Musk | Fascist

Vivek being sidelined has also not been covered enough in my opinion.

Nope, it hasn't. Yet again Trump clouds the media reporting with his fecking bullshit, much of which is just a spur of the moment thought or some bollocks he's thought sounds good. Meanwhile the truly disgusting and dangerous policies he puts through get lost. Those with serious implications and potentially massively detrimental outcomes for people, the environment, the economy or even world peace all get lost under the mountain of shit or like the reporters who asked him yesterday if the Diet Coke button had been put back in to place in the Oval Office. FFS.

Musk's Nazi salute was also a massive help in burying more important stories. If he actually planned that on purpose to not only enrage people but to steal the headlines for days then he's definitely more dangerous than I already think he is.
 
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Creepy cnut.

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Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.
 
Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.

Not sure it’s much more complicated than right wing parties help him and his companies make more money (and therefore gain more power/influence), and right wing people are more likely to be racist/transphobic/etc., and so are easily influenced by focusing on them. Typical populist nonsense.
 
Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.
Genuinely looks to me like Trump and Musk have a common and determined goal to help further the rise of illiberal democracies, if not downright fascism, in as much of the world as possible during the next four years, and that there is a clear plan on how to go about it. I’m not usually one for fear-mongering but this has me sleepless at night lately.
 
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Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.
Gen X voted the hardest for Trump if I recall correctly.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.

Haven't looked too closely for a while, but my impressions from polling in the US:
Younger Gen Z are split by gender. Younger millennials/older Gen Z are left-wing. Older millennials/Gen X are quite solidly right. Boomers are of course right, and are Trump's base, but actually less now than in 2016.

Some similarities and differences in Europe. The far-right parties (Le Pen, AfD) do best among the young voters... as do the far-left and sometimes the Greens. I would guess, again, gender and race play a role in which young voter goes to which side. Polls show this sharp youth vote polarisation in many European countries - France, the Nordics, sometimes Germany and Italy.

In France, Le Pen is basically being held back by the retirees, who vote for Macron or the traditional right in massive numbers. They give her and the centre-left a few votes, and nothing for Melenchon. She has a comfortable plurality among people under 50. The far-left has limited appeal among people over 30, but there are enough centrists between 30-60 who accept them as a strategic option to keep her out. It seems like the generation that remembers/was directly told about WW2 has a far-right taboo in France.

In UK, when FPTP forced a far-leftist on the ballot (Corbyn), he got a massive age gradient in both his elections. More than any election before or since, he collapsed among retirees, and cleaned up among under-40s. The age group that cost him the 2017 election was the 40-65 group, where he got some votes, but needed more to overcome the (editorialising :) ) zombies crushing all hope for a future.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.

Younger voters, between the ages of 18 and 29 years, moved toward Trump by about 13 percentage points compared to 2020.
He also did better among millennial voters, closing in on Harris, who was ahead by only 1 percentage point.
Among 45- to 64-year-olds, Trump picked up a 10 percentage point lead, compared to the 1- and 8 percentage point lead in 2016 and 2020, respectively.
 
So all that was based on data from 2015-19, when I had hope in politics, and used to follow things. Looking at it now:

In an election that had a collapse for Macron's party (yellow), he still was propped up by retirees. But they do seem *much* more comfortable with the far-right now, as well as the broad-tent left coalition.

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And these two lost chances... won't get a chance again.

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And it's worth noting how much the "left-wing youth" story is gone with Starmer replacing Corbyn. This is an opinion poll from last week, that has LAB+LD+GRN+SNP at 50%, and the Tories+Reform at 31% among under-35s. A comparable number in 2017 would have been about 70-30, with Labour alone almost at 60. Reform has a pretty flat age profile, but Tories and Labour still have the old/young skew. Reform and Labour also have big gender skews.
If I had to guess, their base is young men + disaffected socially-conservative Labour and Tory voters of all ages.
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Not posting US exit polls because they suck. I don't know if Gallup or Pew have released their numbers, which are supposed to be good.
 
