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Muller, Bale and Neymar, think Woody has been playing too much FUT.
Indeed.I know right!?
We should just settle for top four finishes and maybe a cup run every few years and forget about trying to sign top players,at least it wouldn't embarras some of our fan base
Or maybe he's doing his job?Muller, Bale and Neymar, think Woody has been playing too much FUT.
Why not?
Or maybe he's doing his job?
Sort of this is how I see it as well.If Messi was 32/33 years I would understand his interest to stay in Barcelona but in the current situation I can see him being in his shadow for some more years. The best player from Brazil repeating during the best years of his career "it's a pleasure to play with Messi", for me is awkard.
If he wants to get protagonism should look for another destination.
I think that should have chosen Madrid,and I am not saying this for being a Madrid fan but mainly because Cristiano is older. Wagner Ribeiro also recommend him to go to Madrid in a letter that published recently in Instagram.
Unfortunately for the expensive clause I think that a Figo case is not possible, therefore I don't see a transfer to United as a utopia
Because we're a bit shite at the moment. With major doubts over the ability of our manager to make us a force, domestically or in Europe.
Mind you, Barca are having a bit of a shite season with similar doubts about their manager. Not that this would have been predicted in the summer.
7-8 years ago: "We're such a huge club but we can't pay up for the best players in the world. Embarrassing"
Today: "Why are we trying to buy the best players in the world? Embarrassing"
At the moment yes, but given the way we are going that's not going to last forever.Because we're a bit shite at the moment. With major doubts over the ability of our manager to make us a force, domestically or in Europe.
Mind you, Barca are having a bit of a shite season with similar doubts about their manager. Not that this would have been predicted in the summer.
Shit, Sorry, I didn't realise he scouted and picked the players for the team.Maybe also the reason we are stuck with Rooney and 2 rookie strikers.
Maybe also the reason we are stuck with Rooney and 2 rookie strikers.
At the moment yes, but given the way we are going that's not going to last forever.
The club can't do right for doing wrong at the moment, buy a decent player the club has no ambition, but an exciting prospect - the club need experienced players not prospects. Buy experienced players then suddenly the club aren't investing in youth. Get turned down by a club for one of their star players results in the club being embarrassing. Football fans eh.
I don't subscribe to this Ed is embarrassing himself crap but I can't envisage a situation where we can buy him next year.
Oh Pexy you know all the right things to say.2 years left on his deal.
Meanwhile Barcelona made a net operating profit of €15m last year. That's after winning the Treble and getting nearly €40m a pop for Fabregas and Sanchez. Their debt still rose €41m to €328m and they're talking about a €600m Nou Camp renovation.
Their wages/turnover ratio is at an eye watering 73%.
With all that in mind, is it possible that they might prefer to receive a €150m fee for Neymar than commit another €100m to a new contract? I don't think it's impossible.
It's only a matter of time until we land a top 10 player.
Can't speak for everyone but I just think this "galactico quest" is completely wrong-headed. Even the sugar daddy clubs seem to accept the pointlessness of such an approach. Hence we see City paying a lot of money to sign players a tier below the very top from clubs that can't afford to keep them (Silva, De Bruyne) in the hope they will become a future BPITW rather than trying to buy established megastars from the biggest clubs in Europe. I'd be much happier with that kind of approach rather than sending dozens of emails to Madrid/Barca/Bayern asking them if there's any chance they would sell us their best players (when it's fairly fecking obvious what the response will be).
I bet it would've been seen at the time as naive to be in for Schweinsteiger and Di Maria as well though, I much prefer Woody to be ambitious than defeatist.It's not embarrassing but it does come across as naive. Ditto the emails to Bayern about Muller and the Bale/Ronaldo stuff that's ended up all over the press every summer since Woodward took the reins.
