We admitted we bid for him?
Nasri To City - Done Deal!
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We admitted we bid for him?
Lets not forget he's just turned 24. Even if things don't quite work out we could sell him in 3-4 years for a profit.
That's the way we appear to do business, makes perfect sense.
Where is that info from?
Why would he sell it to Shitty and strengthen the team which are gonna be title chasers for next season?
No, earlier in the week they reported we'd only bid if we understood that Nasri knew of our interest and told us he wanted to join us.
I.E. we wouldn't have bidded if we thought Nasri was undecided or wanted to go to Shitty or Chelsea, he had to make it clear to us.
Who is "they", AdZz?
I predict he'll answer the question between 11am and 4pm.
If he does sell to us I wonder how this will affect the 10 year plan.
Who is "they", AdZz?
It was one of the newspapers, think it may have been the Guardian and then the Mail picked up on it. I've not made it up but I don't have the link.
In fairness, the Times are reporting virtually the exact same thing today. Nasri is expected to tell Wenger he wants to join OT because other we wouldn't have bid without those reassurances.
Jesus would you lot stop asking relevant questions!
I can never understand arguments like this. Scholes at age 33/34 wasn't the most energetic centre mid, but he slotted in there perfectly. Same with Giggs (a 37 year old Giggs!). Either of those 3 would work in a midfield 2, I don't doubt that. However, it's not like we play 2 in midfield in big games anyway.
I can't believe no-one remembers reading this.
So is the general opinion that he can play in a midfield two, or is he coming to either play wide or as the more advanced of a three? I really like him as a player, but I don't really see it as addressing our main deficiency
I remember reading also that we'd only go for him if we were his preferred choice. I don't believe everything I read however, and now they're reporting that we bid as long as 2 weeks ago. In the world of the newspapers, nothing adds up.
It must be true, it's in L'Equipe.
For all we know, SAF could be reverting back to a 4-3-3.
Internet hardman.
That was it, which means if we've lodged a formal bid (according to the Times) we must have been happy with Nasri coming out with the right noises I.E. "yes I want to join United." I seriously doubt we'd bid knowing Nasri would be open to a move to City or Chelsea because they offer an extra 5 million.
As far as I'm concerned it's Wenger who is the biggest stumbling block here. Will he be humble enough to admit to himself letting Nasri come to us is better than strengthening a side already slightly below/on-par with Arsenal, rather than us who are ahead.
So we didn't play a midfield two against Barca?
Or Chelsea?
Or Schalke?
The reality is Scholes was proven as a midfielder who fitted into a midfield 2.
Giggs has been remarkable to adapt his game and play that position.
But I've never seen any of Nasri, Wes or Modric do it.
Thats all i'm saying. And i'll be interested to see what it means for the way the team is set up if we buy one of these lads. I haven't forgotten Veron you know
I wonder what the Arsenal fans think on that one.
Gooners? If Nasri does leave, where would you rather he went out of United, City or Chelsea?
So we didn't play a midfield two against Barca?
Or Chelsea?
Or Schalke?
The reality is Scholes was proven as a midfielder who fitted into a midfield 2.
Giggs has been remarkable to adapt his game and play that position.
But I've never seen any of Nasri, Wes or Modric do it.
Thats all i'm saying. And i'll be interested to see what it means for the way the team is set up if we buy one of these lads. I haven't forgotten Veron you know
We did play a midfield two against those teams, but I wouldn't classify Shalke as a big team, against barca we made a mistake of going with 2 midfielders but yes against Chelsea it worked well.
I just think players aren't robotic, they can adapt if asked to play a role somewhat similar to their current if they're intelligent enough. I do think these 3 players have good football brains and can adapt to that role just like how Scholes and Giggs have. In fact, if you think about it, these 3 have played in that role at some point in their careers (Nasri at Marseille, Sneijder at Ajax/Madrid, Modric now at Spurs). I don't think it will be a problem.
Also, I don't think Veron's problem was being asked to play in a central midfield positon. I think his problem was firstly he couldn't get used to the pace of the English game, and secondly he loved playing the role of a midfield general which he couldn't then because of Keano. But that's another issue.
This theory is just the latest trend circling RC - every modern creative player seemingly can't play in a midfield two. It's just not accurate.
