they seem to ignore it.
I didn't want to come across as a dick or worse.
It's a sensitive issue but one that is well established and spoken about openly in the US.
Stephen A Smith is a noted blowhard (and hated by everyone lol) - but here was his rant on black athletes in the US doing stupid shit (this clip only pertains to NFL players)
@Neutral You are right to point out that Afro Americans are involved, I had the same thing in mind when I mentioned the MLB. But what I don't understand is why aren't they fleeing the ghetto at the first opportunity?
It's not they aren't, the vast majority do. It's not like they still live in the old neighborhood.
But like others have said - too often, they'll go back to that environment during the off season, bye weeks - injury lay offs or hell even during the season.
Not to mention a lot of violent stuff happens after hours - which is why most professional teams have retired cops as security personnel or will build up strong links with the authorities in their local communities...so that they can get a heads up if and when something starts to go bad.
But - these are 'grown' men - how much can you really monitor them? There are plenty of players who do mature and do the right thing. Leaders in the black community have spoken about this stuff over and over again...but, I don't think they're being heard.
It's a valid suggestion. It's just easier to have all the answers from the outside looking in. The culture is ingrained, and they aren't as enlightened as the average individual outside these communities. It's only fairly recently that these organisations have started providing the necessary opportunities and education for these athletes, in order to ensure a better future for them. They used to be heavily exploited in the past, without any form of programmes and/or guidance.
Also, the NFL isn't necessarily a lottery ticket. You can spend 5 years in the NFL with very little to show for it. As opposed to say, the NBA. (see above for reasons). These are all factors as to why an NFL player might choose to remain in a bad environment, which ultimately leads to indulging in certain activities (not all,mind).
You should also note that the most prevalent crimes in the NFL and NBA aren't gang related or related to gun violence or crimes that are primarily caused by their previous environments.
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Isn't there a difference in the length of the respective seasons as well? Correct me if I'm wrong, but NBA players live and travel with their team from the start of October until the end of April, even the end of June if they're lucky. Their off-season isn't very long, whereas you're basically free to go wherever you want as an NFL athlete from the end of January until the end of July, which gives you a lot more time to do stupid things or to be involved in unfortunate accidents (like JPP for example).
Yeah. Which gives them room to self destruct.
@Neutral @Roman Bellic Thanks for your responses, you both made good points.
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