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just coming back from injury.
He plays best with the busy Herrera alongside.
He plays best with the busy Herrera alongside.
Can't wait to see the back of him if I'm being honest
Matic doesn’t bring the ball out of defence though. There was times DDG had the ball, the CBs had split and Matic was in acres of space, and instead of moving toward the ball he moved away, effectively placing himself in a position where he was no longer an option.Matic can bring the ball out of the defence, Mctominay can't / doesn't. Don't know what his physical condition is but he has to come in if he is fit.
He has become one of our easiest scapegoats for some. Back from injury into such big game. He shouldn't have started at all actually. Scott should have kept the spot and we should have introduced him gradually.
Otherwise he has been pretty good ever since Ole got the job.
It wasn't a surprise though. Whenever we play a team that likes to work through midfield he gets exposed. It's happening time and time again.He has become one of our easiest scapegoats for some. Back from injury into such big game. He shouldn't have started at all actually. Scott should have kept the spot and we should have introduced him gradually.
Otherwise he has been pretty good ever since Ole got the job.
He has become one of our easiest scapegoats for some. Back from injury into such big game. He shouldn't have started at all actually. Scott should have kept the spot and we should have introduced him gradually.
Otherwise he has been pretty good ever since Ole got the job.
Words scapegoat and cliche are often used to discredit opinion and distract from a factual pattern. Matic's lack of mobility is an ongoing issue with him, he has some qualities but some major weaknesses that hamper the team at times, especially against mobile teams that play through midfield.
Not discredit but there's no sense coming here to see things like "can't wait to see the back of him" when he's just back from injury straight to a big game that needs lots of work. He was rushed and Ole shouldn't have started him at all. Otherwise he played in other big games under Ole and looked pretty well.
There's nothing to suggest he was rushed back, why would we? We went to PSG without him and Ander and got the job done, and it's not like he's been out for months, he's been out about 3 weeks, hardly enough time for rust to settle in, Smalling was out much longer and has barely missed a beat. The truth is Matic's "resurgence" under Ole has always been overblown, yes he started to be more progressive with the ball but his lack of mobility and speed across the ground has remained the same problem it was under Mourinho when faced with any kid of mobile, pressing team, and that's all we saw today, the same old issues and Fred doesn't have the nous to cover him the way Ander does in these situations.
3 weeks without training is pretty much enough to get rusty especially coming into a an away big game which needs lots of work and energy. Things would have been different if he's coming back against weak opposition, but not a big game away from home!
He has been great/very good since Ole took the job. We defeated Spurs, Arssnal and Chelsea all away with him playing. The fact that once he played a poor game coming back from injury we started seeing posts like "can't wait to see the back of him" etc is ridiculous and the very definition of scapegoating. As if some couldn't wait for him to have his first poor game to say this nonsense.
This is a terrible take. Matic has been one of the best midfielders under Ole. Let’s not rewrite history and only credit Herrera and pogba. Matic has just been as invaluable as the two. You guys love to discredit him because of his immobility.That's a weak excuse for a seasoned professional, like I say Smalling came straight back in and never looked like he'd been gone, and lets not pretend like this kind of performance is a one off for Matic.
I disagree, I don't think he's been that good since Ole took over and neither did the person you were quoting, she has felt the same about Matic as I have, take a look back, my opinion didn't flip flop like others just because Ole took over, it's like Lukaku has been on a good run of goal scoring which has seen his fanboys coming out of the woodwork but his performances outside of the 18 yard area have still been littered with the same issues as before, oddly today it was the other way around. With Matic I've been saying the entire time under Ole that defensively he is still a liability and that Ander is having to do a lot of running for him to cover the spaces he leaves, today he had Fred with him who just isn't at the same level as Ander in this regard.
That's a weak excuse for a seasoned professional, like I say Smalling came straight back in and never looked like he'd been gone, and lets not pretend like this kind of performance is a one off for Matic.
I disagree, I don't think he's been that good since Ole took over and neither did the person you were quoting, she has felt the same about Matic as I have, take a look back, my opinion didn't flip flop like others just because Ole took over, it's like Lukaku has been on a good run of goal scoring which has seen his fanboys coming out of the woodwork but his performances outside of the 18 yard area have still been littered with the same issues as before, oddly today it was the other way around. With Matic I've been saying the entire time under Ole that defensively he is still a liability and that Ander is having to do a lot of running for him to cover the spaces he leaves, today he had Fred with him who just isn't at the same level as Ander in this regard.
