Name three current Reds...

Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>who we couldn't do without. In order of precedence...</strong><hr></blockquote>

A more difficult question than it first appears !

1.Roy Keane - irreplaceable

2.Ruud Van Nistelrooy - the best striker in Europe if not the world. Difficult to find someone comparable.

3.David Beckham - Great player and very influential when fully fit. Look what happened last season when he was injured.

Strangely I found all the others, with the exception of Paul Scholes, possibly Nicky Butt and a fully fit and on form Ryan Giggs, quite replaceable.
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Keane: Because hes Keane

Giggs: Because theirs not a left winger near him in the world

all the others are replaceable imo.
 
1. Keane

2. RVN

3. Giggs

However, these are the people in order of importance to the club. But, I think if we were to sell Keane or RVN, I think we'd rather keep RVN purely for the fact that RVN is much younger and can serve the club longer and Keane will be finished in 2-3 years time, so we will have to find a replacement for him, whereas RVN still has 7 years or so. But in order of importance to Utd. performance, Keane is the most important.
 
At this point, everyone bar Beckham and Van Nistelrooy are replacable imo. Butt could do an adequate job of replacing Keane if it ever came down to it. Duff could adequaltely replace Giggs if it ever came down to it. There are few if any players who could replace RVN's goal production and Beckham's crossing, goals, and set piece skills.
 
1 Roy Keane
2 Ruud van Nistelrooy
3 David Beckham
 
Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>1 Roy Keane
2 Ruud van Nistelrooy
3 David Beckham</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with Jens and Julian Denny.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I'd pick Giggs ahead of Beckham every time!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think as a creator of goals and chances, Beckham has the edge over Giggs.
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Originally posted by Dans:
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I think as a creator of goals and chnaces, Beckham has the edge over Giggs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggs adds an extra dimension to our game. We miss him more than we miss Beckham, for whom Scholes and Veron can fill in for (although obviously not as efficient as Beckham himself).
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Keane
Ruud
Becks/Giggs (can't decide between the 2)
 
I think Giggs certainly adds an extra dimension but he does so 1 in 3 or 4 games. Too often he's ineffective. Beckham on the other hand needs just to put in one killer cross and we score. When Giggs is out his absence is felt harder because we have no replacement on the left to provide the balance the midfield needs. If we had an adequate replacement (I don't consider Fortune adequate - too hot and cold) I don't think we'd miss him half as much as we would Beckham.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>At this point, everyone bar Beckham and Van Nistelrooy are replacable imo. Butt could do an adequate job of replacing Keane if it ever came down to it. Duff could adequaltely replace Giggs if it ever came down to it. There are few if any players who could replace RVN's goal production and Beckham's crossing, goals, and set piece skills.</strong><hr></blockquote>

and who would captain this side ? , Keane is definetly irreplacable, many people under estimate his presence on the field, his ruthlessness, his appetite for success at all costs, just his name on the team sheet brings fear into the opposition.

One of the reasons Sir Alex Ferguson has been so successful is because he has had great players with the same passion for success that he has. Roy Keane is what Manchester United is all about.

He is the ultimate leader, whose commitment for us can never be questioned. ROY KEANE is not replacable. Nicky Butt is a very good player and can definetly do a good job , But he is not the leader Keane is, we know how well we do when he is not playing. To me he is the ulimate Leader and Manchester united player.
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I'm with United78 on this:

Keano
Bex
Giggsy

No disrespect to Ruud but we've won tons without him and nowt with him!!! By that I mean, with our midfield, it'd be difficult for a decent striker not to score. I rate him highly and hate to see him go or get injured, but, he'd be easily replaceable in the 'team' concept of things.

Keano's engine/inspiration, Giggsy's mercurialness & Bex's just about unequalled level of passing/crossing/free kick taking accuracy are all more important imo.
 
Interesting Fergie quote on the News page which wasn't highlighted:

"Over the years people have sometimes seemed surprised with certain decisions I've made over players, but I always do what I hope is best for the team."

Reading between the lines: "nobody is irreplaceable so get ready for a suprise"...?
 
Originally posted by nickm:
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"Over the years people have sometimes seemed surprised with certain decisions I've made over players, but I always do what I hope is best for the team."

Reading between the lines: "nobody is irreplaceable so get ready for a suprise"...?</strong><hr></blockquote>

As someone mentioned here, those words were a direct answer to a question regarding Stam's sale. I too wondered at first if Fergie's hinting at something, but it's obviously just a clear answer and not some sort of 'softning up the fans for something".
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Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
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and who would captain this side ? , Keane is definetly irreplacable, many people under estimate his presence on the field, his ruthlessness, his appetite for success at all costs, just his name on the team sheet brings fear into the opposition.

One of the reasons Sir Alex Ferguson has been so successful is because he has had great players with the same passion for success that he has. Roy Keane is what Manchester United is all about.

He is the ultimate leader, whose commitment for us can never be questioned. ROY KEANE is not replacable. Nicky Butt is a very good player and can definetly do a good job , But he is not the leader Keane is, we know how well we do when he is not playing. To me he is the ulimate Leader and Manchester united player.
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Hence we should probably close up shop when Keano retires. :rolleyes:

Fact is, we will have to replace him in the next couple of years.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Hence we should probably close up shop when Keano retires. :rolleyes:

Fact is, we will have to replace him in the next couple of years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i misunderstood the topic , forgive me.
i thought you meant at this very moment which players are irreplacable, not in 3-4 years time.

When Cantona left Keane was there to take over from him, so Right now if we are to replace him, who would you choose as the inspirational leader.

