So more ticket price hikes. Can't wait.
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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So this 100k new stadium. Will it get rid of our OT curse? Been playing like shit at OT for a few months now.
This could still happen. Indeed, I'd say it is the most likely outcome.
It will be a new shiny new 100K stadium. Guaranteed! A money machine financed with naming rights.
They've injected £200+ million into the club. Plus an owner can't just pump money into a club to help with FFP/PSR. Those rules are about making clubs run themselves in a sustainable way not run to their rich owners every time they need money.
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They've injected £200+ million into the club. Plus an owner can't just pump money into a club to help with FFP/PSR. Those rules are about making clubs run themselves in a sustainable way not run to their rich owners every time they need money.
I'm not saying Ratcliffe should or would but it wouldn't half be nice if it happened.
I read somewhere on here that debt repayments count against PSR, so if someone paid off the debt that would be a gain. £145m a year maybe.
I'm not saying Ratcliffe should or would but it wouldn't half be nice if it happened.
Yeah it'd be brilliant but I don't blame Ratcliffe for not wanting to pay off the parasites debt for them.
Imagine he paid it off then they shaft him
Which is something I absolutely wouldn't put past those snakes.
Let's not kid ourselves and I'm sure Ratcliffe knows as well. They only wanted to sell part of the club because their incompetence and greed has ran it into the ground.
A new stadium, with a capacity of 100,000 is said to cost over £2 billion. And yet Everton's new stadium with a capacity just under 53,000 is said to have cost less than £800 million.
So roughly twice the capacity and just under 3 times the price. Any reasons why costs will be so much higher per seat?
So roughly twice the capacity and just under 3 times the price. Any reasons why costs will be so much higher per seat?
Because it’s going to be a significantly more modern stadium with better facilities than Everton’s basic “copy and paste” effort.
Like a non leaky roof?
Be awesome to have a brand new 100k seater stadium, so that people from all over the world can pay lots of money to come see us play like shite and lose 
Everton’s stadium is larger and more modern than Goodison but by modern standards it’s pretty basic. Such a shame to lose Goodison for 12,000 extra seats but they need it.
The stadium Radcliffe wants is an all singing and dancing money making machine with bars, restaurants and retail. The stadium itself is likely to be far more complicated to build to house 100k as I’d imagine problems arise when trying to accommodate that number of fans in multi tiered stands while trying to keep it looking smart.
The stadium Radcliffe wants is an all singing and dancing money making machine with bars, restaurants and retail. The stadium itself is likely to be far more complicated to build to house 100k as I’d imagine problems arise when trying to accommodate that number of fans in multi tiered stands while trying to keep it looking smart.
Everton's new ground is shite. Looks like one of the generic grounds you get on FIFA on Pro Evo.
Regarding the bit in bold. What this actually means is hospitality packages for several hundreds of pounds per games and forcing the last remaining "traditional" fans out.
I've said this before but the food and drink offering at OT is appalling unless you pay for hospitality. I know he's about marginal gains etc but I'd love to know if he's exploring this. You could increase revenue by millions over the course of a season if you sold some decent scran and beer that wasn't fecking carling or Doom Bar.
I am very curious where we get the money for this?
Can’t afford it whilst trying to revamp that squad.
The Glazers won’t pay so I can’t see Jim doing so, Inoes have 10 billion pounds worth of debt, where’s it going to come from?
Naming rights?
Can’t afford it whilst trying to revamp that squad.
The Glazers won’t pay so I can’t see Jim doing so, Inoes have 10 billion pounds worth of debt, where’s it going to come from?
Naming rights?
This and selling off MUTV, directors boxes, stretford end, and the toilets
Why? Wasn't at the test event yesterday but from what I read everyone is buzzing and the photos/videos looked excellent.
It's probably fine but it just looks a bit samey.
There's nothing unique about any modern grounds now.
Fair enough. I guess that's the price we pay though in order to maximise financial and commercial opportunities.
Jim is excellent at "selling words". This 2B stadium has to be funded from somewhere, looking at our state of the club hoovering around relegation we will not be able to fund the stadium from investors, no one would want to pay 2b for a club in the in 15th to 17th position and possibly relegation battle next season.
Little bits will still be added to get the atmosphere up. It's designed in a way so that there can be safe standing implementation, room for expansion and comfort.
Yeah and the views of game will be fantastic.. Apparently your new ground has the steepest stands in the country..they're not the tallest stands but they're 35° - the maximum. That said it's such a shame Everton are moving away from Goodison. I get clubs need modern facilities but stadia don't have to be comfortable... Fulham's Johnny Haynes Stand has pillars and wooden seats but it must be a fantastic experience to watch a game from there.
You can paint it, shine it, wax it anyway you want, the most important things are that it gives the team and its fans the best experience. One of the major points related to this, for the team and fans, acoustics. They are an absolute priority. The game day atmosphere needs to be ramped up to the max so a real home advantage can be felt by opposing teams when they walk out to face United. It needs to become a fortress, not a pleasure dome for visitors. I was pleased to hear that the visit to L.A. took place, where the research party took in many of the features of the SoFi stadium. It has incredible design with regards to the acoustics, giving the maximum effect when home fans create noise. United, as we know, need all the help they can get. A great stadium that is imposing for away teams, is a must and will go a long way toward giving the edge to the home side again.
