NBA Draft Matchup 3 | RDCR vs. Eboue

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RD: Olajuwon, Webber, Nash, McGrady, Marion, Melo, Mourning, Bowen, Butler, Baron Davis

Eboue: Curry, Nowitzki, Carter, Davis, Thompson, Peja, Barkley, Chandler, Sheed, Ricky Rubio

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Start debating with who your starting five and bench are, individual matchups, overall strength of your team, how many minutes your players are going to play etc.

- regarding your offensive & defensive strategy
- a short description of your players: style of play, stats, awards, trophies, quotes...
- why each manager thinks he should win
- Gifs or Youtube videos are the welcome
- facts that enable the voter to visualize the 1 vs 1 battles
- the potential complementarity of the players

 
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Our starting lineup:

C - Hakeem Olajuwon
PF - Chris Webber
SF - Bruce Bowen
SG - Tracy McGrady
PG - Steve Nash

Bench:
C - Alonzo Mourning
PF - Shawn Marion
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Jimmy Butler
PG - Baron Davis
 
Start debating with who your starting five and bench are, individual matchups, overall strength of your team, how many minutes your players are going to play etc.
 
The voters need to have more information:

- regarding your offensive & defensive strategy
- a short description of your players: style of play, stats, awards, trophies, quotes...
- why each manager thinks he should win
- Gifs or Youtube videos are the welcome
- facts that enable the voter to visualize the 1 vs 1 battles
- the potential complementarity of the players
 
At center I am starting Tyson Chandler, the best defensive center of his era. Tyson Chandler is second all time in field goal percentage because he knows his limitations and doesn't take bad shots. He is a monster pick and roll player, finishing lobs from Chris Paul in his early career and shooting an incredible 68% in 2012. He was the heart of the Dallas defense in 2011 that shocked the world to win a title and his consistent dominant defense saw him rewarded with the Defensive Player Of The Year award in 2012. Chandler twice led the league in offensive rebounds, is an unselfish player who doesn't need possessions on offense to dominate on defense. There are lots of great offensive centers in this draft and Hakeem is one of the best but Chandler spent a career going up against Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, and company and more than held his own. Shaq averaged 28 and 12 in his prime but only 15 and 7 against Chandler for example.

At power forward is Dirk Nowitzki, the greatest international player and greatest shooting big man of all time. I'm sure I don't need to explain why he is so great. Matching up against Chris Webber is one of his most similar players. Webber was also a good shooter and rebounder while being a great passer. Despite Webber being a good shooter, his range extended to deep midrange, not three point range. Dirk made almost 7 times as many threes as Webber (at a much higher percentage), led his team to a championship and just averaged 18 points per game at 37 years old. Chris Webber was done at 32 and done as a top level players a few years earlier than that.

Vince Carter will start at power forward and face Bruce Bowen. Carter has incredible athleticism and excellent three point shooting and is a willing passer with the ability to play the 2 or the 3. He's a great clutch player who will not struggle against Bruce Bowen (averaged 22 points against him head to head).



In the backcourt are the splash brothers who surely need no introduction. The two greatest shooters of all time who have played with each other for years and developed an unstoppable chemistry and understand. Both above average defenders (Thompson an elite one), both above average passers (Curry an elite one), and both over 42% three point shooters while taking an incredible amount.

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Offensive strategy

Rain threes and get offensive rebounds in order to shoot more threes. This team has the greatest shooters at PF, SG and PG of all time and another very good one at SF. It will use the 1 in 4 out offensive with an emphasis on dribble drive kick. Chandler will hold his own on the boards while Chris Webber is neutralized at the rim by chasing Dirk all over the three point line. Thompson and Curry are good rebounders for their position and Carter is decent too. This team won't win the rebounding matchup but it will shoot so many threes that it only needs to keep it close. There is no real correlation with rebounding and winning if you have the other assets to make up for it. San Antonio was 24th in rebounding this year while Chicago was 3rd. Steph Curry will torch Steve Nash, a turnstile defender in his best days, and Tracy McGrady won't be able to keep up with Klay Thompson's tireless running and still provide offense that RDCR desperately needs on the other end when he is starting someone like Bruce Bowen. Too many of his players are one way guys. Nash can't play defense and Bowen can't play offense. McGrady can't do both at an elite level without dipping in quality.


