NBA playoffs

Grinner the Gooner said:
The officials missed a lot of things.

Why didn't they call that foul on Nowitzki on the last play??

What was with all the travelling calls? Let the players play ffs.

And what a tosspot call on Songaila when he clung to the rim after dunking.

Still, great comeback by the Kings. Fifteen points down at one point, and didn't seem to start at the same time as Dallas. Nash was brilliant in the first half, but Bibby was great the whole game.

We'll be lucky to get through the next round.
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yeah..refs should've called the foul peja..but then again, i think he wanted to intentionally foul nowitzki anyway..kings had a foul to give..

webber's travels were quite obvious..don't know about the rest though..

songaila was just hanging to get his balance..bad call...

bibby was simply awesome..can't wait for more against wolves :)
 
Spurs 1-0 Lakers
I hate the lakers, so i'm supporting the Spurs now... :devil:
 
I don't think it will be as high scoring. Dallas is an offensive team that can hit you on the break every time. We had to play our smaller guys to make the match-ups more even.

Vlade should be playing a lot in this next series because they have some big guys to counter. It'll all be about rebounds and quick passing to the front men.
 
Grinner the Gooner said:
I don't think it will be as high scoring. Dallas is an offensive team that can hit you on the break every time. We had to play our smaller guys to make the match-ups more even.

Vlade should be playing a lot in this next series because they have some big guys to counter. It'll all be about rebounds and quick passing to the front men.
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kings definately have to box out better..especially kg..he's been a monster against the kings during the season averaging about 27 points and 19 rebounds..

and how about the pistons eh?? they were suffocating on defence..held nets to only 56 points..think there'll be a sweep?
 
Kings are going to have to work for this one. It is time for Webber to settle the argument about whether he can be a superstar or not. KG will be a real handful.

Even if we win this series, there is no way we'll beat San Antonio.
 
hahahaha..excellent! we stole homecourt advantage!

cassell was playing at a diff level from every1 else tho'..
 
soulblight3r said:
hahahaha..excellent! we stole homecourt advantage!

cassell was playing at a diff level from every1 else tho'..
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Cassell kept us in the game.... single handed!

KG made all the diff! the MVP thingy got him totally disrupted and he had a poor poor game! Wonder what was wrong with Sprewell tho! He played crap! and that damn bibby...... uggghhhhh!!!!

Cant wait for Saturday!!!
 
Bibby is huge, what a player. He always steps up in the big games, wish i could say the same about Webber.

Great game yesterday watching the Lakers blow it again. That little fella was amazing, especially when he looped it over Shaq after that sweet dribble move in the 4th.

Still, the Lakers have a horrible habit of making comebacks.
 
Grinner the Gooner said:
Bibby is huge, what a player. He always steps up in the big games, wish i could say the same about Webber.

Great game yesterday watching the Lakers blow it again. That little fella was amazing, especially when he looped it over Shaq after that sweet dribble move in the 4th.

Still, the Lakers have a horrible habit of making comebacks.
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yeah man..left devean george for dead..all he could do was just turn around and look at the ball go in..

want webber to bring back his power game and slam it over everyone..right now his settling more and more on jumpers..can't really blame him though..his legs seem to be immobile..

we should set screens or do what argentina did in the last world championships where you screen the screener for peja..help ease the burden off bibby..
 
So, does Shaq have the ugliest free-throw or what?

At least he is making them though. I can't believe how bad Webber is from the line.
 
Grinner the Gooner said:
So, does Shaq have the ugliest free-throw or what?

At least he is making them though. I can't believe how bad Webber is from the line.
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making them?? he's like what..shooting 20+% from da line in the playoffs..

webber is pretty bad..but still better than shaq and duncan
 
soulblight3r said:
webber is pretty bad..but still better than shaq and duncan
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Duncan's FT rate's better then Shaq...
I remember the first game Lakers vs. Spurs, Shaq's FT was 3/13.. but donno 'bout Duncan in that match
but in the second game, Shaq's FT was 2/7 while Duncan's FT was 10/14
 
I'll bet Hedo Turkoglu is hoping the Kings beat the T-wolves. He looked like he has developed since leaving here.

