Exactly that's what happened. The price tag and the marketing job that United put on him ruined his way of thinking. Remember in his first season when we were playing Liverpool at Old Trafford and the stadium had ads about his Twitter emoji ?!, and Pogba played a godawful game and caused a pen. Man United handled him pretty poorly.
Nemanja Matic talks about players' disciplinary issues during his spell with United
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Exactly that's what happened. The price tag and the marketing job that United put on him ruined his way of thinking. Remember in his first season when we were playing Liverpool at Old Trafford and the stadium had ads about his Twitter emoji ?!, and Pogba played a godawful game and caused a pen. Man United handled him pretty poorly.
What’s weird is that I’d always thought he was one of those wiry goalkeepers. On tv he looked broad shouldered, but relatively slight. Nope. Huge fella.
He isn't talking shit. He is talking truth.
He wasn't, it was a huge mistake, the thought off it, the fee, the contract, letting him do whatever the feck he pleased etc etc..
The club knew what he was like the first time round and still went back for seconds. Jose and the club should 100% take the blame for it. But I'd blame the club more than Jose, because he should never have been hired as manager either.
So he was perfect until he came under Mourinho's management?
Yes there was. Just because people don't follow those teams and league doesn't mean everything was fine.
A passenger that somehow got reputation being world class. Thanks to his social media and his fanclub.
What time does training start? Some of the clips you see of cars arriving, I never get the impression it's early.
We need to get Vidic, Rio, Stam and Keane to take over and whip these little boys back into shape.
Pretty damning stuff.
Pretty damning stuff.
What was he like when let him go on free to Juve ? Ferguson didn't question his discipline or workrate. He questioned his agent and the way he left. The Pogba who played for Man United 2nd time isn't the same one who played for Juve.
Anyone claiming the signing on paper wasn't great in 2016 is just rewriting history.
More like until Man United decided to make him the icon of their marketing propaganda and build the entire team around him.
Funny because in some sorts we have been doing the same now with Marcus Rashford until we also ruined him.
The most basic aspect of being professional in any setting is being on fecking time.
Let such a basic standard slip and the rest will soon follow.
I'm not a football manager, obviously, but I do manage a pretty big team in work. If I was a football manager, anyone late to training would be sent to train alone the rest of that week, excluded from the next match day squad and I'd make it know why.
People on minimum wage, who use public transport to get to work, show up on time ffs.
Let such a basic standard slip and the rest will soon follow.
I'm not a football manager, obviously, but I do manage a pretty big team in work. If I was a football manager, anyone late to training would be sent to train alone the rest of that week, excluded from the next match day squad and I'd make it know why.
People on minimum wage, who use public transport to get to work, show up on time ffs.
If the Glazers aren’t bothered whether or not we are successful on the pitch then the players won’t care either and know they can get away without even the bare minimum and still receive their obscene ”salaries” (sorry but a salary is for the working person) these days players are rewarded before they are even first teamers.
https://www.livescore.com/en/news/n...a-late-manchester-united-2023120421051791314/
I'm glad the author reads the forum
I'm glad the author reads the forum
I feel like that 75k could have gone to better use than a party
Is there a translated version or text?
Lateness happens in all societies.
We all have that type in our class, Practice, friend group or at work.
We all have that type in our class, Practice, friend group or at work.
That volley against Palace though
What a fanny. Don't come in with the insider anecdotes if you aren't going to put your balls on the line. Behaviour of a scouser.
Hazard barely trained, but that doesnt fit Nemanjas narrative here.
How came disciplinarian Ten Hag hasn’t been stamping this out, unless it is only Sancho now?
Once again. If you knew what was happening in Juventus you wouldn't write that. 0 discipline. 0 workrate. 99 selfpromotion on social media.
It wasn't great signing on paper and many of us warned about that. Many. But people loved his confidence, new hairstyles and all those dancemoves on instagram that they forgot to look at him as football player.
