New Offside Rule Proposed

"That will sort it out and you will no longer have decisions about millimetres and a fraction of the attacker being in front of the defensive line."

They will just move offside line and nothing else. So we will see again disallowed goals because of one mm. And again people will cry because of 1 mm, 1 cm, 2 cm....

Offside rule is great. Var is great. Don't touch it, ffs.
 
Make the defenders line 4 times thicker than the attackers line when using VAR. Issue solved.

Wengers idea is not plausible in lower leagues with out VAR
 
cyberman said:
Why do we suddenly hate defenders?
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Martin Tyler really wound me up against Chelsea.

He kept spouting on like " we love goals, I can't believe the VAR keeps disallowing them, it doesn't matter if they're illegal! GIVE US GOALS GOALS GOALS!"
 
One Night Only said:
Actually implementing a rule correctly with technology so we decide to change the rule because people don't like the actual rules? Feck off and leave it alone.
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Exactly this. I hate when people cry- "But it was only 1cm". So 1,1cm would be ok? Or 2cm? 3cm maybe...?
 
El Zoido said:
In theory there will be far fewer such decisions though. I don’t know how successful this would be, but I’m curious to see it in action. I think it would make attacking crazy, you’d have forwards pushing for huge advantages. Don’t know if it’ll work but it could be wild.
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There will be the equal amount of decisions. The obvious becomes less obvious and all they do is replace the decisions that become onside from this rule.
Strikers live on defenders shoulders, if they are allowed to push up then thats what theyll do and we are in the exact same position we are in now.
 
Why do all these things (offside, goal line technology etc) get so widely debated only after United benefit from it?

If we’d have had the goal chalked off, there would be no debate
 
For me, until technology can deal with offsides automatically, they either stick with what we have now or go back to the linesman's call. The line has to be somewhere.

If the tech is available, this is what I'd do:

*Sensors all around the pitch
*Insert 2 sensors into all boots, toe and heel
*Change offside rule to include feet only

It would at least be clearcut. It would be significantly quicker to judge offsides and although the feet-only change would need getting used to, I don't see it detracting from the game.
 
Pexbo said:
Unless the entire concept of a millimetre is scrapped, they’re never going to remove the issue of millimetres in the decisions, they just change the point at which it’s measured. You’re still going to have decisions made that will be criticised because the margin was millimetres.

It’s a daft as that Tory education minister plank who said that he wants every student in the nation to achieve above the national average in their maths GCSEs.
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Frightening really how you can have people at the head of FIFA and the government be so genuinely stupid.
 
One Night Only said:
Actually implementing a rule correctly with technology so we decide to change the rule because people don't like the actual rules? Feck off and leave it alone.
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But it's going against the spirit of the rule. It was created with human eye being the judge, it was never considered that one day we would be able to freeze the game and measure peoples toes.

Giroud scored a great goal that would have stood pre-VAR. The offside rule takes something away from the game because it isn't working how originally intended.
 
I don't see any problem with existing rule, only change that should be done is consider only legs for offside, not armpits.
 
Thoughts:

1) It won't change mm decisions at all, the line will just be shifted to give more advantage to the attacker.

2) It would be quite a huge advantage to the attacker.

3) You would imagine that defences will have to adapt by sitting much deeper, particularly on set pieces. That tactical shift might not be beneficial to the game as a whole.
 
I'm coming round to the view that VAR gets most offside decisions correct, I might not like how it is used but I don't believe it has been wrong very often.

To me the main issue is how far back we go to establish if a goal should count. VAR use for offside should be restricted to the goalscorer or player that provided a direct assist. Anything else should be down to the ref and linesman to get right, if they miss something once in a while we should suck it up as part of the greater good. Going back 40 seconds to an innocuous pass that proved to be 3mm offside is what kills supporters.
 
Lynty said:
But it's going against the spirit of the rule. It was created with human eye being the judge, it was never considered that one day we would be able to freeze the game and measure peoples toes.

