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A new No.9 would be inevitable this summer together with a established CB ... Like so forumers here have stated, the new no.9 could be someone semi-established ( not super star like Ronaldo etc ) ... which I totally agreed ...

Kedzman was mentioned there in the thread ... but I personaly don't think SAF is interested to bring the whole PSV front line here to OT ;) ...so probably it won't happen ...

What abt this Pauleta guy ? .. anybody has a good insigth on him ? ... newly crowned French Footballer of the Year ... Top scorer this season ( beat Cisse by far ) ... and the surprising news is - Bordeaux is looking to sell him to balance out their book ?? I haven't got a good chance to see him play so far ... anybody could enlighten ? ... what type of player is he similar to ? ... nippy footwork and dribbling ?

I am not so sure abt Portugese striker normally ... cos of the likes of Pintos and Nuno Gomes .. whom I personaly don't rate especially when map them to Premier League ... I think they don't have any special "weapon" to survive in top sides ... so not sure if Pauleta is the same ?

No matter who come in though - RVN & Ole will still be my first choice of partnership up front !! ... Ole probably not interested to take up the No.9 shirt ... but the new one having it later shouldn't have the fantacy of him replacing Ole ... he'll NOT be !! ...
 
defoe!!! hes a menace like raul, would suit ruud down to the grown i reckon. little and large partnerships are great! lol
seriously tho, hes class, if we dont buy him, the arse will.
 
Di Canio is the best. We need experience to bring out the best in Forla. However if we fail to get Paolo. My choice for a bargain would be Christian timm of Cologne in Germany or Wesley Sonck, the guy destined to be Belgium's VanNistelrooy in the World cup!
 
timm for utd? you having a laugh?

the guys never been a goal scorer and has hardly played at all this season cos of an injury. ive heard people say that he might never fully recover from the injury. hes an assist guy and no center forward. id play him on the right wing ...
 
We need anothe half nine don't we? :confused:
We have two center forwards in Ole and Ruud!
 
yes no arguement there we already have two superb forward in RVN and Ole ..that's what I have put at the start ... nobody would take their place there if both are fit ..

What I mean is the 3rd or 4th striker ( Forlan need not be 3rd, ..if a more established one come in - which I think will be ) ... You see how Arse. get to use all their players this season ( 5 strikers all in all ) ... and they coup well with such a nightmare of injuries ( many to their main players ) ... I don't want our team to buy 2 superb defender come off-season and then found that we have problem scoring goals if injury problem does pile up ... Yorkie looks doom - doesn't matter he leave or not ... so we only have
3 strikers now ... Leave Giggsy out 'cos I still think we need him most of the time at the left wing ... He's Lord of the Wing ... he should stay there !!

Christie still my favourite now .... posing this thread to check out on Pauleta that's all .. .
 
Pauleta is similar to Forlan but he ain't Cheap!!
 
<a href="http://www.optasoccer.com/article.asp?id=92915&clid=&cpid=8&Title=Chievo+confirm+Di+Canio+interest" target="_blank">PDC</a>

Not sure if we are still gonna get him ... He ain't be going to WorldCup so if Fergie has him in mind and wait till after WC like Kenyon said - I think everything will be done and dusted then ... PDC will be in Verona downing the yellow jersey ( strange though ... Chievo has been a very low profile team ... PDC won't suit their style :p )
 
Ashton looks good, and Crewe are relegated to divison two, so who knows? I also think a nippy little fecker like Defoe would combine well with RVN. BTW I thought Pauleta and Cisse finished joint top scorers in France.
But PDC would be my first choice, just for the invention and canniness he would bring. And SAF would know how to 'manage' him.
 
Why not just give the No. 9 to Ole or Forlan.
 
Originally posted by Gabe:
<strong>Ashton looks good, and Crewe are relegated to divison two, so who knows? I also think a nippy little fecker like Defoe would combine well with RVN. BTW I thought Pauleta and Cisse finished joint top scorers in France.
But PDC would be my first choice, just for the invention and canniness he would bring. And SAF would know how to 'manage' him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gabe you get my vote ... I have been saying a while that we need a striker of that sort to give us more options in front ..

On giving Ole or Forlan the no.9 shirt is a small issue ... the thing is - after they swap the jersey and we will still end up only 3 strikers !!? .. that's not enough and I am sure Fergie know it very very well ... he's the one who has started off the 4 strikers system ... more or less ..
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Originally posted by Pi:
<strong>Why not just give the No. 9 to Ole </strong><hr></blockquote>


Absolutely not.

I don't like "Livvie9".
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We need forwards/strikers/attackers, one at least...the arse have 5 in Henry , Bergkamp, Wiltord, Kanu and Jeffers...and Poo have Owen(although mostly in treatment room), Donkey, Litmanen, Anelka, and a young cnut...

