Their right side was wide open every time....and you can't expect Evra to cover 2 players can you ?
Nani's movement
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Their right side was wide open every time....and you can't expect Evra to cover 2 players can you ?
Ah yeah it's "only" Tony Hibbert, yeah he's only a Premier League footballer at Everton, he can't do feck all that lad.
Stil.... he fecked us with that superb cross at the weekend didn't he.
David Beckham is as good a crosser there has ever been. You are comparing him to Tony Hibbert. Hibbert does not have the ability Beckham has/had. Beckham would get the cross in regardless of what kind of pressure was on him. Hibbert would not.
Anyway, we aren't going to agree on this. I think the cross was preventable, you think it was impossible to prevent. Neither of us will be moved on the point.
Ah the pundit who said "Nani should be sprinting out there".... ha ha!
All that video proved to me was that Nani took up a good position, Hibbert pulled out a sensational cross, and the finish...
Don't you wish to suck on me then
Ah the pundit who said "Nani should be sprinting out there".... ha ha!
All that video proved to me was that Nani took up a good position, Hibbert pulled out a sensational cross and the finish
Yeah, because the pundit obviously knows how to defend. Close the space as quick as possible, which allows you to stop the cross, or shot, or through ball, or whatever the opponent is trying to do. You don't have to stop every cross, shot, etc, but putting enough pressure on a player would usually prevent him from getting as much quality as he would without any pressure.
No I'm not
But Becks would've been proud of that cross.
You did. And of course he would, it was class.
We'll agree to disagree then pal. I thought it was a superb goal, no-one at fault there for me, a cracking cross and an even better finish.
It goes both ways. Evra wasn't doing anything defensively, in my opinion. Nani does have to cover Hibbert though, which in general he did very well. Evra wasn't covering any players, never mind two!
No... I didn't.
I said, there's a reason no-one could stop Beckham in his hay day, some crosses are just too good.
As you agree yourself, Becks would've been proud of that cross.
Fair enough.
Nani was exceptional yesterday for someone who hasn't played in so long. His movement was insane and he seems so hungry. Knew when to cross and when to take the shot. Nani, Rooney, Welbeck and Tony V (what a combo ) were pretty much superb yesterday. Just sad the likes of Rafael, Evra and Rio went to sleep yesterday.
) were pretty much superb yesterday. Just sad the likes of Rafael, Evra and Rio went to sleep yesterday.Nani was exceptional yesterday for someone who hasn't played in so long. His movement was insane and he seems so hungry. Knew when to cross and when to take the shot. Nani, Rooney, Welbeck and Tony V (what a combo
Attacking wise we were brilliant. That is a brilliant combo. The interplay between Welbeck and Nani was particularly great.
His first start in 4 months. 1 goal and 2 assists.
Conclusion - Didn't defend properly.
Conclusion - Didn't defend properly.
Yeah, because that's what I said.
I didn't even know you had posted.
Well then I apologise. I presumed it was aimed at me as I said I thought he could have prevented the cross.
For the record, I said at least ten times that I thought he was brilliant.
No, to that guy from the first page who bemoaned his defending. I agree, he could have done better on the cross.
Of course he could've done better on the cross, but 99 times out of a 100 that cross either ends up with Rafael, or the striker can't convert it, and it's a non-issue.
His contribution in this game more than merited the win, it's not his fault Rafael and Evans in particular had shockers.
His contribution in this game more than merited the win, it's not his fault Rafael and Evans in particular had shockers.
Pretty much, which is why it's very irrelevant, even more so in the context of his overall game.
What bollocks! Nani got back to defend a number for times.
Watch the game again, you blind bastard.
Yes, Evra was badly out of position. Nani was tracking back his own man though, as he is supposed to do. Still, it doesn't excuse Evra's terrible defending.
If lysglimt thought Nani had an awful defensive game yesterday, then I wouldn't be surprised if the defensive Nani of 3-4 years ago left some permanent brain damage on him.
Nani in general did pretty well defensively. He did track back the whole time, which is something that he didn't do as regularly before. Up front, he was amazing.
He just got engaged.
I'm depressed.
I'm depressed.
Yes!
Have to agree with you. Not sure where all the "he didn't track back" nonsense is coming from. He tracked his man for the most part and none of the goals we conceded were as a result of his defending. Realistically, you're not going to go all the way out to the touchline and defend a hibbert/neville cross into the box. That should be dealt with 99 times out of 100 by the centrebacks when the cross is coming in from such a long distance away.
On the contrary, I don't think its coincidence that Welbeck had his best game in half a year. Nani's ability to play the quick one two and his movement without the ball is exactly the kind of football that Welbeck, Rooney and even Cleverley thrive on.
Nani certainly tracked back and performed his duties well in that respect. However, once he had tracked back he didn't defend great!
Attacking though, he was immense. He has so many talents; he's very, very fast, amazing technique, great shot, sublime crosses, quick and effective one two football. As you say, it is no coincidence that Welbeck was brilliant yesterday!
Young is good, but Nani
Bet Fergie had a word with him, and told him to settle down
I thought he was outstanding. Not only for his goal, which was taken in a sublime manner, but his general play. Made a good use of the ball consistently, which has never been his strongest feature.
The only thing I would have against him was him not closing down Hibbert. Obviously it was a big error on Evra's behalf, but it's not like wingers are devoid of defensive responsibilities.
Apart from that, he was very good, even defensively - but for that one 'mistake'.
The only thing I would have against him was him not closing down Hibbert. Obviously it was a big error on Evra's behalf, but it's not like wingers are devoid of defensive responsibilities.
Apart from that, he was very good, even defensively - but for that one 'mistake'.
Nani will have to continue to chase back all the time if he plays on the left. Evra has clearly decided to forget about his defensive responsibilities a long time ago. How good will Nani be when he is as defensively good as Valencia as well as being what he is going forward? He won't be long getting that good if playing with Evra.
Although his season has been interrupted this season, in the time that we have seen him there has definitely been a shift in the type of player he's looking like becoming. He's always had the skill and ability to change games but I've seen a definite improvement in his all round play (when actually fully fit) and given the kind of attacking abilities he anyway has, the combination can be lethal. Now he seems to be becoming an intelligent player who knows when to release the pass and where to move into space in amidst our passing interchanges.
Hopefully he can produce a similar display against City although their defense will require all our main players to be on form, to penetrate.
Hopefully he can produce a similar display against City although their defense will require all our main players to be on form, to penetrate.
I think we should really be looking at Evra being more reserved. The last thing we'd want is to stifle some of Nani's attacking attributes by focusing him more on his defensive responsibilities.
I agree. Is it in Evra's nature though?
Definitely, although we all know how players have to adapt with age, such as Scholes not being as box to box as in his late 20's, Giggs not being a flying winger and Ferdinand having to rely on his positioning, rather than his pace. If Evra can't adapt then I can't really see him being a permanent fixture for 2-3 more years.
I feel that if he doesn't begin to chose his forward runs more wisely he is going to keep costing us. With Rafael on the other wing I am more sympathetic as he is still young and can't be expected to be a polished diamond yet. Plus having Valencia on the wing who is adept both attacking and defensively usually gives us a good interchangeable balance.