It amazes me that players can be so bad at FT's. It's like footballers being unable to score with penalties, only worse since there is nobody actually guarding the net.
 
It's always the big men that shoot horrendous FT percentages. The smaller guards and forwards usually have a more fluid shooting motion resulting in better FT percentages. Shaq often says that shooting a FT to him is nearly like trying to throw something at a straight line. Where as the 6 foot guard has that extra foot for the shooter's arc. You notice when big guys shoot, the ball has little arc. They are used to shooting short hooks, 6-10 foot jumpers, and 3-5 foot dump ins where as guards are heaving from all over the perimeter. Guards tend to work on shooting FTs more too. I played guard in high school and always worked on my FTs. I was a horrible peremeter shooter though (worse than JKidd), my shots often lacking rotation. I was decent at FT (about 65%) but nowhere near what I should shoot as a 5'11" PG. I could hit a 12 foot fade away jumper though, as will as a baby hook from the right side at 6-12 feet. I had aerial ability despite my size (33 inch vertical) and the knack for making pinpoint passes. But at the FT line, the rim still seemed high to me but for a 7'2" big man, the rim seems closer and near eye level, which must make it harder to shoot. I dunno...I'm never been tall.
 
MrMarcello said:
It's always the big men that shoot horrendous FT percentages. The smaller guards and forwards usually have a more fluid shooting motion resulting in better FT percentages. Shaq often says that shooting a FT to him is nearly like trying to throw something at a straight line. Where as the 6 foot guard has that extra foot for the shooter's arc. You notice when big guys shoot, the ball has little arc. They are used to shooting short hooks, 6-10 foot jumpers, and 3-5 foot dump ins where as guards are heaving from all over the perimeter. Guards tend to work on shooting FTs more too. I played guard in high school and always worked on my FTs. I was a horrible peremeter shooter though (worse than JKidd), my shots often lacking rotation. I was decent at FT (about 65%) but nowhere near what I should shoot as a 5'11" PG. I could hit a 12 foot fade away jumper though, as will as a baby hook from the right side at 6-12 feet. I had aerial ability despite my size (33 inch vertical) and the knack for making pinpoint passes. But at the FT line, the rim still seemed high to me but for a 7'2" big man, the rim seems closer and near eye level, which must make it harder to shoot. I dunno...I'm never been tall.
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OK, that sort of makes sense. But why not just arc the ball higher if you are a big man? Christ, these guys get paid a shitload of money, and have plenty of time on their hands to practise.

I'm sure there must have been plenty of big guys who have perfectly respectable FT percentages. I'm curious whether anybody else has an explanation for this phenomenon.

I think Webber used to be a better shhoter from the line, he just seems to have got worse. Vlade is pretty handy too, I believe. I just think its such a basic component of the game, and seemingly something you can work hard at to improve.
 
Jacqueline_S said:
Duncan's FT rate's better then Shaq...
I remember the first game Lakers vs. Spurs, Shaq's FT was 3/13.. but donno 'bout Duncan in that match
but in the second game, Shaq's FT was 2/7 while Duncan's FT was 10/14
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duncan's better..but his percentages has dipped tremendously from last season..and i think shaq was marginally better in the regular season with his freethrows
 
