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Ivor Ballokov

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So my pc went kaput last night and I'm now looking to get a new one and I thought I'd get some help from you guys.

Things I've got:
Monitor
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers
Windows 7

What I need:
Everything else

I've got a price range of between £400 - 600.

Help
 
Get a good processor like an i5 or even a Phenom X4.

GPU: HD 5850 is great but might be out of budget so depending on what resolution you playing on you could get a HD 5770 too which is a very good card.

RAM: Straightforward.
 
if your uk based (might ship other places not sure), check out overclockers.co.uk
 
Why not fix your existing one?

It's about 5 years old and isn't really worth salvaging, it's become slow and bothersome in it's old age. A bit like its owner.

Get a good processor like an i5 or even a Phenom X4.

GPU: HD 5850 is great but might be out of budget so depending on what resolution you playing on you could get a HD 5770 too which is a very good card.

RAM: Straightforward.

Cheers, that gives me a starting point. Looks to be about £260 for the two on ebuyer.
 
It's about 5 years old and isn't really worth salvaging, it's become slow and bothersome in it's old age. A bit like its owner.



Cheers, that gives me a starting point. Looks to be about £260 for the two on ebuyer.

Only 260? Well you can do better then. Go get an i7 or the hexa core AMD processor Phenom X6 and/or get one of the high end Radeon cards like a HD 5870 or the like :D
 
Only 260? Well you can do better then. Go get an i7 or the hexa core AMD processor Phenom X6 and/or get one of the high end Radeon cards like a HD 5870 or the like :D

Was just looking on overclockers and they have this which is just outside my top budget

"Titan Exodus" Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz @ 4.00GHz Quad Core DDR3 System []

Would it be worth the guilt of my family not getting christmas presents this year to get it over something like this?

"Titan Punisher" Intel Core i3 540 3.06GHz @ 4.20GHz DDR3 System []
 
Systems & Bundles » Gamer - Titan » Intel - Overclockers UK

Overclockers product list for those who are kind enough to take a gander for me.

pc config
Component Description Price
CPU AMD Phenon II X4 955Be
Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-785GMT
GPU Zotac GTX460 1GB GDDR5
RAM Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3 1600MHz
Monitor BenQ G2220
Case CM Elite 430
PSU Corsair VX450
ODD LG GH22NS50

i would suggest this rig for you.should be in your range.

Oh and I just recieved this pm from a newbie by the name of unitedmysoul.
 
Oh and I just recieved this pm from a newbie by the name of unitedmysoul.
That's pretty good. How much?
Was just looking on overclockers and they have this which is just outside my top budget

"Titan Exodus" Intel Core i5 760 2.80GHz @ 4.00GHz Quad Core DDR3 System []

Would it be worth the guilt of my family not getting christmas presents this year to get it over something like this?

"Titan Punisher" Intel Core i3 540 3.06GHz @ 4.20GHz DDR3 System []

Oh the i5 one is certainly good but the GPU that their giving for the price is a HD 5570 which is nothing great. To get better GPU's their significantly adding to the price. For example it's another 40 pounds if you want to put an HD 5770 and 217 for a HD 5870 etc.

What kind of usage are you looking at? I recently bought a PC and needed to fit it into budget so I put in an i3 instead of the i5 but got a better GPU. And it works brilliantly for me. If gaming your just going to use for surfing, movies and gaming then an i3 is a good enough option but pick up a good GPU.
 
That's pretty good. How much?

He didn't have a price for me but I'm going to try and price it up if I can.

Oh the i5 one is certainly good but the GPU that their giving for the price is a HD 5570 which is nothing great. To get better GPU's their significantly adding to the price. For example it's another 40 pounds if you want to put an HD 5770 and 217 for a HD 5870 etc.

Misread it as 5770 sorry.

What kind of usage are you looking at? I recently bought a PC and needed to fit it into budget so I put in an i3 instead of the i5 but got a better GPU. And it works brilliantly for me. If gaming your just going to use for surfing, movies and gaming then an i3 is a good enough option but pick up a good GPU.

Nobody has asked him the most important question yet.

What will you be using it for?

Well that's the thing I'll use it for whatever I can get away with. At a bare minimum I use it for a lot of browsing and streaming, watching movies/tv/ huge music collection, fiddling about with photoshop (nothing intensive) and 3 games Football manager, Rome Total War and Sim City. I know playing the latest fps' for example are out of my price range and that's not so bad as I've a ps3 too but being able to run FM2011 (smoothly and with a lot of leagues running) and the newer total wars/civilisations etc would be my wants and anything else a bonus so I can explore other genres and series. As I said I'm open to whatever I can get, I've never been into pc gaming much (apart from the above) because my pcs have never been able to handle too much.