Yes it does. It is still disrespectful and there should be consenquences. If you add that these guys make more money than any average person would dream of it is even worse. Lazy, disrepectful, non-educated, selfish people.
For white and blue collar workers at the club? Sure. However, as stated that the club lack the punishment system, it's just between the players' thing. They're not responsible to fund raising to give back to the club where in the end the owner may just take this money for themselves in form of dividends. It's also weird to use this fund for donation to charity and leaking club affair explaining about donation being funded by A B C because A B C were often late to training.
I really would be surprised if that's true. Skipping 3 weeks training in a row would be grounds for dismissal and you'd definitely be sold in the very next window.
Pretty obvious Howson is making that story up.
Don't think the player in question would've gone on and done videos with him if he had made that up about him.
Who was the player?
Ravel
Oh wow nevermind, I could absolutely believe it about him. He's the only one I'd believe such a crazy story about.
I think it was supposedly at Lazio, he realised that if he did a certain amount of consecutive training then he could fly home for a certain period and miss training for a while with no major repercussions.
What concerns me most in these comments is not the persistent lateness from a number of players, but the fact that those players who were on time had to take it upon themselves to form an 'internal disciplinary committee'!? Why on earth were the players the ones leading this, it couldn't have boded well for the team's spirit and surely it would've been a source of resentment or a cause for tension among players. This is the responsibility of a manager and to outsource or totally neglect this kind of discipline to the point that players themselves take the initiative is pretty alarming.
When you are on 300K pw, you can be late and pay the fines I guess.
Well he actually named the player so he either have proof of what he's saying or else he's walking on very thin water especially since the player in question still plays football
Honestly we shouldn't really be surprised of what's happening at United. This squad had a reputation of being lazy since Mourinho times. In recent times it also won the reputation of being Real Madrid's unofficial resting home ie by getting players like Ronaldo, Casemiro and Varane who won it all and came here to earn that last pay cheque. These players turned against Ole who is the teddy bear of management. If Ole wasn't accommodating enough for them then I really wonder how on earth we expected them to be happy with a manager who believe in a high intensity/high workrate style of football. This is like when we brought a young SAF to manage a squad of drunks. Shit was set to hit fan.
Thats right. Name and shame them.
These cnuts deserve it
These cnuts deserve it
A few years ago Aston Villa's fine list got leaked. Late for training was valued at 500 quid. 75k/500 quid means 150 late-commings. With our scheudle (league, cl, cups) i dont think we actualy do more than 4/5 training sessions a week. So i wonder how many people were late on a constant basis.
So many ex players and mangers have mentioned this and nothing has been done since. This is all on the management, it seems like at least going by quotes, manager has no real power in the way he wants his team to be setup and players. I mean we are not the only team that has players with attitude but none of them have the power over the club except ours. Imagine if Sancho acted out at City, he would have been sold that very next window no questions asked. We somehow have let all these so called professionals run their way and run this club to ground.
Players should know that the only acceptable place to be late is during s*x
You're allowed to be a shit trainer if you put in the performances Hazard did for Chelsea.
Good trainer + good performance is what you want.
Shit trainer + good performance is acceptable (if the performance is good enough).
Shit trainer + shit performance is totally unacceptable.
No problem kicking those two already laying, Matic, while the ones still standing are referred to as "a couple of other players". Name no one, Matic, or name them all.
The factories I oversee IT for don´t tolerate lateness, why should Utd?
Surely if late or lazy fine them a weeks wages first time in that week and if late or lazy in training a second time in that week, drop them for the next game. If it keeps happening let the press know why they aint being picked and transfer list them. Tell the player there is a route back by turning up on time and getting stuck in. This puts the onus on the player then to go down the path of staying or going. Once other players see this happening it will make them think twice. If it doesnt it will out them as not being worth keeping anyway.
And who would buy a player that has been publicly outed as a lazy troublemaker?