Next Labour leader - Starmer and Rayner win

DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I tend to see you as a natural Lib Dem, let down by the fact you pay too much attention to ever see them as worth voting for.
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I don't pay too much attention to them normally but did vote them in December in a desperate remain bid.
I'd see myself fairly centrist to centre left these days all in all, so hated by both sides right now...
 
EwanI Ted said:


Fascinating piece of YouGov polling out today on the views of Labour members. Some highlights include

* Corbyn and Milliband are just about neck and neck for favourite Labour leader

* 70% of people intending to vote RLB think Corbyn had little or no responsibility for defeat in the election

* Opinion over Momentum is split 46% have a favourable view, 42% have an unfavourable view.
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Well that's because they're idiots.
 
Jippy said:
I don't pay too much attention to them normally but did vote them in December in a desperate remain bid.
I'd see myself fairly centrist to centre left these days all in all, so hated by both sides right now...
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I'll be honest, mate, name a political position than isn't currently hated? Those in the centre who have suddenly found themselves less popular, whilst still having the nations biggest broadcaster on their side, are gonna have a hard job convincing anyone they're the unfortunate pariahs.

I don't get much love for being a grumpy socialist. At least you lot get cringy HIGNFY jokes to agree with.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I'll be honest, mate, name a political position than isn't currently hated? Those in the centre who have suddenly found themselves less popular, whilst still having the nations biggest broadcaster on their side, are gonna have a hard job convincing anyone they're the unfortunate pariahs.

I don't get much love for being a grumpy socialist. At least you lot get cringy HIGNFY jokes to agree with.
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Fair point and my interest levels catered til I saw Emily Thornberry on Andrew Neil earlier.
Schlong-daily being the nation's only hope to unseat the Tories is enough to make anyone grumpy.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
She is not my dream. None of these candidates are anyone's dream.

Apart from the scary people who wanted Jess, obviously.
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Yeah I was never particularly fond of Jess as a potential leader. I admire her passion and you can see she cares about her job but I never saw her as leadership material.

Nandy impresses me the more I see of her, but I still get somewhat angry when I think how she voted during the Brexit process. I think it’s a straight race between Starmer and RLB now though and I just hope and pray Starmer wins. I’ve said what I think about RLB so I won’t get into it again but I think she would be a total disaster.
 
I think it's high time the party has a female leader. It's a feather in the cap for the tories that the only female PMs are from their party.

Thornberry has a lot of passion and a very gifted orator and on one hand I feel her fighting nature is perfect to combat Johnson, but on the other I get the sense she is polarising in the party ranks. Nandy is my preferred pick because there's the experience of serving in the shadow cabinet, but she's detached enough from the front-bench image of the Corbyn years to rebuild the party, make the party a bigger tent, and also maintain a grip on empowering young people.
 
Boycott said:
I think it's high time the party has a female leader. It's a feather in the cap for the tories that the only female PMs are from their party.

Thornberry has a lot of passion and a very gifted orator and on one hand I feel her fighting nature is perfect to combat Johnson, but on the other I get the sense she is polarising in the party ranks. Nandy is my preferred pick because there's the experience of serving in the shadow cabinet, but she's detached enough from the front-bench image of the Corbyn years to rebuild the party, make the party a bigger tent, and also maintain a grip on empowering young people.
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Thornberry put me right off with her speech on election night. She blamed everything and anything for the disaster, so I'm concerned the likes of her and RLB will just be same old and include way too many corbynites in their shadow cabinet. And around we go.

Currently due to the options my vote is on Nandy or Starmer. Nandy primarily because I agree it would be fantastic to finally have a female leader, Starmer only if it gets tactical to keep out RLB/Thornberry.

All in all though, I echo what many have said, none are particularily interesting which is a tad depressing.
 
Shamwow said:
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The deputy hustings are still on though i think so at least Burgon can bust his Leeds united top out
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Redlambs said:
Thornberry put me right off with her speech on election night. She blamed everything and anything for the disaster, so I'm concerned the likes of her and RLB will just be same old and include way too many corbynites in their shadow cabinet. And around we go.

Currently due to the options my vote is on Nandy or Starmer. Nandy primarily because I agree it would be fantastic to finally have a female leader, Starmer only if it gets tactical to keep out RLB/Thornberry.

All in all though, I echo what many have said, none are particularily interesting which is a tad depressing.
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Questioner : So, Lady Nugee, or can I call you Emily....You say you're in touch with the Northern Working Class and understand their problems.

Lady Nugee : Of course I am.

Questioner : How can that be ? You live in London...In a £2.5 million pound house.

Lady Nugee : That's not true.

Questioner : Yes it is.

