Again you've been saying this since day one that Hakeem and only three good years. He had FIVE. He was averaging 18 and 10 in the 97-98 season and that was his fifteenth year in the league. Its only after that he declined. In that case Klay only this year has really set himself apart. Thats only one good season. Again the future doesn't count. He has averaged 21 points and 3 rebounds a game over the past two seasons. Butler has done the same for me the past two seasons. Chandler was defensive player of the year once. Alonzo won it twice in two consecutive years. And he led the NBA in blocks in two seasons as well.
NBA Draft Matchup 3 | RDCR vs. Eboue
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Who won? 
There doesn't seem to be a timer on this poll. @Rado_N
So this means Eboue won?
Let me know.
He gave me a weird reason for that. For now its a tie.
RDCR requested poll be extended to Sunday midnight so I had to remove the original close time.
Ah, the mystery is solved! Cheers Damo.
Bit unusual to have an extension on the polling like that though.
I thought I'd put a time on it!
You didn't do any of the polls for these threads. RDCR tagged me and I added them. I know, it's shocking I add polls but look at mod log.
Think he added it because Eboue was boring everyone to death.
No I know, but then Samid had a little meltdown about them not having closing times so I added them in after.
Closing times are essential. Look at the chaos the removal of the closing time has created in this thread.
I added 24 hour polls to all 3 so no idea why closing time disappeared.
I had closing times on them all! Blame RDCR for requesting an extension then deleting his post later on which resulted in confusion about when poll ends.
You're welcome by the way.
Sorry about the confusion lads. You can close it whenever.
He only played 47 games in 98, that's half a season. Also Klay Thompson only one good season? Wow.
Hakeem was basically equal to Barkley! Less points, rebounds and assists. More turnovers, more fouls, worse eFG%, worse free throw percentage, less minutes on the floor. Barkley is on my bench and Hakeem is your star player.
Wow! Are you not looking at the games column? Hakeem played 160 games in that same period and started more games. And still is less than a point off, 2 rebs off but more than makes up for it in the blocks column. "Hakeem was basically equal to Barkley"
Hakeem was basically equal to Barkley! Less points, rebounds and assists. More turnovers, more fouls, worse eFG%, worse free throw percentage, less minutes on the floor. Barkley is on my bench and Hakeem is your star player.
Yes because he played for two more years. Blocks are such an overrated stat, not nearly as valuable as steals. A steal gets you possession, a block goes out of bounds or to the other team at least half the time. 2 blocks more than makes up for 3 rebounds and more points and assists?
Dude the differences youre talking about are absolutely miniscule. Its not like Barkley leads Hakeem by over 10% points in every category. And if Hakeem played two more years then why bring up the argument that Barkley is the same. Didnt they come into the league at the same time? So for Hakeem to do all this consisently for a longer period of time is testament to him not to Barkley.
And I cant find that video but Kenny Smith said on TNT that Hakeem was different when it came to shot blocking because he wouldnt just knock it out of the court like Howard did. He would actually try and knock it to his teammates. You cant ignore such a huge category like blocks just because it doesnt work in your favor. And youre saying steals are valuable but Hakeem still averaged more steals than Barkley. So whats your point? Your guys averaged half a point more, 3 rebs more and 1 assist more than my guy during the same period. Wow! What a huge difference that is going to make in the grand scheme of things.
My point isn't that Barkley is massively superior or anything. My point is that Hakeem is your star and Barkley is on my bench. And they are pretty damn similar.
You included the last 3 years where Hakeem averaged around 10 or lesser points so no shit his averages dropped significantly. I said he had 5 good years. So youre going three years beyond that and making the argument they are the same. I just made the argument as to how they are not similar but I guess you either chose to ignore it or maybe didnt understand it.
Let me try and explain it to you in simpler terms. If I hypothetically played 2 games in the NBA and Barkley played 500 and I scored 25 points and rebounded 10 times during the two games my average is 25 and 10 but Barkley played 498 games more than me so lets say his average is 22 and 9 for his whole career. Even though I have better numbers than him does that make me a better player or "basically the same" as Barkley? No because he played longer and was more consisent for a longer period of time.
I included every season for both players that qualified for the draft. I didn't cherry pick anything.
Hakeem is a more balanced player imo. Barkley may give option to score more, but in blocking/stealing, Hakeem was significantly better.
Hakeem was probably better, I'm not denying that. But Barkley is my 7th option, Hakeem is his first.
I switch back to RDCR07...
Thing is, I don't rate Barkley that highly in this draft because his peak was pre-95. The question is whether Hakeem showed enough post-95 to be considered significantly better or not.
The most interesting game so far.
The timeline isn't post 95. Its post 93, starting from the 94 season. Hakeem had just won the MVP in the 93 season. Hakeem and the Rockets won the 94 and 95 championship. He started off with two rings and was averaging 26 and 10 between 94 and 96 and 3.5 blocks a game. He was in his peak in those playoff performances in 94 and 95. Those were his best years in terms of points scored. He was an All-Star till the 97 season.
Yeah tbh I had Hakeem down as the clear 2nd best center in the draft after Shaq. Eboue's stats just made me think twice, but you're right about the criteria starting with the 94-95 season and he was ace then.
For me Hakeem is best C in the draft,also we need to note that Hakeem dominating young Shaq in 95 CF,as well Hakeem was not getting younger in 95.Criteria is from 94 season which means we need to consider Hakeem's performance during those period, back to back CS for Rockets and the Final MVP.
After having read 2 pages, think I'll let my vote to RDCR stand....if this match is still live.
When will this damn thing be over?
This is the match that never ends. It just goes on and on and on...
Voted RDCR, but almost don't want to. Eboue's shooters (if they get hot) could destroy everybody. If the poll is open, I may change/not vote. I just think Hakeem has been represented poorly here - he was dominant in the first few years here, and it should matter. This is (for me) a peak draft - not who did well for 10 years. Also if Hakeem had only a few good years, Curry has had 2.