Should have put that in the opening post really! :lol:
 
Well that's the thing I'll use it for whatever I can get away with. At a bare minimum I use it for a lot of browsing and streaming, watching movies/tv/ huge music collection, fiddling about with photoshop (nothing intensive) and 3 games Football manager, Rome Total War and Sim City. I know playing the latest fps' for example are out of my price range and that's not so bad as I've a ps3 too but being able to run FM2011 (smoothly and with a lot of leagues running) and the newer total wars/civilisations etc would be my wants and anything else a bonus so I can explore other genres and series. As I said I'm open to whatever I can get, I've never been into pc gaming much (apart from the above) because my pcs have never been able to handle too much.

Should have put that in the opening post really! :lol:
You seem to be in the same situation I was some months back. had a horrible horrible PC which did not really let me play anything I wanted.

Ok the setup I have is Intel i3 (not even overclocked), HD 5770 1GB and 2GB DDR3 RAM.

And this itself is more than enough to play just about any game right now. I have a 21 inch monitor and everything from FM 11 to FIFA to PES to all your fps' like Black Ops and stuff like F1 2010, absolutely everything works really well. If you were to take an i5 and a better card than the 5770 as well you would have no issue playing on higher resolutions whatsoever.
 
You seem to be in the same situation I was some months back. had a horrible horrible PC which did not really let me play anything I wanted.

Ok the setup I have is Intel i3 (not even overclocked), HD 5770 1GB and 2GB DDR3 RAM.

And this itself is more than enough to play just about any game right now. I have a 21 inch monitor and everything from FM 11 to FIFA to PES to all your fps' like Black Ops and stuff like F1 2010, absolutely everything works really well. If you were to take an i5 and a better card than the 5770 as well you would have no issue playing on higher resolutions whatsoever.

Yeah it's a bitch when you have mates rubbing it in your nose too.

Would you suggest that this is decent value then

"Titan Punisher" Intel Core i3 540 3.06GHz @ 4.20GHz DDR3 System []

with an upgrade to the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5570 it is £581.61

It's plugged in to my 26 inch tv as I use it to watch all my movies etc on, probably not good for the eyes though. It doesn't have to be overclockers btw, just heard good things of them.

Really appreciate your help here mate.
 
custom build from overclockers

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you can save 50 quid by getting this processor "AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition". Only the i7 is better but that'll cost you a packet.

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Get this

"Titan Decimator" AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1055T 95W Edition 2.80GHz @ 3.80GHz DDR3 System []

and select the 5770 as your graphics card

and this one is cheaper

"Titan Krypt" AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.00GHz Quad Core DDR3 System []

and choose the same graphics card as the above one.

That first one looks a bit out of my price range at nearly £700.

The second one is lacking in any cooling I'm guessing that is for a reason though, I just don't know what it is. Oh and why AMD over the intel, I know AMD went through a phase of being vastly superior but I thought Intel were now the pace setters.
 
That first one looks a bit out of my price range at nearly £700.

The second one is lacking in any cooling I'm guessing that is for a reason though, I just don't know what it is. Oh and why AMD over the intel, I know AMD went through a phase of being vastly superior but I thought Intel were now the pace setters.

In my opinion, they still are. However, you pay the premium this brings. Once you're talking quad core (specifically 3.00 GhZ) and the damn thing works, nothing else is relevant. Maybe in about five years (maybe even more?) you'll see a difference between the Intel and AMD's but right now they'll rarely be stretched by applications.

I suppose the other way to explain this is by saying "I thought an in-form Torres was the best striker in the world, why have you bought Drogba?". If you're playing against Barnet (League Two) the difference in quality will be relatively insignificant. By the time they're playing Arsenal you'll notice the difference though. Does that make sense or have I just clouded things further? :lol:
 
That first one looks a bit out of my price range at nearly £700.

The second one is lacking in any cooling I'm guessing that is for a reason though, I just don't know what it is. Oh and why AMD over the intel, I know AMD went through a phase of being vastly superior but I thought Intel were now the pace setters.

with intel taking out numerous motherboards for every new processor chances are in the future you'll have to buy a shit load more to upgrade while with amd you'll just have to change the processor. plus that amd processor is fast.

if you want intel then the rival to x6 1090t is i5-750. i5-750 is better for gaming while x6 1090t is better for multi threaded applications,video encoding etc but you'll be getting a graphics card so buying a processor purely because of gaming isn't clever when you're also getting a graphics card.
 