MrMarcello said:
It's always the big men that shoot horrendous FT percentages. The smaller guards and forwards usually have a more fluid shooting motion resulting in better FT percentages. Shaq often says that shooting a FT to him is nearly like trying to throw something at a straight line. Where as the 6 foot guard has that extra foot for the shooter's arc. You notice when big guys shoot, the ball has little arc. They are used to shooting short hooks, 6-10 foot jumpers, and 3-5 foot dump ins where as guards are heaving from all over the perimeter. Guards tend to work on shooting FTs more too. I played guard in high school and always worked on my FTs. I was a horrible peremeter shooter though (worse than JKidd), my shots often lacking rotation. I was decent at FT (about 65%) but nowhere near what I should shoot as a 5'11" PG. I could hit a 12 foot fade away jumper though, as will as a baby hook from the right side at 6-12 feet. I had aerial ability despite my size (33 inch vertical) and the knack for making pinpoint passes. But at the FT line, the rim still seemed high to me but for a 7'2" big man, the rim seems closer and near eye level, which must make it harder to shoot. I dunno...I'm never been tall.
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i don't buy that..all you have to do is just make the proper adjustments..don't tell me they can't do that..and big men should practise their freethrows as much as guards..especially if that person is shaw and gets fouled the number of times he does..height has nothing to do with it...look at nowitzki and yao ming..they're like 7 and 7'5" respectively and they have beautiful arcs on their shots..it's just a matter of practice...even shawn bradley has a nice arc to his shot now..
 
soulblight3r said:
i don't buy that..all you have to do is just make the proper adjustments..don't tell me they can't do that..and big men should practise their freethrows as much as guards..especially if that person is shaw and gets fouled the number of times he does..height has nothing to do with it...look at nowitzki and yao ming..they're like 7 and 7'5" respectively and they have beautiful arcs on their shots..it's just a matter of practice...even shawn bradley has a nice arc to his shot now..
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Shaq used to practice 1000 FTs per day and still can't hit above 60% at his best. Must be about mechanics, but he's had coaches watch his mechanics and change his shooting style. So maybe height has something to do with it. Maybe it's the fact that smaller players tend to shoot more from far out and develop a smoother shooting motion so free throws tend to be...err...free throws to them. Many big men are just used to short jumpers, lay ins, dunks, and maybe they freeze up at the FT line. Maybe they think about it too much. Ever seen Chris Dudley shoot a FT? He was like a career 37% shooter...seen him launch a few airballs from the charity stripe. Mark Price was like a career 91% FT shooter.
 
The reason American big men can't shoot free throws is just poor coaching at the lower age levels. In the club environment of many European teams, a tall kid can be coached, taught, and groomed to move on to the big team when he's ready, with no regard to the youth team's win/loss record.
In the US, coaches of high school, summer league, and even junior high teams get canned if they can't produce "winners." This means that if you have a guy who can dominate the middle and get easy buckets from 5 feet or less, said coach isn't going to waste his time trying to teach the kid to wander far from the basket.
In my high school (back in the Stone Age), we had a tall kid who was second in the state in rebounding as a freshman and led the state the next three years. The coach didn't give a damn about developing his skills for college or the pros, just had him do what he needed to dominate the interior and try to get coach his "w." Our fearless coach almost had a heart attack when the big guy wandered more that 10 feet from the hoop. Having Big Jim spend time developing the outside game or using up valuable time coaching him on the fine art of foul shooting were out of the question.
 
FresnoBob said:
The reason American big men can't shoot free throws is just poor coaching at the lower age levels. In the club environment of many European teams, a tall kid can be coached, taught, and groomed to move on to the big team when he's ready, with no regard to the youth team's win/loss record.
In the US, coaches of high school, summer league, and even junior high teams get canned if they can't produce "winners." This means that if you have a guy who can dominate the middle and get easy buckets from 5 feet or less, said coach isn't going to waste his time trying to teach the kid to wander far from the basket.
In my high school (back in the Stone Age), we had a tall kid who was second in the state in rebounding as a freshman and led the state the next three years. The coach didn't give a damn about developing his skills for college or the pros, just had him do what he needed to dominate the interior and try to get coach his "w." Our fearless coach almost had a heart attack when the big guy wandered more that 10 feet from the hoop. Having Big Jim spend time developing the outside game or using up valuable time coaching him on the fine art of foul shooting were out of the question.
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Thats really sad. You yanks are obsessed with the winning rather than the taking part. Then again, it was probably the coach's job on the line.

Still, I don't see how Shaq and the rest can't get better through practise.
 