Yeah, I was reading about how steep it is and some people a tad concerned about last minute winners or equalisers.
I really like Everton’s new stadium it looks great
Yeah, I was reading about how steep it is and some people a tad concerned about last minute winners or equalisers.
Yeah I was surprised it was as steep. I bet you'll love the new ground, to be fair. How do you feel about it?
Mixed. It's sad to leave Goodison as when you're in there with a full house and the players are on it, the atmosphere is incredible. The crammed nature where you're on top of the pitch and each other at times is great fun. In turn though, that's the downside and why for the future of the club we need to move. Hopefully it helps us financially enough that we become as sustainable as possible and solidify ourselves in the league, stop worrying about relegation and start thinking about trying to win a trophy!
Not only on the pitch are United now mid table, it's interesting to just look at other stadiums in the country and apart from sheer number of seats at Old Trafford, many stadiums in the Prem are now better/newer. Which you couldn't say 20 years ago.
All comes back to the Glazers being the ultimate scum.
All comes back to the Glazers being the ultimate scum.
Interesting you mention a trophy win. city aside, out of all the Premier League clubs that have moved grounds, are any in a undeniably better position on and off the pitch since moving?
Suppose you could look at Leicester but even now, they look in danger of becoming something of a yo-yo team.
It took Arsenal 16 years at the Emirates before they have regularly started challenging for the title again.
I'll give you Brentford but they were on an upward trajectory anyway and needed to move because of regulations.
Maybe West Ham at a push but their new ground is hated by most of their matchgoing fans. The longer term impact of that move remains to be seen.
Spurs are making more money now but are still very Spursy on the pitch.
Derby and Southampton moved in the early 00s and have both spent time in the 3rd tier since.
Annoyingly for us both, it genuinely feels likes Liverpool’s policy of redeveloping Anfield has been the best option for them.
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If the financial situation is as dire as is being made out then the plans should be shelved.
Where would the debt of a £2 billion stadium sit exactly? We can’t afford another £100 million in annual interest payments a year.
Where would the debt of a £2 billion stadium sit exactly? We can’t afford another £100 million in annual interest payments a year.
Definitely not. A new stadium would allow the club to grow its revenue - especially as TV revenue had now largely plateaued.
Wembley hosts more gigs than it does football matches.
OT, despite being the biggest club ground in the country, is not even being selected for the Euros.
The future of sustainable growth is to have a multipurpose stadium, rather than being in use for 30 days per year.
A new stadium is essential, and you can easily project the ROI on the capital investment.
I'd like to see the sums from the club here.
Old Trafford needs work but I'll never be convinced that this can't be done through renovations to the current ground.
There's also plenty to be done in the short term that could bring in more revenue.
And I'm not sure why, even in its current state, we can't hold concerts there. Rolling Stones played a few years ago didn't they?
It’s nothing really special. If you compare the concourse and the facilities at the Spurs stadium they’re worlds apart.
Everton’s new gaff is just a new stadium, which is (in theory but not for me) better than Goodison. Larger stands, unobstructed views, much larger concourses etc. it brings them up to date but from the countless videos I’ve seen it’s nothing phenomenal.
One thing I do like is that it’s got safe standing in the lower tier that was open.
If and when we get a new stadium both ends behind the goal should have this for our standing fans.
It could be done through significant renovations - which would almost be synonymous with a new ground. Either way, at least £1bn needs to be spent. The club need this capital investment to become competitive again.
I would imagine there are some big access challenges in holding gigs at OT. Stages get erected very quickly these days, and I would think promotors are put off if it takes additional build time at the ground.
There were reports back when the sale process was ongoing that any new debt taken on by INEOS they’d put on their company and not the football club. I guess we’ll find out whether that was a load of bollocks to appease the fans or if it was genuine.
Has anyone done the maths of the yearly repayment vs likely income from a new stadium?
I don’t want to leave Old Trafford. It’s a bit shit and I love it but have resigned myself to the fact that the new stadium is happening.
If it will make us money on a yearly basis that wouldn’t be too bad. It would make a soulless bowl catered to tourists a bit better to swallow.
I also have no problem with selling naming rights to it. I would be totally against it for Old Trafford but the new stadium wouldn’t bother me
I'm not that arsed about it really. I have the memories of my first game at Old Trafford in 1969, and it is vastly different to all the permutations of it since. I was in the open end (scoreboard) in the rain, so what is the constant grumbling about leaky roofs,
New stadium/revamped stadium ... it doesn't really matter. Just give me a team with heart and pride.
New stadium/revamped stadium ... it doesn't really matter. Just give me a team with heart and pride.
Again, I'd also like to see the sums here.
Pretty much every club aside from maybe city and Leicester that have moved grounds seemingly use the "we're paying off the ground" excuse when it comes to lack of activity in the transfer market.
I said elsewhere in this thread that Arsenal took 16/17 years in the Emirates before they started to challenge for the title again.
Spurs may be making more money now but again, that's yet to translate into success on the pitch.
You could even argue that it took city getting an entire country buying them before they were able to take advantage of their new facilities etc.
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