I only know the people I know. I'm just shy of 61. My friend group are mostly about the same age with the odd person +/- 10 years. Almost exclusively they hate Trump even if 10% of them might vote right wing.
 
Younger voters, between the ages of 18 and 29 years, moved toward Trump by about 13 percentage points compared to 2020.
He also did better among millennial voters, closing in on Harris, who was ahead by only 1 percentage point.
Among 45- to 64-year-olds, Trump picked up a 10 percentage point lead, compared to the 1- and 8 percentage point lead in 2016 and 2020, respectively.
Basically those that are terminally online are more likely to vote him.
 
I only know the people I know. I'm just shy of 61. My friend group are mostly about the same age with the odd person +/- 10 years. Almost exclusively they hate Trump even if 10% of them might vote right wing.
2 party system, some can learn to live with not liking a leader and still vote for the party.
I care not for either of my major political party leaders and the alternative minors are just off the scale lunatics. But I have to vote for one of them.
Let's face it politics is a tad fecked, it's been long time since there's been an honorable person running the show a heck of a lot of Western countries.
 
Isn't that the opposite of what he just said? Younger people were more likely to vote Harris than older people. They moved towards Trump, but so did everyone else.
Bolded the wrong part. Meant to emphasise the 18-29 year olds, were Trump had huge gains.
 
I’m nearly 26 and an anarchist. I’m actually far-left. But unfortunately as a young (ish) man, I’m an anomaly.
What's the point of being an anarchist? We need authority in the form of a government who creates and maintains public services & institutions and provides safety for its citizens and so forth.
 
Genuinely looks to me like Trump and Musk have a common and determined goal to help further the rise of illiberal democracies, if not downright fascism, in as much of the world as possible during the next four years, and that there is a clear plan on how to go about it. I’m not usually one for fear-mongering but this has me sleepless at night lately.

Is exactly that. In Trump's inagurtion, he didn't invite the Spanish PM (socialist in name center at best), nor the right wing opposition (heirs of Franco) but the 4th more voted party in Spain, the fascistic ideologic party.

And they will do that in any single country. The West will be tested and in 4 years the political spectrum might be apocalyptic
 
Nope, it hasn't. Yet again Trump clouds the media reporting with his fecking bullshit, much of which is just a spur of the moment thought or some bollocks he's thought sounds good. Meanwhile the truly disgusting and dangerous policies he puts through get lost. Those with serious implications and potentially massively detrimental outcomes for people, the environment, the economy or even world peace all get lost under the mountain of shit or like the reporters who asked him yesterday if the Diet Coke button had been put back in to place in the Oval Office. FFS.

Musk's Nazi salute was also a massive help in burying more important stories. If he actually planned that on purpose to not only enrage people but to steal the headlines for days then he's definitely more dangerous than I already think he is.
It's ever thus with Trump. The media are complicit in treating their viewers/readers as stupid by doing that.
 
Feel the burn Elon?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18A4X8iV6L/

Elon is not a Nazi, per se.
He is something much better, or much worse, depending on how you look at it.
Nazis believed that an entire race was above everyone else.
Elon believes he is above everyone else.

Elon knowingly feeds people to manipulate them. Everything Elon does is about acquiring and consolidating power. That is why he likes far right parties, because they are easier to control.

Elon did two Nazi salutes.
He did them for five main reasons:
1. He was concerned that the “Nazi wing” of the MAGA movement, under the influence of Steve Bannon, would drive him away from Trump, somewhere in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, rather than in the West Wing which is where he wants to be. He was already feeling raw over the fact that Trump did not follow his recommendation for Treasury Secretary and that the Senate also did not pick his first choice;
2. He was upset that he had had to go to Israel and Auschwitz to make up for agreeing with a Nazi sympathizer online and wanted to reclaim his “power” just like when he told advertisers to “go feck yourself”. This has nothing to do with Asperger’s;
3. There are some Jews he actually hates: Sam Altman is amongst them;
4. He enjoys a good thrill and knew exactly what he was doing;
5. His narcissistic self was hoping the audience would reflect his abject gesture back to him, thereby showing complete control and dominion over it, and increasing his leverage over Trump. That did not happen.
Bottom line: Elon is not a Nazi but he did give two Nazi Salutes, which is completely unacceptable.