In my opinion, they still are. However, you pay the premium this brings. Once you're talking quad core (specifically 3.00 GhZ) and the damn thing works, nothing else is relevant. Maybe in about five years (maybe even more?) you'll see a difference between the Intel and AMD's but right now they'll rarely be stretched by applications.

I suppose the other way to explain this is by saying "I thought an in-form Torres was the best striker in the world, why have you bought Drogba?". If you're playing against Barnet (League Two) the difference in quality will be relatively insignificant. By the time they're playing Arsenal you'll notice the difference though. Does that make sense or have I just clouded things further? :lol:

No no that actually makes perfect sense to me now and I absolutely love the analogy. What I have at the minute is probably a disabled franco di santo then.

Would you care to throw your hat in with a suggestion on which system would be best? Seems a good idea to get as many opinions as possible for such a big investment.
 
with intel taking out numerous motherboards for every new processor chances are in the future you'll have to buy a shit load more to upgrade while with amd you'll just have to change the processor. plus that amd processor is fast.

if you want intel then the rival to x6 1090t is i5-750. i5-750 is better for gaming while x6 1090t is better for multi threaded applications,video encoding etc but you'll be getting a graphics card so buying a processor purely because of gaming isn't clever when you're also getting a graphics card.

Ah right I see cheers for explaining that to me, i'm trying to learn on the go. I'm certainly leaning towards AMD now as it seems to be better value and that is hugely important here as I'm on a tight budget.

Is that last one you posted from ocuk as Avarice suggested?
 
Ah right I see cheers for explaining that to me, i'm trying to learn on the go. I'm certainly leaning towards AMD now as it seems to be better value and that is hugely important here as I'm on a tight budget.

Is that last one you posted from ocuk as Avarice suggested?

intel are the pace setters with i7 but its also fecking expensive. amd aren't even competing with i7 they are competing with i3 and i5. ive already told you that i5 is better for gaming while the 1090t is better for applications.

If you want something even cheaper then get AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 Black Edition.

do you mean the custom build ? its from overclockers
 
One more thing i forgot to mention!!

If you get an amd processor then you'll have to buy an amd motherboard (i think you already know that). And if you get the 5770 graphics card which also happens to be from amd then you get a bonus meaning you can have a "hybrid crossfire". The amd motherboard ive listed has 4200 gpu which you can combine with the 5770 in a hybrid crossfire.

Im not fully certain though and its only appealing to people with shit graphics cards.
 
You seem to be in the same situation I was some months back. had a horrible horrible PC which did not really let me play anything I wanted.

I see you've gained plenty of knowledge since then. :smirk:
 
Excellent. I feared I was just making things worse and opening them up to more debate! I like how to stated "disabled Franco Di Santo", somehow insinuating that there's another type out there in the wild.

I'll be honest here and say that I'm not too clued up on building a system. I know about individual parts (mainly processors, RAM, graphics cards and hard drives) but other important components (like the cooling system) are beyond me. Plus, I'm not clued up on other imperative parts of the build, like compatibility and motherboards. Therefore my opinion should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Saying that though, I'm not too sure on the builds you're being given here. Firstly, you had recommendations before people even knew what you wanted/required. Sort of counter-intuitive. From what you've said you don't actually need a particularly monstrous PC so how people are managing to push your budget is a tad silly.

For example; I played the FM11 demo (and know for a fact it's really not that graphically intense), I play R:TW to this very day too (it's such an epic game and you win my respect for playing) and I also play SimCity3000. I do this on my laptop which has a T9300 processor and GeForce 8700M GT graphics card. Compare the stats on those to the stats on the stuff being recommended to you. I ran FM11 flawlessly, run with lag when battling in R:TW with highest unit size and large armies (about 15 units) with the battle set to triple speed and even the most modern SimCity could be easily handled by my laptop. Honestly, easily.

Beyond that, like you said, you have a PS3 for video games so your only real graphical concern is having an HD video card. My graphics card can do this. I feel this is the sort of realism that's not been mentioned yet!

I also use PS with minimal lag when dealing with large images. TV and movies we covered in the Graphics bit and music doesn't really matter much in this debate. :D

As for the newer TW's and Civ's, again, my PC can easily handle them. I don't think it'd manage to run them on the highest settings but mid-settings would run lag free I reckon.

