Gilly(wicket keeper batsmen) much useful in one day format (90's or 2000)
Newbie Redcafe Cricket Draft Final- Aldoraine vs Zlatan_ish
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I think you are mistaking him for Sehwag.
He averages higher in Australia, South Africa and England than India.
Sanath was difficult batsmen to bowl especially during 96 world cup.
I think you are mistaking him for Sehwag.
He averages higher in Australia, South Africa and England than India.
Nah Sehwag's a better batsman - its just that people on RedCafe seem to have some sort of agenda against him yet rate someone like Sanath above him. How do you explain an average of 28 in the 90s, and 31 career average?
90s was a time when 240 was a winning score in 90% of games. A batting average in 30s is excellent to have. I would rate a batsman who averaged in 30 in 90s or 80s much much higher than flat track bullies these days who are averaging in 50s without facing half the quality of bowlers back then on flat pitches.
Sanath made his runs against all time great bowlers, tell me how many bowlers of that quality has Sehwag performed against.
Sanath made his runs against all time great bowlers, tell me how many bowlers of that quality has Sehwag performed against.
Both Sanath and Sehwag are great batsmen guys and they have both smacked the best for plenty.
By the time Viru reached his peak, most greats had retired or were on the verge on retiring. He never faced Waqar, Wasim, Donald, Ambrose at their prime. His rivals were the likes of Akhtar and Lee, who were very good, but nowhere near the level of greats.
90s was a golden era for ODI bowlers, and comprised of the best the format has seen. Pakistan (Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain), WI (Ambrose, Walsh), SA (Donald, Pollock, Klusener), among others. Anyone who has a good record against attacks like these would be rated higher.
90s was a golden era for ODI bowlers, and comprised of the best the format has seen. Pakistan (Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain), WI (Ambrose, Walsh), SA (Donald, Pollock, Klusener), among others. Anyone who has a good record against attacks like these would be rated higher.
90s out of 5000 runs:
421 against Australia in 23 matches (no hundreds)
288 against SA in 15 matches (no hundreds)
441 against WI in 19 matches (no hundreds)
Only good bowling attack he's done well against is Pakistan who don't exactly have brilliant bowling wickets though Wasim and Waqar are obviously great bowlers.
I don't really think the likes of Warne, Mcgrath, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose and Walsh were shitting their pants when Sanath walked out considering the fact that in 57 matches against their teams he's got a 5 half centuries and no centuries in the 90s.
I accept that it was harder to score in the 90s and totals were lower - even so Sanath's average is still far below other players who've scored a similar amount of runs. He's the only one in the top 35 run getters in the 90s to average below 30.
Because he was an opener, who usually average lower than lower order batsmen because you really almost never see an opener batting all 50 overs. You are completely off the mark by saying he was not feared, Sanath was one of the most feared batsmen of his time, and could easily put the most accurate of balls away for effortless sixes. I don't want to say it, but I have the feeling you did not watch cricket back then regularly to make such a comment.
Do you remember a competition between him and Sachin, that was about making most centuries in an year, and the reward was a car, and Sanath won?
Do you remember a competition between him and Sachin, that was about making most centuries in an year, and the reward was a car, and Sanath won?
Tendulkar: 43
Mark Waugh: 39
Anwar: 40
Ganguly: 42
Kirsten: 40
Gilchrist: 33
Still think he should be averaging over 30.
And I always though Anwar was more of a rival for Sachin in the 90s tbh. I presume this competition was in 1997 - which was Sachin's worst year 94 on wards. Sanath scored 3 centuries that year - Sachin scored two. Doesn't seem like a great competition tbh as Sachin seemed to have a bad year. Sachin in 1996 scored 6 centuries and in 98 scored 9. Sanath in the whole of the 90s only scored 7 centuries in total.
Agree with this.
How many of them have strike rates over 90?
I will take Sachin-Gilchirist over Sanath-Ganguly as opening pair anyday.
Sorry aldo but Dravid, Ganguly won't be in my 90s odi x1 either and I won't be comfortable with Ganguly specially against my fast bowling attack.
Regarding, Gilchirist he may have played less than Sanath in 90s but still had only 2 centuries less than him and that too with better average.
Gilchirist played crucial part in 99 worldcup winning team and his blistering half century in the final is particulary memborable. He formed with Mark Waugh a very fearing opening pair. I will take Gilly in my team in a hearbeat with him being a wicketkeeper as an advantage.
Sorry aldo but Dravid, Ganguly won't be in my 90s odi x1 either and I won't be comfortable with Ganguly specially against my fast bowling attack.
Regarding, Gilchirist he may have played less than Sanath in 90s but still had only 2 centuries less than him and that too with better average.
Gilchirist played crucial part in 99 worldcup winning team and his blistering half century in the final is particulary memborable. He formed with Mark Waugh a very fearing opening pair. I will take Gilly in my team in a hearbeat with him being a wicketkeeper as an advantage.
late 70's 80's and 90's is the period of fast bowlers.There is no fear against current set of fast bowlers.Gone are the days once windies got declined.
Well none - but its not as if they were slow. Tendulkar had a strike rate of almost 87, Anwar had a strike rate of 83 and Gilchrist 87. Plus he's not really going to dominate Zlatan's bowlers anyway as his poor record against Australia, WI and SA illustrates. And I don't think Wasim would get smacked around either.