Defensive strategy

Steph Curry will guard Bruce Bowen, a complete non threat whose only contribution was averaging one made three per game. Thompson will guard Nash and Carter will guard McGrady with lots of switching on pick and rolls. Nowitzki and Chandler will rebound defensively. Steph Curry won't spend much time guarding Bowen, we will mostly give him the Tony Allen treatment of ignoring him so that Steph Curry (the league leader in steals the past two years) can run around the court swiping the ball and providing double teams and help defense. Guards and wings will funnel their man into Tyson Chandler whenever they try to drive, relying on the former defensive player of the year to block and alter shots.


Bench

My strategy asks a lot from my big men, which is why I have one more than most teams. Barkley, Davis and Sheed off the bench will allow us to constantly rotate if anyone gets in foul trouble against Hakeem. It also gives our bigs the ability to go all out and not conserve energy. The downside to this is one less wing player. My solution is to use Carter at the 2 and 3 as needed allowing us to go big with Carter playing 2 and Peja playing 3 while having an incredible defender and passer in Ricky Rubio off the bench.




The reason my team will win is that it has the numbers and the strength to combat his big men down low and no one way players like Nash or Bowen. Golden State has proven the value of elite shooting and how they can ruthlessly seek out a weak link on defense. The team has 4 three point contest winners and several other excellent three point shooters (Rasheed, Davis, Carter). The team also has two sets of title winning teammates (Dirk/Peja/Chandler on the 11 Mavs and the Splash Brothers).
 
I'd love to post TLDR, but I read it all and I'm convinced.
 
I like adex's team, but I want to know how he can deal with Eboue's offense. Nash simply won't be able to go near Curry, let alone stop him shooting (in fact, who can do that?). Sure, Eboue will struggle with T-Mac and Hakeem, but still, I think that Curry and Thompson are too much too handle from adex.

Not voting now cause I want to read all the counter arguments, but as it is, Eboue gets my vote for nuking the shit out of adex's basket.
 
Starting at Center, is probably the best center of all-time if not one of the top 3 centers of all time - Hakeem Olajuwon. One of the most dominant players of all time on both ends of the floor. I haven't seen anyone properly shut him down. From the time he came into the league he didn't average less than 20 points and 11 rebs until the 97-98 season and he came into the league in 84. There is no way either of those centers can hang with Hakeem. I won't tell you what he did to the then MVP David Robinson who is one of the premier defenders of all time. But I will show you....



Please the great David Robinson couldnt do anything to stop Hakeem and this was in the 95 season playoffs. One of the best individual performances just for the sheer dominance he displayed. And if Robinson couldn't stop Hakeem there is no absolute no way in hell Tyson Chandler could stop Hakeem. And on the offensive end Chandler can't do anything either because Hakeem was an absolute beast on the defensive end as well. Hakeem was averaging more than 3 blocks per game for most of his career. He was also a good passer averaging more than 3 assists.

What most people forget about Hakeem is just he is one of the most mobile players for a big man. He can cross, handle the ball and just dribble past his opponents with ease. He could isolate his opponent and can either shoot the jumper or just drive past him up and dunk. His footwork and his basics were so sound that the likes of Kobe, Lebron, Dwight and Melo have all gone to learn post moves from Hakeem in the past decade.



At PF is one of the best forwards of the last 2 decades - Chris Webber. I know Rasheed is a good defender as well but again whether its Chandler, Rasheed, Davis or Dirk they just can't guard my 4 and 5 - Hakeem and Webber. They are just too sound and too good offensively to keep them quiet. They will dominate the paint on both ends of the floor. A 5 time all-star, Webber could do everything - score at will, rebound, pass, block and get steals.



At SF we have one of the best defenders in the recent past - Bruce Bowen. He was an integral part of the Spurs Championship winning teams in the last decade. He has gone up against some of the all time best and has definitely held his own. He is a 5 time All Defensive First team player from 2003 to the 2008 season and a 3 time All Defensive Second Team from 2000 to 2003 season. Thats 8 consecutive seasons he was in the top 10 defensive players. He is a shut down defender and there are not many better than him at the SF position.

At SG, we have one time MVP, a 7 time All-Star and a two time scoring champion - Tracy McGrady. If not for injuries he could seriously been one of the best SG's of all time. Having said that he came into the league in 97 and didn't have injury problems till like the 2008 season. He didn't just shoot he could rebound as well average almost 6.5 rebounds in his prime and 5.5 assists. He was also a premier defender. And who can forget when he scored 13 points in 35 seconds against the Spurs....



