NBA 2024-2025 : All Star Weekend

Quick question as an outsider - do players have no agency in trades in the NBA? Couldn't Luka have just refused the move?
They usually don’t. Very few players have a no trade clause, that allows them to veto any trades. But this is very rare.
 
so in NBA, player has no say at all when club wanna move them to another club unlike football ?

Yeah. The simple explanation is that players are techncailly employees of the league but their rights are attributed to a particular franchise via draft, trade or free agency.
 
Yeah. The simple explanation is that players are techncailly employees of the league but their rights are attributed to a particular franchise via draft, trade or free agency.
so what would happened if an nba player doesn't want to be traded to another franchise ? the franchise would have to sue him or void his contract ?
 
so what would happened if an nba player doesn't want to be traded to another franchise ? the franchise would have to sue him or void his contract ?

They have no say in it unless they have a trade clause. It is important to keep in mind that it is the contract that is traded whether the player accept it or not is irrelevant, his rights aren't owned by the team that traded him. Now the player is free to not play, in which case he will be fined and after a certain time the franchise isn't obligated to pay him. But generally speaking players with particular value aren't traded to places where they really don't want to be.
 
Depends what long term is but it would be funny if he quits this summer, imagine the content


Score one for my Nico Harrison is intentionally screwing over the ownership theory
 
The way the Lakers keep on landing some of the most talented players of every decade is astonishing. I know that they're one of the 2 historic powerhouse franchises together with the Celtics (while being a bigger market than Boston) and they have that Hollywood allure but still...crazy.
I don't know about the Lakers playing style but as a market asset Luka is perfect. Young, talented international star that speaks perfect Spanish to boot.
 
Durant to Warriors is picking up steam. Some reliable journos discussing this.
 
is he way past his prime ?
It'd be the last dance type of thing. One last hurrah with Curry and Draymond, they'd be contenders with him.

I can actually see Suns doing that. Apparently it'd be Butler to Suns, Durant to Warriors... if Miami can fleece both of them and get some of Warriors future picks, this could be great for them. Warriors 2027+ picks are probably the best assets you can obtain right now.
 
My Blazers can't stop winning. 7 in the last 8, easily disposed of in-form Indiana team. This feels like bubble Suns, chemistry has been insane lately.
 
Durant to Warriors is picking up steam. Some reliable journos discussing this.
Mavs apparently want him too but will soon realize they have nothing to offer Suns. Maybe if they actually traded Luka for a proper package, they could reroute some of that to get KD… even having another of Lakers picks would be helpful.
 
It'd be the last dance type of thing. One last hurrah with Curry and Draymond, they'd be contenders with him.

I can actually see Suns doing that. Apparently it'd be Butler to Suns, Durant to Warriors... if Miami can fleece both of them and get some of Warriors future picks, this could be great for them. Warriors 2027+ picks are probably the best assets you can obtain right now.

It’s going to be a difficult deal for Durant in the first place, you’d think Kuminga and Podz would be involved as well as Wiggins for salary purposes alone, also adding in Schroeder who is eligible from today to be aggregated I believe, plus picks.

Their depth would be decimated, would be interesting to see.
 
It’s going to be a difficult deal for Durant in the first place, you’d think Kuminga and Podz would be involved as well as Wiggins for salary purposes alone, also adding in Schroeder who is eligible from today to be aggregated I believe, plus picks.

Their depth would be decimated, would be interesting to see.
I think it would be reasonably straightforward actually. They'd include Wiggins, Kuminga and a salary filler, plus they own all their picks except 2030 which goes to Washington but is 1-20 protected, so they could easily claim it back by offering them a couple of second round picks instead. If I'm Phoenix, I'm taking that deal as long as I get their first round picks unprotected or with very light protections... but they seem to want Butler.

More noises that Phoenix are listening to offers, I could also see Rockets being interested. They own many of Phoenix future picks so could just give them back in return, this makes total sense for Phoenix if their intention is to rebuild... which again, I'm not sure it is given that they want Butler (I don't get it, swap Durant for Butler and you have a much worse, and equally expensive team with no upside).
 
I think it would be reasonably straightforward actually. They'd include Wiggins, Kuminga and a salary filler, plus they own all their picks except 2030 which goes to Washington but is 1-20 protected, so they could easily claim it back by offering them a couple of second round picks instead. If I'm Phoenix, I'm taking that deal as long as I get their first round picks unprotected or with very light protections... but they seem to want Butler.