Inexperience? Sachin-Ganguly opening pair flourished mist in the 90s when they broke several records. By the early 2000s, Sehwag became an opener, who first partnered Gangult briefly and later Sachin with Ganguly playing in the middle order. Sachin, Ganguly and Sanath, all are better openers than Gilly in the 90s.
And if Gilly gives you wicket keeping, Sanath is an all rounder.
If you understand how batting averages work, you have a better chance of having a high average when you have played less number of games, which is the case with Gilly. Look at Virat Kohli, after having a good few games he is averaging over 50, would you compare that with Lara? No.
Enjoy Sanath against Wasim.
Don't believe me? Listen to Wasim himself.
As Wasim says, the man who troubled him more was Waqar.
Even so Pollock or Donald would remove him. And this draft's about the players at their best right? I don't think Wasim at his best would serve up short and wide balls for Sanath to hit away like in that video.
Well your point about the number of matches is completely irrelevant. We don't know how Kohli's career's going to go at this point. We know exactly how Gilchrest's career went after that - so it shows that his average was no fluke. Plus the fact that he's got 5 centuries in about 80 matches, compared to Sanath's 7 in 200 adds even more weight to the fact Gilly was better.
I'm going for a nap, I'll be back to defend Zlatan's wonderful team.
Gilly's career after 2000 is not relevant. If this was November 1999, I would not think once about players like Gilly, Ponting, McMillan.
The top 4 of Zlatan_ish is basically flawless. They'll take any bowling attack apart. Aldo's top 4 is also class but not better than Zlatan's I think. However Aldo's batting lineup has more depth than Zlatan as Chanderpaul and Cairns were class batsmen.
Also who's the captain of Zlatan's team.
Also who's the captain of Zlatan's team.
So, people who have voted against me include one who has not posted since september, one who has only posted 2 times since joining november 2011 and one who has only 4 posts after joining in april 2010 (whose only 2 posts in 2012 were in drafts of Aldo's matches)
I smell conspiraacy
and a hollow victory
I smell conspiraacy
and a hollow victory
Hhmm. Although Chiv has the ability to stay in for long periods and nurdle it around all day, his negativity and lack of strokes make him a no for me. I suppose the same could be said for Thorpie if you look at it like that. Now Chiv is/was a decent player but he would never make my draft in all honesty.
So, people who have voted against me include one who has not posted since september, one who has only posted 2 times since joining november 2011 and one who has only 4 posts after joining in april 2010 (whose only 2 posts in 2012 were in drafts of Aldo's matches)
I smell conspiraacy
and a hollow victory
That's some research. I have no idea, man. If you want we can deduct these votes.
You have idea Aldo, especially who rahul is. but just let's leave it here. This is game afterall.
Ah, you are right. Didn't notice its Rahul. Yeah I know him from facebook, I asked him to vote (not for me, whoever he thought deserved it) back when my game with Anointed One was tied, and I needed a tie breaker. Probably that's the reason he checked this thread.
He wouldn't be my first choice but I reckon he is very decent. Carried the WI batting on his own shoulders sometimes after Lara retired. Would rate him higher than Thorpe in ODI's actually.
To be honest if I was not playing I would have given my vote to Zlatan. Sachin, Lara and Wasim, its impossible to look past it. I think on its day my team can give a good fight. specially while bowling, would love to see that bowling attack together, but not more than watching Sachin and Lara together. I'm a Sachin worshipper like most Indians, and if there was anyone else watching whom made me feel as happy, it was Lara.
I think I missed a trick by not picking Warne when I had a chance as Sanath is not rated highly here, but regardless I would have done anything to watch those two gods bat together at their prime.
I think I missed a trick by not picking Warne when I had a chance as Sanath is not rated highly here, but regardless I would have done anything to watch those two gods bat together at their prime.
Those lineups . Zlatan edges it for me in a very close contest. He's got a deeper batting line-up than Aldo. As for other criteria, the teams are pretty much neck and neck.
. Zlatan edges it for me in a very close contest. He's got a deeper batting line-up than Aldo. As for other criteria, the teams are pretty much neck and neck.Some one break the deadlock,5-5 even now.
abit of spot fixing from Aldo adding to the tension of this final. This is more crooked than the US elections!
Deadlock broken. Do 5 people really believe Aldo has a better team than Zlatan?! Crazy.
Warne, Lara and Sachin in the same team in the 90's when Sachin was at his attacking best and Lara and Warne were arguably at their peaks is fecking porn. Sorry Aldo, but there's no way I'd have voted for you in this one.
Bowling is close to call...but Zlatan shades it in batting. Sachin & Lara in the same team with Pointing to follow is just better than Ganguly/Dravid/Inzamam. Maybe Jayasuriya edges over Gilchrist marginally, but the rest of the batting lineup takes Zlatan over the ropes.
Sachin/Lara/Wasim/Warne that's great combo TBH.
I know, man. Said the same myself. God and Lara is a dream combo for me.
Aldo it was a wonderful draft and credit to guy participated it.
Thanks a lot, Mani. And everyone else who participated and voted.
Congrats, Zlatan. Delighted to see Sachin get the cup.
Congrats, Zlatan. Delighted to see Sachin get the cup.
Ye, was fun! Thanks again.
It should be made compulsory for those who enter the draft to vote so we atleast have a certain amount of voters every time even if its 8 or 10.
Looking forward to the next one
It should be made compulsory for those who enter the draft to vote so we atleast have a certain amount of voters every time even if its 8 or 10.
Looking forward to the next one