At PG, this little fella was a two-time MVP, 8 time All Star and 5 time NBA assists leader and 3rd all time in assists behind Kidd and Stockton - Steve Nash. One of the best passers of all time and a pure shooter. He shot 52% from the floor and shot 43% from the three point line. Him working in tandem with Hakeem and Webber and the pick and rolls they win run make my team again indefensible. He is a proper leader on the offensive end.

Defensive Strategy:

"The reason my team will win is that it has the numbers and the strength to combat his big men down low" -
that made me almost spit out my drink. Please anyway you look at it his big men have no chance against mine. Like I mentioned before they will have no paint game. Hakeem was also a 5 time All Defensive 1st team and 4 time All Defensive 2nd team and is the all time leader in shot blocks in history. His team will have to focus mostly on shooting threes. While they may be high % shooters, we have seen from time to time, they do have off games. His argument is to get offensive rebs - is he joking? With Mourning, Hakeem, Webber, T-Mac, Marion and Melo I have height from starters to the bench. They can't drive and they can't give it to their bigs to score down low. Both Webber and Hakeem are mobile enough to keep up with Dirk. They better not miss if they shoot from the outside because there is no way they will get 2nd chance rebounds.

I'm okay with Vince Carter and Dirk hoisting 3s. Put McGrady on Curry and Bowen, an excellent defender, on Thompson. As shown in previous series against lockdown teams, they can be forced into subsequent bad shooting nights. Dirk and Carter are good 3 shooters, but you can't shoot your way to 4 wins without a more balanced approach.

I have proper rotation from the bench when I need help. With Mourning, Marion and Buttler all elite defenders. Mourning was a 2 time NBA defensive player of the year, 2 time All NBA Defensive 1st team and 2 time NBA block leader. The match-ups when I start off are going to be Hakeem vs Chandler, Webber vs. Dirk, T-Mac vs. Carter, Bowen vs. Klay and Nash vs. Curry. If Nash is struggling defensively I can always give Baron Davis a chance who is also a good passer and much stronger defensively against Curry. When Bowen and T-Mac need a rest I bring on Marion to guard his best player and Buttler to guard Klay.

Even with my bench players I have great rebounding all over the floor. Alonzo was averaging over 10 rebs a game. Marion was averaged 9 rebs a game for his entire and his best rebounding years he averaged 11.3 and 11.8 two years in a row. Even Carmelo chips in with rebounds averaging more than 7 rebs a game. So his strategy to get rebounds won't be that easy.

Also his "Tony Allen" strategy only worked against a team already anemic from the three point line. Mike Conley had a broken face. Courtney Lee is the bitchiest 3 point shooter I have ever seen. Moving Bogut to mark Tony Allen worked for the following reasons:

Draymond Green is an excellent "free safety". An injured Mike Conley, and Marc Gasol, could not take advantage of Green in the paint. Green, and any other center or power forward substitute, would get obliterated by Olajuwon if that happened. Plus, no one on that team can act as a free safety.
Tony Allen could not shoot the 3 with any level of reliability. You could not ignore Bowen at the 3 point line.
Courtney Lee is not a volume shooter, and hesitated/refused to shoot the 3. and GS's defense could contract on our 1-2 punch in Z-Bo and Gasol. You ain't getting that with Nash/McGrady.

For further proof of the ineffectiveness of the "Tony Allen" strategy in most situations, against OKC with excellent shooters and defenders in Kevin Durant and Westbrook, Memphis Grizzlies pushed the Thunder to 7 games in 2 series, and won 1 series against them enroute to the conference finals.
 
Offensive Strategy:
Where do I even start? 4 of the 5 starters can shoot and score when ever they want regardless of who is guarding them. Three of them are MVPs. All Nash had to do is play pick and roll with Webber or just give the ball to Hakeem down low and get out of the way. We all know how effective that pick and roll was with Stoudamire at Phoenix and Amare isn't even half the player Webber is. Another option is T-Mac you iso him against Carter and 9 out of 10 times I take my chance with that matchup. I think mobility is something that is the strong suit of my team. And another strength is shooting from people all over the floor except maybe Mourning who has to rely more on his post game to score. And I apparently need T-Mac so desperately to score as Eboue puts it. I can't help but laugh at that. Even if T-mac score single digits I have a well rounded scoring team where everyone else will pick up the slack and I think he has forgotten I have Carmelo Anthony coming of the bench.

And even with my bench, I have scorers in Melo who averages 25 points a season over his career and was a scoring champion once. Marion was someone who was so underrated. He was so effective on both ends of the floor. In his Phoenix years, he averaged almost 20 points and 10 rebounds a game. Baron Davis another option of the bench to score. And Buttler has emerged as a terrific player over the past two seasons averaging over 20 points for the Bulls. Even Mourning was averaging more than 20 points and 10 rebounds a game. Any way you slice and dash I have a proper balanced team of scoring, rebounding, defending, assisting and scoring.