IMO no one can do the job he is doing right now which makes him irreplacable.
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Without Giggsy's mazy runs or Becks great passes or Keanes insatiable appetitie, other teams have played a more cohesive, free-flowing, effective, solid and consistant game than our team has for years. We do not need these elements, other players can do a good job in the same position, but perhaps not in the exact same way. We dont have to replace like for like i.e. Veron-Beckham, Duff - Giggs, Butt - Keane.

However...

Players we can NEVER EVER replace:

Ole
Butt
link up man -- we cant do with out one!! But whoopsie, Fergie must have forgotten his man last Summer. This position is integral to our game, as shown by Cantona, Yorke, Teddy and....no one.

Nowhere else in the world will you find better squad players, who never complain yet do a fantastic job.

The link up position is integral to our success, the other positions are sort of normal though necessary, they dont determine whether we win or not. link up man = extra dimension to our game = key to our success, we're an attacking side after all.
 
Robson
Bruce
& Pallister

Oh Shit! No! Wait..... erm

Hughes
Ince
& Kanchelskis

No

Eric
Jaap
& Yorkie

No

No one is irreplacable and whilst I agree that all those mentioned by others would be hard acts to follow, I am sure if they move on then so will United this team has been ever changing over the last 12 years and has hardly stuttered as players have come and gone although it could be argued that the new arrivals tend to be more disruptive than the departures.

Keane is our driving force and would be hardest to replace but equally difficult would be any of the fledglings Becks, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt in rough order although the sale of any one of them could damage the spirit of the whole team. Giggs has been a marvel ever since he broke through and at full flow there is none to beat him whilst Ruud and Ole finally give us a strike force to match the potential elsewhere on the field.

We can play without Keane though and the growing maturity of those around him indicates that eventual replacement from within is likely. The "kids" may be United but I thought the same of Sharpe, Gillespie, Robbins etc and they all floundered after leaving whilst the team went on, our youth teams have always produced the core of our best squads giving a team which is invariably greater than the sum of it's parts however replacements tend to pop up when needed. Ruud has only been with us for a year and whilst exciting, he can hardly be deemed irreplacable after such a short time whilst Ole's easy going nature would be the hardest thing to replace from his armoury, the times he has sat uncomplaining on the bench when he should have been playing best demonstrate this.

If I had to pick I would choose Beckham, Neville and Scholes as they form an integral part of the present team and feed off one another more than the others who could be seen as interchangeable components, however no one at United is truly irreplaceable. They may dwell in our hearts after they have left the field of dreams but whilst the legends live on the club must move forward, United, founded in the ashes of a Munich runway, know this better than all clubs <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Keane
Beckham
Giggs


We won the treble without RVN. Cole and yorke were the best strikeforce in Europe that year its so sad to see both of them gone :(
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>No one is irreplacable and whilst I agree that all those mentioned by others would be hard acts to follow, I am sure if they move on then so will United this team has been ever changing over the last 12 years and has hardly stuttered as players have come and gone although it could be argued that the new arrivals tend to be more disruptive than the departures.
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I agree 100%.

And IMO I'd think we'd miss Keano (our most important player) more if he'd miss a season (and even more so if it's parts of a season) injured than if he'd be sold. If he's injured the players know that Keano will always come back. If he's sold someone will take over as leader.
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I can only think of two current players who are very hard to replace: Keano and Giggs.

Butt can replace Keano's defensive work but can never replace his offensive work, his leadership and fighting spirit.

There is simply no one who can beat opponents and do fantasy things like Giggs in our squad.

Some other players mentioned earlier in this thread has a similar replacement. E.g.: Ole can Ruud can backup each other, while Beckham and Veron are also very close in their function.
 
  • Keane
  • Beckham
  • van Nistelrooy

Was a tough decision between Ruud and Giggs, but Ruud's goals are priceless.
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>Robson
Bruce
& Pallister

Oh Shit! No! Wait..... erm

Hughes
Ince
& Kanchelskis

No

Eric
Jaap
& Yorkie

No

No one is irreplacable and whilst I agree that all those mentioned by others would be hard acts to follow, I am sure if they move on then so will United this team has been ever changing over the last 12 years and has hardly stuttered as players have come and gone although it could be argued that the new arrivals tend to be more disruptive than the departures.

Keane is our driving force and would be hardest to replace but equally difficult would be any of the fledglings Becks, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt in rough order although the sale of any one of them could damage the spirit of the whole team. Giggs has been a marvel ever since he broke through and at full flow there is none to beat him whilst Ruud and Ole finally give us a strike force to match the potential elsewhere on the field.

We can play without Keane though and the growing maturity of those around him indicates that eventual replacement from within is likely. The "kids" may be United but I thought the same of Sharpe, Gillespie, Robbins etc and they all floundered after leaving whilst the team went on, our youth teams have always produced the core of our best squads giving a team which is invariably greater than the sum of it's parts however replacements tend to pop up when needed. Ruud has only been with us for a year and whilst exciting, he can hardly be deemed irreplacable after such a short time whilst Ole's easy going nature would be the hardest thing to replace from his armoury, the times he has sat uncomplaining on the bench when he should have been playing best demonstrate this.

If I had to pick I would choose Beckham, Neville and Scholes as they form an integral part of the present team and feed off one another more than the others who could be seen as interchangeable components, however no one at United is truly irreplaceable. They may dwell in our hearts after they have left the field of dreams but whilst the legends live on the club must move forward, United, founded in the ashes of a Munich runway, know this better than all clubs <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said.
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