At some point, it matters to few people if one is a Nazi or if one acts like one.

Well worth reading the whole thing as he nails Musk again and again.
 
Elon is not a Nazi but he did give two Nazi Salutes, which is completely unacceptable

A person that speaks like a nazi or facist, that mingles with nazis or fascist and works with nazis or fascists furthering their cause is a nazi or a fascist. Being for ideology or for profiteering he still a nazi or a facist because is ingrained in it
 
A person that speaks like a nazi or facist, that mingles with nazis or fascist and works with nazis or fascists furthering their cause is a nazi or a fascist. Being for ideology or for profiteering he still a nazi or a facist because is ingrained in it
I agree. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc.

I'm more interested in the multiple ways he can be a waste of DNA.
 
who would have thought children of a literally brain damaged generation would turn out to be assholes as well?

what is tragic though, is that the internet meme culture that Elmo doesn't get but tries so hard to play up has been entirely coopted by the right on the major platforms. The 18-25 group wouldve grown up when livestreaming started to explode and conservatives were the out of power anti establishment cool guys while liberals were institutional boring scolds.
 
Feel the burn Elon?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18A4X8iV6L/









Well worth reading the whole thing as he nails Musk again and again.
Isn't this all semantics? If he is a Nazi or just a Nazi-lite when it helps his agenda. Either ways, he comes across as vile and him being in a position of power in the government is a problem. Him triggering the population by fake news, absolute lies, suppressing voices of truth, all of that is a problem.

It doesn't matter if he fits the textbook definition of fascist, if his actions have real world consequences, now or in future.
 
Isn't this all semantics? If he is a Nazi or just a Nazi-lite when it helps his agenda. Either ways, he comes across as vile and him being in a position of power in the government is a problem. Him triggering the population by fake news, absolute lies, suppressing voices of truth, all of that is a problem.

It doesn't matter if he fits the textbook definition of fascist, if his actions have real world consequences, now or in future.
Nazi? Fascist? Acting like either or both for the lols and/or personal benefit? I agree that functionally it probably doesn't matter that much after a while.

Still a very interesting insight imo.
 
a musky generation?



This really captures how the online right have completely and utterly outflanked the left among Gen Z and younger, chronically online millennials. It really is very different than 2016. Because its behind a paywall, I'll quote some of the relevant parts here:

"They are not disenfranchised or working class or anti-elite or many of the other adjectives used to describe Trump supporters since 2016. Rather, they are young, imposingly well connected, urban, and very online. They are rebels once again storming Capitol Hill, though without the pathetic scariness of the January 6 rioters.
They are crypto nerds and influencer girlies and recent MAHA converts and gays of all stripes, plus your standard-fare Rogan-listening bros...

"This set’s most visible political stance is a reaction to what it sees as the left’s puritanical obsessions with policing language and talking about identity. A joke about Puerto Ricans or eugenics or sleeping with Nick Fuentes could throw a pack of smokers outside Butterworth’s into a gigglefest. Recounting her time at one of the balls, a woman tells me she jumped the velvet rope into a VIP section “like a little Mexican.” Then she lets out a cackle. This is the posture that has attracted newcomers to the cause...

"At least one TikTok employee who works in the “policy” department was there; asked about changes to the app’s guidelines in recent months, he told me cheerfully, “We’re letting a lot more stuff through. A lot.”