His Anthony Davis is a three point option argument is really dumb. He has shot only 100 threes this season and he made 32 of them. Thats 32%. Its just one season. You can't argue for the future. The timeline ends with this season. If that the case then I can use Webber as a proper 3 point option at the 4 since he shot 150 threes in one season and 205 in the season after and he averaged 36% for the two seasons which is still better than Davis.


Recap:

So to recap when it comes to offense, I can run multiple schemes. I can run the pick and roll with Webber. Or dump the ball to Olajuwon and watch him wreck any contender in the paint. As his 4 assists per game between 94 and 97 proves if the double came to help he could easily dish it out to T-Mac, Bowen or Nash. T-Mac could play the 2 or the 3. He could shoot from the 3 or midrange over smaller defenders and he could drive to the basket due to his size. Collapsing the defense that much will open space for shooters out wide. Bowen can't be ignored on the perimeter.

Bench can slash with the rest. Key on the bench is balance and clutch. Players who know their space and can fit into a team concept. Mourning with the paint defense. Marion with the roving defense and midrange scoring. Melo with the volume shooting. Butler with the lockdown defense. Davis to collapse the defense with his dribbling and driving, opening up much needed space for the rest of the teammates. Eboue doesn't have more than one player who can make his way to the basket with ease regardless of coverage. Curry is an incredible shooter but without Draymond Green his ability to set the offense is decent. He lacks a pure PG or someone like Nash, who made teams offensive juggernauts single-handedly.
 
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I voted for RDCR because I think that in basketball more than any other sport, a team takes the personality of its coach. RDCR has shown a steadfast determination and singlemindedness that reminds me of the great 95 Chicago Bulls or 85 Boston Celtics in their will to win. He's not getting sidetracked by drama and hurt feelings like Eboue is. Eboue is making the same mistakes as 97 Utah Jazz. I think Phil Jackson would agree that talented high maintenance sides may look better on paper but as we all know, Redcafe NBA Drafts aren't played in paper they are played on the pitch. And on the pitch, I'll take RDCR because of their mental strength and also because less of their players are in wheelchairs.
 
I voted for RDCR because I think that in basketball more than any other sport, a team takes the personality of its coach. RDCR has shown a steadfast determination and singlemindedness that reminds me of the great 95 Chicago Bulls or 85 Boston Celtics in their will to win. He's not getting sidetracked by drama and hurt feelings like Eboue is. Eboue is making the same mistakes as 97 Utah Jazz. I think Phil Jackson would agree that talented high maintenance sides may look better on paper but as we all know, Redcafe NBA Drafts aren't played in paper they are played on the pitch. And on the pitch, I'll take RDCR because of their mental strength and also because less of their players are in wheelchairs.
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I voted for RDCR because I think that in basketball more than any other sport, a team takes the personality of its coach. RDCR has shown a steadfast determination and singlemindedness that reminds me of the great 95 Chicago Bulls or 85 Boston Celtics in their will to win. He's not getting sidetracked by drama and hurt feelings like Eboue is. Eboue is making the same mistakes as 97 Utah Jazz. I think Phil Jackson would agree that talented high maintenance sides may look better on paper but as we all know, Redcafe NBA Drafts aren't played in paper they are played on the pitch. And on the pitch, I'll take RDCR because of their mental strength and also because less of their players are in wheelchairs.

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@RDCR07 , if you out T-Mac on Curry and Bowen on Thompson, it means that Nash will have to defend Carter. Seriously, that isn't going to happen. It will be free scoring for Carter.

I agree that you have the better centers and you will easily dominate when it comes to rebounds. Saying that, Hakeem isn't a top 3 center of all time. Jabbar, Chamberlain, O'Neal and probably Russell were better. No shame in that though, you still have the second best center in the draft, and he will destroy Chandler.
 
Destroy him in what way? On defense? No he won't. Defensive players of the year don't get destroyed. That's a silly comment.
He's going against Hakeem though, one of the top overall and attacking centers of all time. That is a battle won by them. Yep, Chandler might do a good job and neutralize him at times, but in the end, there is only a winner on that duel.
 
Like I said, my team won't win the rebounding battle but they won't lose by that much either. Davis has averaged 10 rebounds per game the last three years, Chandler twice led the league in offensive rebounds, plus the Round Mound Of Rebound himself who averaged more than 10 per game every year except his rookie year.
 