More noises that Phoenix are listening to offers, I could also see Rockets being interested. They own many of Phoenix future picks so could just give them back in return, this makes total sense for Phoenix if their intention is to rebuild... which again, I'm not sure it is given that they want Butler (I don't get it, swap Durant for Butler and you have a much worse, and equally expensive team with no upside).

Would have to be Wiggins/Kuminga/Schroeder/Payton plus picks and they would need to take a couple of mins back for salary purposes as they are near to the first hard cap I believe.
 
Ok just saw that ESPN gonna switch to Lakers game instead due probably Luka debut or w/e, can they do that when ever?, not when its colliding with another network but in general. Was always wonder whats the point of big match ups on national TV when top players on both side not gonna play (happened few times).
 
Not overly enthused about this, but at least we didn't have to give up too much to get him. However, paying him 121 million for 2 yrs IMLTHO is crazy.

Crazy money, but Curry and Draymond's contract also expire in 2027 too, so plenty of cap space freed up for the reset then.

Also, Butler is still really good. He's got better impact numbers than I thought.
 
We needed someone to match up with Wemby going forward and Williams fits the profile.
 
The Los Angeles Lakers are trading Dalton Knecht, Cam Reddish, a 2031 unprotected first-round pick and a 2030 pick swap to the Charlotte Hornets for center Mark Williams, sources tell ESPN.
Yes. That's timelord, yeah? That's not a different mark williams? And the hornets are getting Knecht
 
Yes. That's timelord, yeah? That's not a different mark williams? And the hornets are getting Knecht

So I'm not the only one mixing up certain players. In my mind Mark Williams is Robert Williams and Miles Bridges is Mikal Bridges, until I engage my brain. :lol:
 
So I'm not the only one mixing up certain players. In my mind Mark Williams is Robert Williams and Miles Bridges is Mikal Bridges, until I engage my brain. :lol:
In my defence, I'm a normal person so all I know about the Hornets is they have LaMelo and the Blazers play in Portland...
 
Ah shit. There's too many Williamses around!

So who the feck is this Mark Williams fella then? He any good?

If he is past his health issues it’s a great deal, essentially:

16/10/3/1/1 on 60%FG, 78%FT

Surprised he’s even available to be honest.

On a separate note, feel like the Butler trade is awful, he’s now signed for 60+ for 2 years, is basically a team cancer and how long until Draymond smacks him?

But GSW basically had no choice if they wanted to maximise curry’s last couple of years.
 
Solid rim runner who can provide vertical spacing on offense. Mediocre rim protector at best though; he's not really a good defender.

Which is strange to me as he was known for his defence coming out of college, he’s no Gobert but Charlottes defence from what I remember was much improved when he was on the court to off of it.
 
Which is strange to me as he was known for his defence coming out of college, he’s no Gobert but Charlottes defence from what I remember was much improved when he was on the court to off of it.
Ah looks like you're right historically but he's fallen off a cliff this year in terms of on/off:


Probably a solid bet to bounce back given his age and being motivated on a winning team, in fairness - and looking at on/off is probably the fairest way to do so rather than by the raw stats as I was doing.
 
Ah looks like you're right historically but he's fallen off a cliff this year in terms of on/off:


Probably a solid bet to bounce back given his age and being motivated on a winning team, in fairness - and looking at on/off is probably the fairest way to do so rather than by the raw stats as I was doing.


Yeah I don’t think he’s elite defensively, but a much bigger upgrade over Hayes, provides Doncic with an athletic rim running big as well to open up his game, 23 and on a nice deal for now, think he’s 6/7th in the league for PER (not that I’m a huge fan of this stat).
 
Seems like Charlotte was able to get not much less from Lakers for Williams than what Mavs got for Doncic. No AD but not much between Christie and Knecht, the pick they got is much better and there’s a swap on top. Nice.
 
Yeah I don’t think he’s elite defensively, but a much bigger upgrade over Hayes, provides Doncic with an athletic rim running big as well to open up his game, 23 and on a nice deal for now, think he’s 6/7th in the league for PER (not that I’m a huge fan of this stat).
Oh for sure he's a huge upgrade - as long as he can stay healthy
 
surprised blazers haven’t made any trades. was expecting jerami to be traded.
There's still time to make trades today. I don't think Grant will be moved as I don't see many suitors at his current salary but think there could be some moves for Simons/Williams.
 
I think Lakers need to be seriously considered a contender now. If Luka comes back in good form they have everything they need to compete.
 
Dont tell me rumors are true that Hornets called Lakers for a trade, that would be mega funny