Lady Nugee : No it isn't...We had it revalued last week...It's now worth £ 3.25 million...Snigger, snigger...
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Starmer is the choice for people who thought David Milliband should've won but now feel Ed is closer to the public mood.

Long-Bailey is the choice for people who think Corbyn's main issue was his historic controversies and brexit.

Nandy is the choice for people who don't want to be yelled at (see Warren's candidacy in the US).

Thornberry is the choice for people who just had a bloke hanging an England flag atop their car drive through a puddle to soak them.
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Some people just love to generalise don't they....
 
It's pretty much what you'd expect though, isn't it? I mean how many people can there be who would be politically in line with the Corbyn's side of the party but didn't get involved as members during his time as leader, only to now step in after he's led the party to implosion? It makes sense that the more moderate faction is the one being energized at this point.
 
Starmer has the look of a Prime minister that would feature in a Richard Curtis film.
 
sullydnl said:
It's pretty much what you'd expect though, isn't it? I mean how many people can there be who would be politically in line with the Corbyn's side of the party but didn't get involved as members during his time as leader, only to now step in after he's led the party to implosion? It makes sense that the more moderate faction is the one being energized at this point.
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I wonder how many of the new members are people who rejoined?
I certainly left when Corbyn was leader and if Corbyn in a skirt is elected I won't continue my membership.
 
Pretty interesting article. How Twitter made Corbyn supporting online activists think their views were more popular than they really were.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna.../jeremy-corbyn-labour-twitter-primary/604690/

British tweeters skew left and toward remaining in the European Union, which reflects their demographic makeup. “On average social media users are younger and better educated than non-users,” wrote the researchers Jonathan Mellon and Christopher Prosser in 2017. Users were also more likely to live in cities, “particularly wealthier areas with younger populations.” This phenomenon has been more thoroughly studied in the U.S., where The New York Times has reported that “the views of Democrats on social media often bear little resemblance to those of the wider Democratic electorate.” Active political tweeters in America were whiter, more left wing, more likely to be college educated, and less likely to say that “political correctness was a problem” than primary voters as a whole. Given the faux-democratic promise of social media, it is ironic that it has created a new establishment with roughly the same tight demographic boundaries as the old one.
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Of course, it’s not unusual for candidates to tack toward the extremes in membership contests, believing they can move back to the center when facing a national election. But the demands of the Twitter Primary risk saddling politicians with fringe positions they will struggle to moderate later. The stridency of highly polarized voices online also has a chilling effect on less engaged and less confident tweeters. The echo chamber of social media reassures those extreme voices that they are in fact the mainstream, even convincing Labour activists that the party was not set for a wipeout in the general election—before it received its worst result in almost a century.


Here’s one example of the Twitter Primary in action. In December, the Labour politician Rebecca Long-Bailey wrote an article that was seen as her pitch to be the party’s next leader. It was published in The Guardian, a newspaper that backed Corbyn’s Labour, and Long-Bailey herself is the anointed successor of Corbyn’s right-hand man, John McDonnell. The piece was mostly bland, but one phrase stood out: “progressive patriotism.” The top Twitter results for that phrase show the tenor of responses from the left. “We're now an electorate that can only be bought with racism,” reads one tweet with 1,400 likes. “Or ‘progressive patriotism’, to give it its latest fancy name.” (In the piece that officially launched her campaign, Long-Bailey did not repeat the phrase.) Yet to read so directly across from “patriotism” to “racism” is a fringe position. Some 67 percent of Britons describe themselves as “very” or “slightly” patriotic.” Telling two-thirds of the country that they are secretly racist is a courageous electoral strategy.
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Kentonio said:
Get the feeling Long-Bailey will end up winning, and Labour will be fecked for another 8-10 years.
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Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I do wonder if at least some of the "it must be a woman" crowd are at it for this very outcome more than anything.

Long-Bailey and Burgon will ensure Tory leadership for even longer than 10 years imo.
 
Redlambs said:
Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I do wonder if at least some of the "it must be a woman" crowd are at it for this very outcome more than anything.

Long-Bailey and Burgon will ensure Tory leadership for even longer than 10 years imo.
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Only one man has won an election for Labour in the last forty years. Maybe it's just time to actually break the glass ceiling of having a woman leader since the men have tried and failed.
 
Boycott said:
Only one man has won an election for Labour in the last forty years. Maybe it's just time to actually break the glass ceiling of having a woman leader since the men have tried and failed.
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I'm not talking about having a woman leader, I'm voting Nandy unless it gets tactical. I was just wondering if some RLB supporters would be pushing that line more to ensure Starmer is out of the running.

Anyway if it largely comes down to them two there's no way I'm voting RLB over Starmer just because she's a woman.
 
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