He's going against Hakeem though, one of the top overall and attacking centers of all time. That is a battle won by them. Yep, Chandler might do a good job and neutralize him at times, but in the end, there is only a winner on that duel.

Why though? Tyson Chandler was recognized as the best defensive player in the entire league one year. Hakeem had THREE GOOD YEARS during this draft. That's it. Three! Why is that supposed to make him a deal breaker? Why does that even make him better than Anthony Davis? Davis also had three good years.
 
Why though? Tyson Chandler was recognized as the best defensive player in the entire league one year. Hakeem had THREE GOOD YEARS during this draft. That's it. Three! Why is that supposed to make him a deal breaker? Why does that even make him better than Anthony Davis? Davis also had three good years.
I always had the impression that the draft considers players at their peak after 95. And 3 years is probably enough to be considered for that.

Obviously if it is their overall career after 95, then both Hakeem definitely suffers in that aspect.
 
I always had the impression that the draft considers players at their peak after 95. And 3 years is probably enough to be considered for that.

Obviously if it is their overall career after 95, then both Hakeem definitely suffers in that aspect.

If that was the case then Barkley off the bench is unstoppable.
 
If that was the case then Barkley off the bench is unstoppable.
Yeah, he had 3 great years after 95.

Considering their overall career is better for me. Hakeem and Stockton were risky choices and was mentioned back then.

Why this match has 20 votes?
 
@RDCR07 , if you out T-Mac on Curry and Bowen on Thompson, it means that Nash will have to defend Carter. Seriously, that isn't going to happen. It will be free scoring for Carter.

I agree that you have the better centers and you will easily dominate when it comes to rebounds. Saying that, Hakeem isn't a top 3 center of all time. Jabbar, Chamberlain, O'Neal and probably Russell were better. No shame in that though, you still have the second best center in the draft, and he will destroy Chandler.

We're gonna have to pick our poison on that. I'd rather let Carter shoot than Curry.

Regarding Hakeem, he was one of the few centers who Shaq couldn't say he got the better of.
 
If the draft is ful career rather than peak, then it simply wasn't made clear and the whole thing is a waste of time
 
If the draft is ful career rather than peak, then it simply wasn't made clear and the whole thing is a waste of time
I'm mostly considering on basis of peak. It will probably vary a bit voter to voter and that's fine.

This is a tough one for me because I like Hakeem and Nash a lot as a fan, but RDCR's defense seems to have some issues. Although I'm not entirely convinced by Eboue's 3 point plan - imo you need to be able to threaten inroads into the paint in order to free up space on the line.
 
I voted for RDCR because I think that in basketball more than any other sport, a team takes the personality of its coach. RDCR has shown a steadfast determination and singlemindedness that reminds me of the great 95 Chicago Bulls or 85 Boston Celtics in their will to win. He's not getting sidetracked by drama and hurt feelings like Eboue is. Eboue is making the same mistakes as 97 Utah Jazz. I think Phil Jackson would agree that talented high maintenance sides may look better on paper but as we all know, Redcafe NBA Drafts aren't played in paper they are played on the pitch. And on the pitch, I'll take RDCR because of their mental strength and also because less of their players are in wheelchairs.
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I figured 3 great (not good) yrs is competitive enough.

I'm mostly considering on basis of peak. It will probably vary a bit voter to voter and that's fine.

This is a tough one for me because I like Hakeem and Nash a lot as a fan, but RDCR's defense seems to have some issues. Although I'm not entirely convinced by Eboue's 3 point plan - imo you need to be able to threaten inroads into the paint in order to free up space on the line.

Could you expand on those issues the defense has?
 
Could you expand on those issues the defense has?
For one, I'm not entirely sure who Nash is guarding. You say the match-up will be Nash vs Curry but then say you're fine with Carter and Dirk shooting the 3s. Is T-Mac guarding Curry then? The point is if his 3 point plan works he will have shooters with good matchups on the line to capitalize on it. That's still an if, though.
 
For one, I'm not entirely sure who Nash is guarding. You say the match-up will be Nash vs Curry but then say you're fine with Carter and Dirk shooting the 3s. Is T-Mac guarding Curry then? The point is if his 3 point plan works he will have shooters with good matchups on the line to capitalize on it. That's still an if, though.
Nash is guarding Carter apparently, and I cannot see it ending well.