After winning the NCAA championship coaching Marquette, Al McGuire became a long-time basketball announcer. He would watch a lot of the big men shoot from the line and comment that it was too late to correct the mechanical flaws in their shooting motion--it needed to be done when they were much younger. I don't necessarily believe it, but for all the "practice" Shaq and the others take, it doesn't appear that anyone is filming the technique, breaking it down, and trying to have them alter the basic mechanics of the shot. It's just "keep shooting 'til you get better."
 
Lakers looked pretty good today. Guess the series is back on now. Game 4 will be pivotal. Either down 3-1 or even at 2 going back to SA.

Thank goodness the Nets won tonight. I'm getting sick of this crap the Pistons call basketball. They'll advance where I hope the Pacers beat them.
 
MrMarcello said:
Lakers looked pretty good today. Guess the series is back on now. Game 4 will be pivotal. Either down 3-1 or even at 2 going back to SA.

Thank goodness the Nets won tonight. I'm getting sick of this crap the Pistons call basketball. They'll advance where I hope the Pacers beat them.
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yeah..shaq was a monster..sshhheeettt..the guy shot 11-13 grabbed 15 boards and blocked EIGHT shots..madness

:lol: i'm wondering how a kings-pistons finals would be like..give credit to them..they can really play defense..
 
soulblight3r said:
yeah..shaq was a monster..sshhheeettt..the guy shot 11-13 grabbed 15 boards and blocked EIGHT shots..madness

:lol: i'm wondering how a kings-pistons finals would be like..give credit to them..they can really play defense..
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Kings-Pistons would be complete trash... rather watch Survivor reruns (and I hate reality shows)... teams that score 64 points have no business playing for a championship... this is not the NCAA...

I still think the Spurs/Lakers winner will take the title, although I expect the Pacers to win the east and have a legitimate shot at beating the west champion.
 
soulblight3r said:
ggaaahhh..kings threw it away.. :annoyed:
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See! fecking free throws again. Cvnts, even Christie, who is an 80% shooter, cocked it up. His wife is going to beat his ass for that!

That crazy call when it should have been Kings possession, instead it became free throws for the T-wolves. League plot to ensure a long series.

San Antonio will win the title.
 
blardee hell...how do they expect to win this series nuch less the championship when they can't blardee make freethrows and keep turning the ball over..

granted peja kinda saved us late in the game and scored all our OT points but he could've put the game away if he had made his FTs..95% FT shooter in the regular season and he only makes 4-7..
 
Grinner the Gooner said:
That crazy call when it should have been Kings possession, instead it became free throws for the T-wolves. League plot to ensure a long series.

San Antonio will win the title.
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soulblight3r said:
why spurs or lakers?? doesn't anyone here have faith in the kings??!
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r u guys kidding??? its gonna be the wolves!!!! Go KG!!!!!
 
See, Free Throws fecking kill us. Its hard to fault Peja after he singlehandedly forced overtime, but he did miss some important FT's. And yet again, Doug Christie, who is an 87%er, misses them in the last minutes.

That last KG shot was amazing, and showed why he is a superstar.

That has to be the fastest 4 fouls by a single player in Sam Cassell!

Bibby fouling out really cost us the game.
 
What a game that Minn-Sac game was. Kings made a great comeback considering that they were down 10 points with a minute left. Peja made some great shots, but Spree was dumb fouling him on a three point shot. And Bibby was stupid getting T'd up near the end of the game. KG's shot was amazing and he probably got fouled on it.

Seems again like the four best teams are in the west.
 
soulblight3r said:
why spurs or lakers?? doesn't anyone here have faith in the kings??! :(
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ya.but I don't want to see the Lakers in the semis
sigh...spurs 2-2 Lakers...
Spurs ruined my life :mad:
 
Jacqueline_S said:
ya.but I don't want to see the Lakers in the semis
sigh...spurs 2-2 Lakers...
Spurs ruined my life :mad:
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KG is GOD :) lol... i cant help getting back to that last throw from KG... he looks up looks at the clock at the other end... 2 seconds.. jus jumps and lets go... hes Da man!

and the best part is.. the guy is so humble... unlike some of our lakers superstars!!!
 
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