Not discredit but there's no sense coming here to see things like "can't wait to see the back of him" when he's just back from injury straight to a big game that needs lots of work. He was rushed and Ole shouldn't have started him at all. Otherwise he played in other big games under Ole and looked pretty well.
This is a terrible take. Matic has been one of the best midfielders under Ole. Let’s not rewrite history and only credit Herrera and pogba. Matic has just been as invaluable as the two. You guys love to discredit him because of his immobility.
Let’s talk about today though. The lack of a midlfield had nothing to do with his “immobility” but much more a tactical deficiency by Ole. We also know that pogba who is also part of the midfield that was supposedly empty does feck all when it’s time to build out the back and would rather run to his favorite position the far left wing to wait for the ball. Why don’t we ever talk about this burden left on matic to always cover pogba’s responsibilities? It’s because he is a fan favorite I’m guessing?
You guys need to stop placing ALL the blame on matic when our midfield fails to perform. He isn’t the only one responsible for protecting the defense while trying to bring the ball out from the back while also covering multiple attackers.
Professional or not the guy is human, mate. He's not a machine. You can't be out of training and recovering for 3 weeks then immediately get thrown in a big game away from home that needs loads of work. How many professionals are going to drop a great performance here? Scott should have started this and Matic should have been introduced gradually.
Not really flip flopped with Ole taking over. I just give credit to players who actually play well. I slaughtered Shaw a lot, however I have been over praising him the last few matches. I slaughtered Lukaku almost the entire season but still over praised him the last 3 matches. Just because I have a harsh opinion on a player himself doesn't mean I'm not going to admit he is good when he's actually playing well.
I have no problem with criticizing Matic for this particular game but using it as a a general view and claim he was never good the previous games mean that you can't warm to him and simply will wait for his bad days to say you want him out while whenever he plays well it will be thanks to others. That's pretty harsh and simply illogical. That's why I said he's getting scapegoated by many here.
Midfield works as a unit not individually and needs every player to do his job or it will affect the others. You can't carry anyone's job in it and cover for him, not in premier league and especially not in big games. Herrera did his job pretty well, but Pogba and Matic also did the job asked for them pretty well and resulted in our great performance under Ole. Simply throwing the full praise to Herrera and discrediting Matic from any success in his role in midfield means some here can't welcome to him at all whatever he plays, but as I said.
Fans wishing to see the back of him others comparing a center back coming back from injury to a midfielder coming back from injury in a top 4 game looks like things are back to normal I called it when Fellaini left (scapegoat)and all this talk of Herrera doing all the work laughable lets see if he can work his was to a premier league title like Matic But let me guess that's because of someone else right?
I wasn't saying you flip flopped I am saying myself and Footygirl hadn't either, our view of Matic hadn't changed under Ole, his lack of mobility has been an issue under both managers when it comes to the defensive side of his game, which is his primary function. As for the 3 week lay-off, it's a poor excuse mate no matter how you slice it, I used Smalling as a recent example but there are plenty of other players that have come into sides after longer lay-offs and done well, this was a Matic performance we have seen plenty of times before.
You don't get the difference do you? It's fine to return from a long lay off into match against a relegation fodder or midtable club. Completely different to return from a long lay off straight into the a big game and away from home too.
You don't get the difference do you? It's fine to return from a long lay off into match against a relegation fodder or midtable club. Completely different to return from a long lay off straight into the a big game and away from home too.
So now it's not the lay-off it's because Ramsey and Xhaka from banter FC are such a high level that he couldn't come straight back in against two such midfield titans? Come on man, you make it sound like it's mission impossible when loads of players have come back into big games from much longer spells out and performed well. This type of defensive performance from him has happened in games when he's been at his fittest for us and even had a decent game on the ball, that's what you aren't getting, this wasn't an out of character game for him like say De Gea's blunder was out of character, this immobility issue on the defensive side of his game is an ongoing issue and that's the point, it has nothing to do with whether he'd not trained for a couple of weeks.
The point that he’s making is that was Matic par for the course. That he hasn’t been any different in terms speed, ground coverage etc. over the last couple of years. Better decision making in other games, better awareness for sure. But you can’t argue that he was slow and ponderous only today.
He lacks speed in tracking back, hence he can’t move much forward unlike say Fernandinho. And he’s pretty slow in the build up. He’s good if you want to slow the game down, but not if you want to speed it up. That’s not based only on yesterday. But the last couple of years of close observation.