Nasri plays that role for France, played it for Marseille and only plays wide now for Arsenal because he was re-developed there due to the competition for players in the middle. He may be a slight, skilful player, but he is more than capable of playing the central midfield role alongside someone with a bit more of a defensive mindset.
Same as Modric. He is excellent in the middle of the park, closing down, intercepting, doing his fair share of donkey work. I don't understand why people think he needs two players behind him to mop up - he's hardly work-shy.
So we didn't play a midfield two against Barca?
Or Chelsea?
Or Schalke?
The reality is Scholes was proven as a midfielder who fitted into a midfield 2.
Giggs has been remarkable to adapt his game and play that position.
But I've never seen any of Nasri, Wes or Modric do it.
Thats all i'm saying. And i'll be interested to see what it means for the way the team is set up if we buy one of these lads. I haven't forgotten Veron you know
I always think these points moot anyway. If we bought him, it's because Sir Alex believes he can fit him in. Who cares what we think? I know plenty of people who think tactics 24/7 but why put the effort in when you can just put your faith in the great man?
Yeah but the Schalke game was a big game - a European Cup Semi-Final.
We played our best stuff last year in the old 4-4-2.
And yes it didn't work against Barca - probably because the midfield two weren't mobile enough to cope with Barca - but thats another day's work.
My point is none of the 3 midfielders we are being linked with have played in a system like that in recent years and I don't think their games are suited to it - so if we sign one of them we'll have to change our set-up from last season completely.
That might mean no Rooney/Chica partnership. It might mean dropping Valencia/Nani & Young. Who knows.
I just think it would be very interesting to see what impact a signing like this has on the team. And I think the comparisons with Veron are valid coz if you remember we signed him, pushed Scholes further forward and totally disrupted the entire pattern of our play.
I think a signing like Nasri or Modric could have a similar impact to Veron
and none of us want that...Exactly.
Even if Arsenal demand £25 million, they'll want more if other clubs come in for him.
United will have to convince the player that Old Trafford is the best place for him.
This is a discussion forum no? I'm only trying to stimulate a discussion around the topic. Am interested in other posters views on these lads.
Probably out of the 3 them Modric is the one that is the most 'traditional' CM. And yeah he proabably could fit into a midfield two. But the other two lads I haven't seen do it. And I have to admit I haven't seen Nasri in that position for France....hardly surprising given they didn't bring him to the WC.
I'm sorry but if a player needs convincing of that then we don't need him
The papers have reported so much bollocks in this saga and most of it is contradicting what they reported the day before, so I wouldn't conclude anything based on a couple stories in a pile of crap.
We should just flog him in Europe - £15m if you're outside England, not for sale within.
fair enough but it's like asking crap what caviar tastes like
Personally I would say, why couldn't they play in a 2? Most people would never imagined Giggs in a pairing. However we don't have the benefit of watching the training sessions etc. I think any of those would work with various combinations.fair enough but it's like asking crap what caviar tastes like
Well it will be interesting to see if one of them can do it. I don't want another Veron.
The club are not really holding the cards in this particular scenario though, Al.
I'd absolutely agree that it's entering into the "unknown" a bit.
Not exactly the sternest test in recent years, but Nasri was imperious against England recently in that midfield role, wasn't he?
Didn't see the match. Who isn't imperious in midfield against England i ask you?
Is that not the English national teams problem? Being out-passed by technically better Johnny Foreigners
We do, to a point. The fact is that if he doesn't re-sign, we'll need to sell him, but if we can get Inter/Madrid interested, that'll suit us fine. I doubt Nasri's had a dream of playing for United/City since childhood to be honest.
Veron was used to the pace of Italy. England was too quick for him and in reality we had the same player (only better) it turns out in Scholes though at that time Keane was still a driving force. I think it was a case of too many cooks and it's a pity about Veron. As I say, I think the pace of the league and not being able to dominate as he'd like hindered him. In Europe though he looked a better player
Why not?
He doesn't need to have had a childhood dream, though. If he wants to continue playing in the Premier League, which is entirely feasible and frankly quite likely, and he has his mind made up that he's leaving Arsenal, which is seems he has, then all he has to do is make it clear to Wenger that he will only sign for Club X, Y or Z in England.
Wenger is then faced with the option of sell him now or be stubborn and lose him for free. I'm quite sure he's pragmatic enough to realise that selling him now is the only real option.
There's one person who is in a position of power in this transfer, and that's the player.
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