I don't think we are going down the galactico route at all. Signing players like Martial, Memphis, Darmian, Shaw, Schneiderlin and Herrera, let alone promoting youth team players like McNair and Pereira as well as investing heavily in our youth system would back that thought up.Can't speak for everyone but I just think this "galactico quest" is completely wrong-headed. Even the sugar daddy clubs seem to accept the pointlessness of such an approach. Hence we see City paying a lot of money to sign players a tier below the very top from clubs that can't afford to keep them (Silva, De Bruyne) in the hope they will become a future BPITW rather than trying to buy established megastars from the biggest clubs in Europe. I'd be much happier with that kind of approach rather than sending dozens of emails to Madrid/Barca/Bayern asking them if there's any chance they would sell us their best players (when it's fairly fecking obvious what the response will be).
You mean like we did with Martial and Memphis?
No harm in doing both.
At the moment yes, but given the way we are going that's not going to last forever.
The club can't do right for doing wrong at the moment, buy a decent player the club has no ambition, but an exciting prospect - the club need experienced players not prospects. Buy experienced players then suddenly the club aren't investing in youth. Get turned down by a club for one of their star players results in the club being embarrassing. Football fans eh.
Shit, Sorry, I didn't realise he scouted and picked the players for the team.
I bet it would've been seen at the time as naive to be in for Schweinsteiger and Di Maria as well though, I much prefer Woody to be ambitious than defeatist.
The only influence he will have is if it's possible to sign them or not, he will have no choice on who we bring in.He would have a big say in who is attainable when LVG brings a list of targets to him, so yes he does have a big influence on signing these players.
We are aiming for the best it seems and they are not so easily obtainable. Many transfers of big players took several years to complete. I think wanted specific top players and was prepared to play with what he has until the next transfer window. He said it himself several times that we only want the players that will improve the team.
Is it futile to chase such targets... It would appear so to us fans, but we can never know what the clubs and players think. We are never going to sing a big name if we do not attempt to.
Nobody believed we would sing Di Maria or RvP or Falcao... Even though they did not perform (except RvP) they are big names in the world of football.
Great ambition there.Di Maria - was unsettled and Madrid wanted to give him the boot.
RVP - had one year left on his deal and wanted out.
Falcao - Just came back from a serious injury and Monaco needed to offload as they couldn't afford him anymore.
Neither Muller, Bale or Neymar are in these sorts of situations. It seems we are just bidding for players and hoping for the best, we should be going for targets that are realistically attainable. What makes it worse is we chase these guys and end up signing no one, our striker situation is a good example of that.
PRWhat is Ed's angle?
Great ambition there.
Ah the Wenger approach, Martial says hi.Not really, if Muller was unsettled and wanted to leave i would have absolutely no problem with us going for him. But these players are not available, it's got nothing to do with ambition.
Sending an offer for Muller and being rejected then constantly going back and sending more offers and still being rejected is not ambition, it's stupidity and a waste of time.
Ah the Wenger approach, Martial says hi.
Martial was available so we bought him. Bayern, Barca and Madrid don't need to sell their players Monaco do.
No, everyone was told repeatedly he wasn't available, hence why Wenger, you know, said he was told he wasn't available?Martial was available so we bought him. Bayern, Barca and Madrid don't need to sell their players Monaco do.
FFS.Not really, if Muller was unsettled and wanted to leave i would have absolutely no problem with us going for him. But these players are not available, it's got nothing to do with ambition.
Sending an offer for Muller and being rejected then constantly going back and sending more offers and still being rejected is not ambition, it's stupidity and a waste of time.
Martial was not available. They'd rejected a number of bids and enquirys over the summer and rejected all our bids.
Until we bid enough and they could no longer say no.
Every player has a price, you just have to find it.
You're right, it comes across as naïve.It's not embarrassing but it does come across as naive. Ditto the emails to Bayern about Muller and the Bale/Ronaldo stuff that's ended up all over the press every summer since Woodward took the reins.
You can't? Then then I'll help you.Also Wenger didn't want to pay the cash for Martial, that was the crux of the issue, i see no correlation between trying to sign Martial and an elite player at an elite club.
FFS.
Let's just wait for players to approach us shall we.
Except if United try to do it, its embarrassing.Every player has a price, you just have to find it.