We need the squad depth period no matter how good Ruud and Ole are doing at the moment...anyway i feel that Ruud and Ole dont complement each other too well...not bad, good but not exellent. Thats why we need another no. 9...
There it is...take from it what you will ;)
 
Originally posted by edmund:
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We need the squad depth period no matter how good Ruud and Ole are doing at the moment...anyway i feel that Ruud and Ole dont complement each other too well...not bad, good but not exellent. Thats why we need another no. 9...
There it is...take from it what you will ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

First season together, at one point were the best pairing in Europe (not sure how it finished) and how many goals? They can only get better.

If it doesn't work next season, fair enough - but why start again before you have to.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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First season together, at one point were the best pairing in Europe (not sure how it finished) and how many goals? They can only get better.

If it doesn't work next season, fair enough - but why start again before you have to.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Doesnt hurt to have other options ready really...Ruud has size, strengh, speed(not too much though), good finishing, good heading, Balance...feck...he's almost god. Ole has tremendous frickin brilliant finishing ability, agility, movement of the ball. Forlan has dribbling skills, some pace, 2 good feet but the rest remains to be seen.

The type we lack is:
1)One who has Blistering frickin lightning pace and great finishing (Like Henry and to some extent Pony). Could also settle for a Giggsy clone to play up front or something close like Duffer or Andres D'Allessandro

2)Cantona...somebody have his kids please and send him to Manchester <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
Well...we cant clone him so we'll have to look for someone simmilar like Rivaldo or the cheaper version ie PDC
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We need another forward, that's definitely for sure. In the good old days when our first choice strikers need to rest, we can still put in two backup strikers who can still inflict fear to opponents. But now when Ruud or Ole injured we certain don't have any established backup for them.

And the second reason is that I am not completely convinced that the Ruud and Ole partnership is that good (I heard people said they are the best partnership in Europe? Who determined that?) The reason is that they are similar type of target man that are not able to complement each other or offer any variety to us when our attack doesn't work out. The reason is, they can only operate when there is a well supply. They are not able to make thing happen either by oneself (such as what Cantona did) or by the co-operation between themselves (such as what cole and yorke did in treble season). They are both excellent finishers, but in terms of pace they are adequate rather than excellent, in terms of dribbling they are adequate rather than excellent, and I certainly don't see there are many sparks between them.

That's become obvious when we face a team that crowds themselves at the back. We never look like we have any idea to break Liverpool or even Middlesboro when we played them. To add a new forward who can supply more skill, pace or creativity up front will certainly help us in facing this kind of opponents.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>We need another forward, that's definitely for sure. In the good old days when our first choice strikers need to rest, we can still put in two backup strikers who can still inflict fear to opponents. But now when Ruud or Ole injured we certain don't have any established backup for them.

And the second reason is that I am not completely convinced that the Ruud and Ole partnership is that good (I heard people said they are the best partnership in Europe? Who determined that?) The reason is that they are similar type of target man that are not able to complement each other or offer any variety to us when our attack doesn't work out. The reason is, they can only operate when there is a well supply. They are not able to make thing happen either by oneself (such as what Cantona did) or by the co-operation between themselves (such as what cole and yorke did in treble season). They are both excellent finishers, but in terms of pace they are adequate rather than excellent, in terms of dribbling they are adequate rather than excellent, and I certainly don't see there are many sparks between them.

That's become obvious when we face a team that crowds themselves at the back. We never look like we have any idea to break Liverpool or even Middlesboro when we played them. To add a new forward who can supply more skill, pace or creativity up front will certainly help us in facing this kind of opponents.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice post uranushk...agreed...we are certainly lacking a bit more skill, pace or creativity when facing cnut like defensive teams ala longball-pool.

An interesting comment made by Henry a while back forgot when it was, regarding him and Trezeguet...Henry said that Trez and him are 2 totally different players whereby trez is a goal mouth prowler and opportunist who plays with his back to goal while himself plays facing goal and takes on defenders with his explosive pace and dribbling And that him and Trez would compliment each other really well.

And i agree. Same can be said to Ruud and Ole...like Trez so we need a "Henry" now....whos up fer grabs!?!
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Valeron? He's looked like a tricky creative player everytime he's played against us. Ideally I'd want someone a bit better than him, but he's the right sort I think.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Valeron? He's looked like a tricky creative player everytime he's played against us. Ideally I'd want someone a bit better than him, but he's the right sort I think.</strong><hr></blockquote>

After the Arse match i thought he was great but that was before Nicky made him look like a prick...he is a good player though
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Valeron? He's looked like a tricky creative player everytime he's played against us. Ideally I'd want someone a bit better than him, but he's the right sort I think.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Still think we need a skillful + pacey lad then a playmaker/link man type .. It will be great though for us to have one for each but that will make 5 strikers altogether and that's not the type of luxury we could have ...

Or shall we convert Forlan to a left winger ... he's good left foot so it could be possible ...

;)
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Originally posted by Penny:
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Still think we need a skillful + pacey lad then a playmaker/link man type .. It will be great though for us to have one for each but that will make 5 strikers altogether and that's not the type of luxury we could have ...

