Love the circus tent design, very fitting for the clowns that run the place
New Stadium | 100k Stadium to be built - design visualisation released
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Except it doesn't, it's losing money quicker than they can make it
No one has said football won’t be the main focus though or said it’s going to be like Disneyland. A few restaurants, bars, flats around the stadium doesn’t mean we’re losing any of that side of it to me.
But you’re right, match going fans will have their own ideas on what they like and that’s fair enough.
Assuming this all goes ahead, what are the chances that the final build looks anything like the concept art or is it one of those things where it keeps getting chopped and changed until you end up with something that looks significantly more mundane?
Is this even gonna happen soon? With how bad the finances seem to be right now don't see how this could even be something remotely affordable right now
United hope to start building this year and are aiming to be in the new ground for the start of the 2030/2031 season.
The stand opposite the Stretford end should be called the ‘Glazers End’.
Our current cash situation is short term and separate entirely from the stadium project.
Our financial issues are a little bit seperate from stuff like this. Buying players might be tough at the moment because of FFP and cash flow, but for a big project it'll be funded by a combination of private investment (where they profit in some way) loans (hopefully not too much) and perhaps some kind of government grant.
Meh glad yall confident but believe it when I see it ha
Fair enough, we've become used to things not working out in the last several years!
Have they said if they'll be selling off most of the land that the club currently owns around OT?
It's growing on me massively since I very first saw the renders.
It will be iconic not just for the club but for the city of Manchester and will transform the skyline too.
I love how bold and ambitious it is to be honest. We have enough red brick in Manchester as it is, who wants more of it? The biggest club in the world deserves the best stadium in the world.
Please get it built. I just hope the lack of ambition by our politicians, towards the north West, doesn’t somehow throw a spanner in the works.
It will be iconic not just for the club but for the city of Manchester and will transform the skyline too.
I love how bold and ambitious it is to be honest. We have enough red brick in Manchester as it is, who wants more of it? The biggest club in the world deserves the best stadium in the world.
Please get it built. I just hope the lack of ambition by our politicians, towards the north West, doesn’t somehow throw a spanner in the works.
Deary me
Won't they be building the stadium on it?
Scope creep like this is kinda absurd to me
It’s a new stadium. We’re not solving for all the imbalances of wealth in society here bud
Collette Roche talking at yesterday's Q&A
Q: Compulsory purchase orders within their power?
CR: "They can do that but that takes time, so I am not suggesting that is the route we want to go down. We are looking and working with all the local people around the area to try and build a plan that works for them and us. Up to now, all the local landholders have been positive and have engaged with us about how we can make it happen."
It sounds like they're expecting a fair bit of land buying, selling and swaps so everyone ends up with the plots they want most.
Interesting Q&A actually Colette Roche and Omar Berrada Bernie questioned at the London launch for the project. The MEN transcript is at:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/every-word-omar-berrada-collette-31178835
All very basic outline replies, but picking up on things like whether they'll have to close part of the current Old Trafford during the build. Whether we'll build a mini-stadium for the women's and youth teams. What's going to happen to the current OT. What about sponsors, funding, naming rights - generic replies with no names etc mentioned of course but gives an idea of the prep work that's underway.
We can do things in the stadium land development that other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space.
Are they tearing down OT while they build it. Where would united be playing when the stadium is gone?
History can be an anchor sometimes. This club needs to lean into the future more than the past.
Maybe impale their heads on the spikes for the grand opening.
Yes but they own quite a bit of land around OT. They won't be building the new stadium on all of it, plus it looks like Old Trafford will be demolished.
Thanks, that's interesting.
How can they be so sure that building will start at the end of the year?
We’re playing at Old Trafford until we can move into the new one. Then you knock Old Trafford down and build those flats etc in its place.
We'll apparently be playing at the current OT while the build is underway. The footprints of the two stadia don't actually overlap.
The gap between them as they're currently drawn isn't big though - so they are looking at access. Building sites need security fences and safety zones and those will change as the build goes on.
They won't know how tricky a problem they've got until the detail work on the design and the building schedule is done. From what they've said/shown so far I guess it wouldn't be a surprise if they had to close the NW quadrant for part of the build.
If the three spires represent the trident, why not make the tips in the shape of the trident forks?
What about making the roof and spires red? Or, roof yellow, spires red?
What about making the roof and spires red? Or, roof yellow, spires red?
just thinking about this makes me laugh, it would be like a childs drawing.The walkway towards the stadium is the pole of the trident. When you notice this is does like like the one one our crest. I like it.
They can't. That's when they think the physical build could start if the government funded infrastructure work gets the go ahead to start soon.
They think they can get the detail designs and funding plans ready in that kind of time.
I'm open to the criticism that the trident is abomination but upon first impression I like what I see. But I'm actually more interested in how it looks inside the stadium, including the fan accommodations away from the pitch, than I am the view of the stadium from afar. I'm not ready to say it's brilliant, but this design is much better than I ever would have expected.
Yeh I hear your point.
But Football for away fans should be, at the every least, a poor experience. Away fans should dread going to grounds not necessarily because it’s hostile (my choice of words were poor) but just generally horrible/unpleasant.