I know I've sort of opened another can of worms up for you but hopefully this has put some things into perspective. You could easily achieve your aims be spending about £300, if that. From there you can build up. As long as you don't cheap out on the processor you'll be fine.

EDIT: Was quoting this post but doing so much that it took an age to post it up:

No no that actually makes perfect sense to me now and I absolutely love the analogy. What I have at the minute is probably a disabled franco di santo then.

Would you care to throw your hat in with a suggestion on which system would be best? Seems a good idea to get as many opinions as possible for such a big investment.
 
I know I've sort of opened another can of worms up for you but hopefully this has put some things into perspective. You could easily achieve your aims be spending about £300, if that. From there you can build up. As long as you don't cheap out on the processor you'll be fine.

Yes he can! I suggested a friend a machine for around 300 quid that can play all the latest games at decent settings, play hd movies, use photoshop etc at good speeds.

Here are the specs:

Processor - AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-74GMT-S2
GPU - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5750 1GB or 5670 (its even cheaper)
RAM - Kingston 2GB 1333 DDR3
HD - Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200.12
Case - Cooler Master Elite 430
PSU - CORSAIR 450VX
CD/DVD - LG GH22LS50

Edit: It comes exactly to 300 quid. dont know about uk prices but if you convert from us dollars then it exactly comes to £300.
 
Excellent. I feared I was just making things worse and opening them up to more debate! I like how to stated "disabled Franco Di Santo", somehow insinuating that there's another type out there in the wild.

Well I've seen Franco Di Santo chase a ball whereas my PC no longer runs at all.

(I now feel like a fully fledged geek after making a computer pun)
 
You have both got me thinking now (in a good way). My main worry would be I suppose that if I were to get the lower end system I'd be having to spend on it again next year. I guess what I'm trying to do is get the best out of both worlds with performance and lifetime at a medium budget. Apologies for my awkwardness guys :D

Also I spotted this Vida

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM 1yr Warranty (ST31500341AS) [ST31500341AS]

seems to me to be the same as the one you posted with bigger memory but for the same price.
 
Yes he can! I suggested a friend a machine for around 300 quid that can play all the latest games at decent settings plus play hd movies.

Here are the specs:

Processor - AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-74GMT-S2
GPU - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5750 1GB or 5670 (its even cheaper)
RAM - Kingston 2GB 1333 DDR3
HD - 500 GB Seagate 7200.12
Case - Cooler Master Elite 430
PSU - CORSAIR 450VX
CD/DVD - LG GH22LS50

Like I said, I don't know huge amounts about various components so I'll trust you on this one! Given what Ivor's said he needs the machine for I think this is the first machine that actually meets his needs. If he took this as a basic starting point and then built up from here I think it'd be better. Thoughts? The only thing I disagree with so far is that people are pushing the budget despite this machine being all that he asked for!

Well I've seen Franco Di Santo chase a ball whereas my PC no longer runs at all.

(I now feel like a fully fledged geek after making a computer pun)

Fair enough. Enjoy the moment. It'll come crashing around you when you realise you can't talk to women.
 
You have both got me thinking now (in a good way). My main worry would be I suppose that if I were to get the lower end system I'd be having to spend on it again next year. I guess what I'm trying to do is get the best out of both worlds with performance and lifetime at a medium budget. Apologies for my awkwardness guys :D

Also I spotted this Vida

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM 1yr Warranty (ST31500341AS) [ST31500341AS]

seems to me to be the same as the one you posted with bigger memory but for the same price.

Beware of Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB hard drive - SlashGear

I posted the 7200.12 whilst the one you've posted is 7200.11.

I think the 300 quid machine i posted would suit your needs fine. Adding another stick of 2gb ram wouldn't hurt either.
 
You have both got me thinking now (in a good way). My main worry would be I suppose that if I were to get the lower end system I'd be having to spend on it again next year. I guess what I'm trying to do is get the best out of both worlds with performance and lifetime at a medium budget. Apologies for my awkwardness guys :D

Also I spotted this Vida

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM 1yr Warranty (ST31500341AS) [ST31500341AS]

seems to me to be the same as the one you posted with bigger memory but for the same price.

I bought my system Feb 2009 and it's nowhere needing an upgrade. Put it this way, people are still buying inferior computers from PC World and the like to this very day. There's no real problem with buying the lower-end system (which isn't "lower-end" in the grand scheme of things) in this sense. Equally, like I said, it's just a good frame to start from. Maybe splash a bit more on a processor (and motherboard, if necessary) and so on.