Giroud scored a great goal that would have stood pre-VAR. The offside rule takes something away from the game because it isn't working how originally intended.
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In this particular case it would have because the linesman missed that it was offside. Another linesman wouldn't have missed it though. It's not like offsides that tight were never given pre-VAR. Hell, even this season we've seen linesmen make tighter calls correctly (presumably by luck as much as skill).

If a linesman had made that call pre-VAR there would have been no issue, it would just have been a good spot. Now it prompts all this angst because it wasn't the linesman who called it.
 
They should just do what Michael Oliver has been doing his entire career and give the decision in favour of the team he thinks the TV audience would prefer.
 
Doesn't solve the basic problem with VAR & offsides. Though it does at least flip the problem from making VAR punishing on attackers to being punishing on defensive lines.

The real issue is that VAR gives super-human (ie computer aided) accuracy to a rule whose spirit was never designed with that in mind. However you tinker with it, you're going end up with the same unsatisfactory situation. Someone's toe being offside is not in the spirit in which the law was made. When the letter of the law contradicts the spirit of the law, you're going to get problems.
 
Awful suggestion from Wenger. Goes too far in the opposite direction and gives too much advantage to the attacking player. Really hope IFAB don't seriously consider this
 
The more I think about it the more I think they should just eyeball the screen for VAR offsides. It keeps the backup to call contentious offsides and removes the millimetre argument. In terms of close calls go with the assistant refs call. If it's obviously off or on through video playback go with the VAR ref.
 
Nick7 said:
The more I think about it the more I think they should just eyeball the screen for VAR offsides. It keeps the backup to call contentious offsides and removes the millimetre argument. In terms of close calls go with the assistant refs call. If it's obviously off or on through video playback go with the VAR ref.
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But the tech takes camera angle into account. Before this we had Spurs score a goal in the FA cup against Chelsea which wwas given as on only for Chelsea to have an angle of their own which showed he was off.
Eyeballing brings us back to that
 
A thoroughly dogshit proposal.

The current laws are fine. As is the VAR application. Yet we’ve got crybaby supporters behaving like children because Giroud gets penalised for clearly offside goals such as Monday night.
 
The game will have to change, not the rules.

They just feel aggrieved for now, but the truth of the matter is that offside, as heartbreaking as it is, is ultimately absolutely correct regardless of intent. So is VAR when it comes to offside decisions.
 
All they need to do is implement a margin of error in the current rules, like with Hawkeye in cricket.

i.e. the on-field decision is only overruled by VAR if it's determined to be incorrect by more than 25cm or something. That would get rid of the 'technically offside by a toenail' kind of problems which piss people off and make it more aligned with what people actually see.
 
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Everything Gary Neville said on MNF about offside was right. Changing the line will not reduce the controversy. VAR will still be zooming in on whether a heel or a toe was lined up, or just outside of the okay margin. Pointless change.
 
This would be like if their answer to goal-line controversies was to move the line back so it's half a yard behind the posts :lol:
 
BusbyMalone said:
I don't know about that. Why shouldn't it count? It's a clear advantage
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I don't think it's a clear advantage when your feet are onside. I don't mind rule staying as it is, won't mind if they consider legs only for offside.
 
sullydnl said:
In this particular case it would have because the linesman missed that it was offside. Another linesman wouldn't have missed it though. It's not like offsides that tight were never given pre-VAR. Hell, even this season we've seen linesmen make tighter calls correctly (presumably by luck as much as skill).

If a linesman had made that call pre-VAR there would have been no issue, it would just have been a good spot. Now it prompts all this angst because it wasn't the linesman who called it.
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I'm sorry but I call bull on that.

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Pre-VAR this would have been an incredibly lucky spot by the linesman and i've not seen linesman make tighter calls this season. Remove the lines and i'd argue its way too tight to call with the human eye at real speed.

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VAR has distorted our view of the offside rule, what it was intended for and how it was meant to be enforced. A new rule is 100% required given the new technology.
 