Currently at least, away fans at the moment have to walk down Warwick Road full of United fans to the rather unattractive turnstiles they enter in.
The idea of them knowing they are turning up to Disneyland Paris theme park, filled with families having picnics who have no interest in football, with kids running round hugging Fred the red and thousands there because they are seeing Ariana Grande perform there the following day kinda makes it all feel a bit of a fairyland.
Now if there was plans in place where the away fans could only enter into one specific closed off corner and were provided with basic toilet facilities and a poxy overpriced bar, where they could reap no benefits from the overall experience us home fans would have I would be more for it. But I can’t see this being the case.
Call me old fashioned, but football is about rivalries and I don’t want any Liverpool fans turning up and having a good time at our gaff, that thought disgusts me.
It was always going to be sad when we finally left Old Trafford, Accepting we aren’t going to renovate our historical home and will build new is already heartbreaking, but can be accepted, but to not be solely focusing the new stadium on just football and the loyal supporters is actually just wrong.
To me, it seems the owners are selling a dream - to cover up this is nothing but clear financial gain for them (that they won’t recycle back into the club) - and so many supporters are buying it.
Just my opinion of course.
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Feels really petty to me to give away fans shittier toilets and bad catering in order to try to make the experience horrible for them. We're all football fans at the end of the day and making someone's experience horrible reeks of all the things I dislike about football culture. I want to have a good comfortable time when I go to an away game and I want my club to give that to away fans too in return. I enjoy a healthy rivalry and obviously always want us to beat them but Liverpool fans having a good time really disgusts you? They're the same as us they just support a different team.. The only way their experience should be horrible is if they feel like that because we beat them. That other stuff is just small time.
I’m a match-going fan, and think it looks great, for what it’s worth. Not sure there any real split based on those that attend matches, or those that don’t, as some suggest.
I've a feeling we'll get a watered down version in the future.
The trident and umbrella part will be removed and we'll get the big bowl with something unique done to the facade which represents the history.
The financials make sense so it won't be difficult to finance. You can borrow off guaranteed future revenue. We're one of the biggest sports clubs in the world and that won't change.
The regeneration of the area with 17,000 homes is dependent on government funding so may never happen or will happen piecemeal and very slowly.
They might realise they still need those car and bus parking spaces to transport 100,000 people in and out quickly also so they're don't be space for all those homes.
Norman Foster said he didn't want it to be a fortress surrounded by car parks but we might end up with that.
Sorry to put a damper on things.
The trident and umbrella part will be removed and we'll get the big bowl with something unique done to the facade which represents the history.
The financials make sense so it won't be difficult to finance. You can borrow off guaranteed future revenue. We're one of the biggest sports clubs in the world and that won't change.
The regeneration of the area with 17,000 homes is dependent on government funding so may never happen or will happen piecemeal and very slowly.
They might realise they still need those car and bus parking spaces to transport 100,000 people in and out quickly also so they're don't be space for all those homes.
Norman Foster said he didn't want it to be a fortress surrounded by car parks but we might end up with that.
Sorry to put a damper on things.
That it will be watered down is a given. That's probably 99% of projects in this world - unless you're a straight up real estate money laundering place like Miami or have infinite oil wealth like a Dubai. That's also though why shooting for the stars in these things makes sense. It's supposed to attract attention and investors. Cant do that when it's mediocre to start. Not with projects of this magnitude.
They'll start building the pre-fabricated stuff first, that can be started way ahead of doing anything on the actual land it'll end up on
I’m not sure it’s petty but more of a small margins and large gains type of thing. A lot of football dressing rooms over the years were developed so away teams had things against them. Like, non working showers, rooms designed in a ‘L’ shape so half the players couldn’t see each other, therefore losing togetherness. Ferguson himself specified on ‘small wins’ to gain advantages, e.g he told his players to surround the referee when decisions went against us.
Liverpool fans having a good time at our ground does disgust me. Not them as people, I have many friends who are Liverpool fans and in the pub after I have no problems with them. But I don’t want them to enjoy their visit to our stadium and I don’t think it’s too inhumane to give away fans a shitty end of the deal, where they have basic but not unsatisfactory facilities.
I’ve been to enough away grounds myself to know how it feels to be going to a stadium where the experience isn’t nice, St James’ park and Elland Road to name a couple and it’s a little ‘one up’ for them before you’ve even arrived at the ground, so although you personally, may see it as petty, and it may only gain us 3 points a season, a total of 2 or less points has been the difference between 1st and 2nd, in 10 seasons in the premier league.
It is petty, you can't spin it any other way, it doesn't matter what anyone else does, we should be better than that, otherwise we're just as big a set of arseholes as everyone else
Okay so let’s say it is. Would you be against being so to win the league? I certainly wouldn’t. Ferguson was extremely petty throughout his whole career, more so than anyone.
I’m not sure why you are so hung up on petty behaviour being such an abominable crime anyway. In a world where Arsenal have been labelled as cheats on the pitch, City are called cheats off it and Chelsea being called ‘Oil club’ There’s a lot worse things to be called than petty.
You’ll never win anything playing nice.