The crux of what I was saying is that everyone constantly pushing your budget was damaging your pocket for no reason. :)


IIRC they fixed that with a firmware update two weeks later, right? The firmware was only available for certain people but the problem was solved for them. Hardware compatibility? By now hardware would be compatible anyway?
 
Like I said, I don't know huge amounts about various components so I'll trust you on this one! Given what Ivor's said he needs the machine for I think this is the first machine that actually meets his needs. If he took this as a basic starting point and then built up from here I think it'd be better. Thoughts? The only thing I disagree with so far is that people are pushing the budget despite this machine being all that he asked for!

Yeah I think we're certainly on the right tracks with starting from a lower point. I'm pretty much in the hands of you guys here as although I'm pretty decent fiddling about with software I'm at a loss with hardware.

Fair enough. Enjoy the moment. It'll come crashing around you when you realise you can't talk to women.

talking to women has never really been a problem for me, getting them to answer back is my issue.
 
Like I said, I don't know huge amounts about various components so I'll trust you on this one! Given what Ivor's said he needs the machine for I think this is the first machine that actually meets his needs. If he took this as a basic starting point and then built up from here I think it'd be better. Thoughts? The only thing I disagree with so far is that people are pushing the budget despite this machine being all that he asked for!

Since he stated in the first post he was willing to splash £600 so people started posting machines around that figure. I agree with you that he doesn't really need such a powerfull machine. I have a old q6600 processor with a p55 motherboard and i can play all the games at max settings but i have the monstrous 5850 graphics card. I recently upgraded my other computer with the amd x4 processor and gigabyte motherboard (ive suggested him the same) and it has a older 4670 graphics card but i can still play crysis and gta4 at decent settings.
 
I bought my system Feb 2009 and it's nowhere needing an upgrade. Put it this way, people are still buying inferior computers from PC World and the like to this very day. There's no real problem with buying the lower-end system (which isn't "lower-end" in the grand scheme of things) in this sense. Equally, like I said, it's just a good frame to start from. Maybe splash a bit more on a processor (and motherboard, if necessary) and so on.

The crux of what I was saying is that everyone constantly pushing your budget was damaging your pocket for no reason. :)

Amen to that, looks like you're going to save me a hefty packet here for which I can't tell you how grateful I am.



IIRC they fixed that with a firmware update two weeks later, right? The firmware was only available for certain people but the problem was solved for them. Hardware compatibility? By now hardware would be compatible anyway?

So is it a bargain then or are they just pushing dodgy stock at low prices?

Since he stated in the first post he was willing to splash £600 so people started posting machines around that figure. I agree with you that he doesn't really need such a powerfull machine. I have a old q6600 processor with a p55 motherboard and i can play all the games at max settings but i have the monstrous 5850 graphics card. I recently upgraded my other computer with the amd x4 processor and gigabyte motherboard (ive suggested him the same) and it has a older 4670 graphics card but i can still play crysis and gta4 at decent settings.

£600 was just a figure of what I could push too financially, was probably a little misleading but wasn't really sure of what I could get for my money.I'll take a look at that one you mentioned with the amd x4 on overclockers now and I'll get a price on it.
 
problem with overclockers is that they dont have all the models listed on there site.
 
Since he stated in the first post he was willing to splash £600 so people started posting machines around that figure. I agree with you that he doesn't really need such a powerfull machine. I have a old q6600 processor with a p55 motherboard and i can play all the games at max settings but i have the monstrous 5850 graphics card. I recently upgraded my other computer with the amd x4 processor and gigabyte motherboard (ive suggested him the same) and it has a older 4670 graphics card but i can still play crysis and gta4 at decent settings.

But he didn't though :p He said his range was £400-£600 and a bit later stated his necessities. How these were matched to recommendations above £600 was a bit careless really. I'm not having a go so much as hoping that highlighting this might mean people are a bit more careful in the future.

So is it a bargain then or are they just pushing dodgy stock at low prices?



£600 was just a figure of what I could push too financially, was probably a little misleading but wasn't really sure of what I could get for my money.I'll take a look at that one you mentioned with the amd x4 on overclockers now and I'll get a price on it.

Honestly, I don't know. If VidaRed has reason to steer clear then I'd go with that. I'd say to take his word on this over mine. Maybe overnight/tomorrow some other posters with knowledge will be able to help on this specific issue.