Nash is great, but really, any team with him was going to struggle in defense (unless it was matched with some non great attacker like my point guard). Eboue has too much attacking power on all point guard, shooting guard and small forward, so whoever Nash is defending, it won't end well for him. If I was adex, I would have gone for Nash vs Curry, which was going to end badly, but still it would be matched somehow. As it is, Nash is completely mismatched with Carter, while T-Mac - who wasn't a great defender in first place - will have to guard a player both shorter and faster than him. So an another mismatch there.
 
For one, I'm not entirely sure who Nash is guarding. You say the match-up will be Nash vs Curry but then say you're fine with Carter and Dirk shooting the 3s. Is T-Mac guarding Curry then? The point is if his 3 point plan works he will have shooters with good matchups on the line to capitalize on it. That's still an if, though.

T-Mac on Curry and Bowen on Thompson.

Look, it's gonna be impossible to lock down all his 3 point shooters. If he runs the PnR long enough someone is gonna be left open. We would rather that open shooter be Carter, who is a great shooter, not an excellent shooter like Curry.

Nash is a mediocre one on one defender at best, but averaged a steal per game. He will have better luck gambling on swingarounds Eboue does trying to find the open shooter. T-Mac isn't as fast as Curry but his length will help. Bowen is to lock down Thompson and frustrate the living bejesus out of him ala Tony Allen last year.

Which leaves Carter, but, what you gonna do?
 
Nash is guarding Carter apparently, and I cannot see it ending well.

Nash is great, but really, any team with him was going to struggle in defense (unless it was matched with some non great attacker like my point guard). Eboue has too much attacking power on all point guard, shooting guard and small forward, so whoever Nash is defending, it won't end well for him. If I was adex, I would have gone for Nash vs Curry, which was going to end badly, but still it would be matched somehow. As it is, Nash is completely mismatched with Carter, while T-Mac - who wasn't a great defender in first place - will have to guard a player both shorter and faster than him. So an another mismatch there.

T-Mac's job is to keep Curry off the line. Curry may be able to drive past him into the lane, but good luck finishing at the rim against Hakeem or Webber. Ditto with Carter who only has license to hoist 3s... We're gambling that he can't carry them to 4 wins off his 3 point shooting alone.
 
I'm mostly considering on basis of peak. It will probably vary a bit voter to voter and that's fine.

This is a tough one for me because I like Hakeem and Nash a lot as a fan, but RDCR's defense seems to have some issues. Although I'm not entirely convinced by Eboue's 3 point plan - imo you need to be able to threaten inroads into the paint in order to free up space on the line.
Defense has issues? The only players who can't defend are Nash and to a certain extent Melo. Everyone else is a top defender. Hakeem, Webber, Alonzo, Marion, Bowen, Butler and Davis are all solid defenders. Davis was two time all NBA steals leader. They are all agile as well and can keep up with his team. I will have Alonzo, Hakeem, Bowen, Butler and T-Mac in at some point and that is one solid unit defensively. I ll take out Nash if he isn't able to keep up with Curry around the court and put in Butler so it will be Butler vs. Curry, Bowen vs. Klay and T-Mac vs. Carter. I don't need a PG to run the game for me for short periods of time. I ll let T-mac handle and he is going to do the same thing - give the ball to Hakeem and get the feck out of the way. I think you're talking about the wrong team having defensive issues.
 
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@RDCR07 , if you out T-Mac on Curry and Bowen on Thompson, it means that Nash will have to defend Carter. Seriously, that isn't going to happen. It will be free scoring for Carter.

I agree that you have the better centers and you will easily dominate when it comes to rebounds. Saying that, Hakeem isn't a top 3 center of all time. Jabbar, Chamberlain, O'Neal and probably Russell were better. No shame in that though, you still have the second best center in the draft, and he will destroy Chandler.
I would have Hakeem on my team over Shaq simply because the former is a more complete player. He can do anything on offense. He wasn't a one trick pony. If he pulls Shaq out one-on-one its practically over. Shaq can't keep up with Hakeem's footwork and if Hakeem can't drive he will pull up for a jumper. He was a good midrange shooter. And even with free-throws Hakeem averaged over 75% from 89-97, well more than Shaq. So you can't Hack-A-Hakeem. If Hakeem pulls out Shaq to play the midrange game and shoots and even if he misses, he will have one less player to rebound because all my players averaged well over 6 rebounds a game except for Butler, Davis and Nash. You double team Hakeem and he is a good passer of the ball and the floor will just open up for Nash, T-Mac or Melo to shoot at will. I have people who can pass the ball very well all across the floor.