This was the media ecosystem that flourished under the noses of the Democrats while they busied themselves trying to court Taylor Swift and Beyoncé. “MAGA is MTV for Gen Z. This isn’t the fringe. This is youth pop culture. I’ve been saying this for years,” said Mitchell Jackson, a publicist and crisis consultant who works with conservative podcasters. “Meanwhile, Democrats sound like ’80s Republicans protesting rap songs.”
"All weekend, everyone in this set kept referring to themselves as “normal.” In their eyes, they are representative of the rest of the country — if not how they look, exactly, then how they talk. After all, the mainstream media had nearly declared a Harris victory after a comedian at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally made racist jokes about Puerto Ricans, only for Trump to set a GOP record with Latino voters. Raquel Debono, when trying to explain why she likes to tell fat jokes, told me, “I’m normal, okay? Probably the most fecking normal person here.” Even her “lib” friends, she says, enjoy a not-so-PC joke every now and then, but only behind closed doors...

"Still, it was disconcerting how often a normal conversation with one of these so-called normal people could cannonball from politics and policy into, at the very least, a not-so-PC joke and, at worst, something hateful.

When I first reached out to Wexler, for example, asking to talk about her weekend plans for the inauguration, she wrote back, “Let’s do it. Full transparency, I think ‘pronouns’ are ‘retarded.’” She asked me to tell my readers that. “Tomorrow, we’re going to have images of them rounding up illegals and deporting them. That’s exciting,” she said another time, cackling."
 
This really captures how the online right have completely and utterly outflanked the left among Gen Z and younger, chronically online millennials. It really is very different than 2016. Because its behind a paywall, I'll quote some of the relevant parts here:

"They are not disenfranchised or working class or anti-elite or many of the other adjectives used to describe Trump supporters since 2016. Rather, they are young, imposingly well connected, urban, and very online. They are rebels once again storming Capitol Hill, though without the pathetic scariness of the January 6 rioters.
They are crypto nerds and influencer girlies and recent MAHA converts and gays of all stripes, plus your standard-fare Rogan-listening bros...

"This set’s most visible political stance is a reaction to what it sees as the left’s puritanical obsessions with policing language and talking about identity. A joke about Puerto Ricans or eugenics or sleeping with Nick Fuentes could throw a pack of smokers outside Butterworth’s into a gigglefest. Recounting her time at one of the balls, a woman tells me she jumped the velvet rope into a VIP section “like a little Mexican.” Then she lets out a cackle. This is the posture that has attracted newcomers to the cause...

"At least one TikTok employee who works in the “policy” department was there; asked about changes to the app’s guidelines in recent months, he told me cheerfully, “We’re letting a lot more stuff through. A lot.”

This was the media ecosystem that flourished under the noses of the Democrats while they busied themselves trying to court Taylor Swift and Beyoncé. “MAGA is MTV for Gen Z. This isn’t the fringe. This is youth pop culture. I’ve been saying this for years,” said Mitchell Jackson, a publicist and crisis consultant who works with conservative podcasters. “Meanwhile, Democrats sound like ’80s Republicans protesting rap songs.”
"All weekend, everyone in this set kept referring to themselves as “normal.” In their eyes, they are representative of the rest of the country — if not how they look, exactly, then how they talk. After all, the mainstream media had nearly declared a Harris victory after a comedian at Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally made racist jokes about Puerto Ricans, only for Trump to set a GOP record with Latino voters. Raquel Debono, when trying to explain why she likes to tell fat jokes, told me, “I’m normal, okay? Probably the most fecking normal person here.” Even her “lib” friends, she says, enjoy a not-so-PC joke every now and then, but only behind closed doors...

"Still, it was disconcerting how often a normal conversation with one of these so-called normal people could cannonball from politics and policy into, at the very least, a not-so-PC joke and, at worst, something hateful.

When I first reached out to Wexler, for example, asking to talk about her weekend plans for the inauguration, she wrote back, “Let’s do it. Full transparency, I think ‘pronouns’ are ‘retarded.’” She asked me to tell my readers that. “Tomorrow, we’re going to have images of them rounding up illegals and deporting them. That’s exciting,” she said another time, cackling."
These people aren’t fecking normal. They’re ghouls. It’s actually scary how far right the Overton window has shifted.