Even leaving aside any or no actual merits of the idea, Wenger seems to be suggesting we should have this new rule in place for the Euros, which would be insane.
 
Lynty said:
Make the defenders line 4 times thicker than the attackers line when using VAR. Issue solved.

Wengers idea is not plausible in lower leagues with out VAR
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The lines are different thicknesses depending on the height of the camera anyway.

The whole system is a mess and isn’t additive. ‘More right decisions’ comes at the price of enjoyment. It’s daft.
 
The thing is, the only thing i hear from the people who don't like how offside rule is currently implemented in conjunction with VAR, is not that they're getting the decisions wrong, but they think that millimetres shouldn't matter. So they acknowledge that it's offside, but they want the goal given anyway. I mean, he's either offside who he isn't. Does it matter if it's millimetre or and foot. He's off.

I've seen goals given by goal line technology where you can't even see with the human eye if the ball is over the line the margin is that small. Should the goal be given then. Do we need to change the rules so there has to be 2 millimetre's of the ball over the line. I get that it's different due to goal line technology being triggered by sensors so there's absolutely no errors. If we could get something like that for offsides that would be great.
 
Lynty said:
I'm sorry but I call bull on that.

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Pre-VAR this would have been an incredibly lucky spot by the linesman and i've not seen linesman make tighter calls this season. Remove the lines and i'd argue its way too tight to call with the human eye at real speed.

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VAR has distorted our view of the offside rule, what it was intended for and how it was meant to be enforced. A new rule is 100% required given the new technology.
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Giroud was onside when the ball was kicked. By the time that physics had got involved and the ball had compressed, expanded, then finally ceased to be in contact with a foot... He was offside.

The parameters are ridiculous. The first pic above is clearly not based on the initial contact point of the cross. Look at the goddamn ball in the second pic. It’s a third of the size of the players leg. The tech is not there yet
 
roonster09 said:
I don't think it's a clear advantage when your feet are onside. I don't mind rule staying as it is, won't mind if they consider legs only for offside.
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Agree to disagree on that then. Especially when you're in the six yard area. There's a huge advantage if the striker has his head offside to head the ball in.
 
BusbyMalone said:
The thing is, the only thing i hear from the people who don't like how offside rule is currently implemented in conjunction with VAR, is not that they're getting the decisions wrong, but they think that millimetres shouldn't matter. So they acknowledge that it's offside, but they want the goal given anyway. I mean, he's either offside who he isn't. Does it matter if it's millimetre or and foot. He's off.

I've seen goals given by goal line technology where you can't even see with the human eye if the ball is over the line the margin is that small. Should the goal be given then. Do we need to change the rules so there has to be 2 millimetre's of the ball over the line. I get that it's different due to goal line technology being triggered by sensors so there's absolutely no errors. If we could get something like that for offsides that would be great.
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If you think that the Goal Line tech is accurate I can’t help you. It’s guesswork. They cannot measure to millimetres but present images suggesting they can.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Agree to disagree with that then. Especially when you're in the six yard area. There's a huge advantage if the striker has his head offside to head the ball in.
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Who cares. That’s not what the rule is for.

We’ve picked it up and ran away with it into a place of ridiculous exactness.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Giroud was onside when the ball was kicked. By the time that physics had got involved and the ball had compressed, expanded, then finally ceased to be in contact with a foot... He was offside.

The parameters are ridiculous. The first pic above is clearly not based on the initial contact point of the cross. Look at the goddamn ball in the second pic. It’s a third of the size of the players leg. The tech is not there yet
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I agree

It baffles me how people can defend it.

I like VAR when it comes to correcting incorrect decisions e.g. Williams was definitely pushed, but there are issues in the offside rule, handball rule and the inconsistency of VAR calls in general, which is on the operators.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
If you think that the Goal Line tech is accurate I can’t help you. It’s guesswork. They cannot measure to millimetres but present images suggesting they can.
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I was under the impression that due to the technology used, it's highly unlikely to get a call wrong. I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say it's guesswork.
 
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