Or shall we convert Forlan to a left winger ... he's good left foot so it could be possible ...

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Convert Forlan to AM R/l will be good...kinda like Henry's conversion from wing to striker. in this case from striker to winger left and right(he's good on both feet) to cover Giggsy or Becks...great idea...wonder if Fergie can pull it off....Forlan is young enough to do that.
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Forlan started off as a winger cos he has great pace. But he was movd infeld ala Henry.

In fact maybe Forlan could become our Henry - who knows, he has speed and is abit explosive with his hungry runs and shots out the blue. But someone like Cisse would be better.
 
Originally posted by Penny:
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Still think we need a skillful + pacey lad then a playmaker/link man type .. It will be great though for us to have one for each but that will make 5 strikers altogether and that's not the type of luxury we could have ...

Or shall we convert Forlan to a left winger ... he's good left foot so it could be possible ...

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
We've got Ruud so we've already got one of the world's best strikers, and what I think he needs as a partner is the playmaker/link man - we've always had a player of this type during alex's reign. I think Forlan will be a great striker for us next year, a well rounded player who has good pace (if not exceptional), good ball control (but not rivaldo), score with either foot or head (but not as clinically as ole). He'll be a very capable reserve striker next season, as a partner up front with whoever. And he's gonna get a lot better as he's still young.
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Originally posted by edmund:
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Cantona...somebody have his kids please
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:sigh: Ok. It's a hard job as they say........

I will sacrifice myself.

Can't guarantee boys - but who cares. :D
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Talking about strikers, any thoughts on Nuno Gomes, he's available now that Fiorentina are relegated, seems like he's got the pace and he's quite young.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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:sigh: Ok. It's a hard job as they say........

I will sacrifice myself.

Can't guarantee boys - but who cares. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> livvie...well keep trying until u get Eric Jr. ya hear...and then make sure he eat and sleep football 24/7...oh and remind him than Manchester United are the greatest ;)
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Defoe or Cisse or Ronaldo would add skill and pace,PDC and Rivaldo the linkup forward.Fergie will probable buy some unknown guy for 5 million.
 
Originally posted by Richter:
<strong>Defoe or Cisse or Ronaldo would add skill and pace,PDC and Rivaldo the linkup forward.Fergie will probable buy some unknown guy for 5 million.</strong><hr></blockquote>

5m? I doubt it. Even Forlan cost us over 7m, and I just heard that Graham Taylor is asking 12m for Angel! :eek: I agree we won't need to sign another 19m striker this time, but may be 8m-10m is a closer estimation.
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How about Vassel?

Batistuta? heard that he is gonna leave Roma, we can have him for a season or 2
 
Originally posted by Candona:
<strong>How about Vassel?

Batistuta? heard that he is gonna leave Roma, we can have him for a season or 2</strong><hr></blockquote>

Batigol is too old now, we've missed the chance to get him. Vassel would have been a good 4th striker rather than Forlan, but now we have Forlan I think we need a high quality readymade striker.
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John Carew could be the ideal buy for us this summer. He is a good target man and could play alongside OGS or RVN if either were injured. He has a fair amount of pace and can hold up the ball. He is extremely powerful in the air. We all saw how he destroyed Arsenal last year. I think he'd be good for us. He wouldn't be too expensive for us because he has fallen out of favour at Valencia since Rafael Benitez took control and is looking for a move.
 
On every game I have seen him play in for Valencia. The guy is nearly as toothless as Forlan. Who is only toothless because he has not settled in yet! That tells you how bad Carew is. The only good thing is he is young and can get better. But we don't need more potential. Forlan is enough!
 
cd has frankly put across a "possible" candidate here... for me , at least cd talk sense !! ... Carew is one possible choices I would think - 'cos of his availability ( although I don rate him too high - as I said, we need a pacy and twist&turn strikers instead )... I think this makes more sense then saying Rivaldo or Ronaldo ... ;)
 
Originally posted by Richter:
<strong>Defoe or Cisse or Ronaldo would add skill and pace,PDC and Rivaldo the linkup forward.Fergie will probable buy some unknown guy for 5 million.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well summed up, might be a modest buy- the forward, as defence has to take priority. PDC would be resonably priced and would be good value, assuming his condition is decent.

Cisse is unstoppable, his pace and power would add a lot of penetration to the attack, and take heat off RVN and make him more effective.
But we will have to wait another season before thinking of Cisse, Sky quoted him Monday as saying he would stay at Auxerre this season because they made the CL, and would like to move to England next season to join United, Arsenal of the other lot.
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Hands off Forlan guys,he is still very young and he is explosive.......but has anyone given a thought to JAVI"Javita" MORENO?????
 
we discussed abt him before here ... he's not doing well in AC this year but rumour is that he's off to the promoted Athletico Madrid !!

Personaly, I think he's a very nippy player ok ... but so far from what I have observed ( he has got some very good exposure when Alvales did well in UEFA Cup last season ), he's a bit of the selfish type and very temperament ... I hate to see selfish player !!
 
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