Don't do it to yourself. I tried it with some conservative (UK) family over christmas and it will just leave you wanting to pull your hair out. The cognitive dissonance, the double standards, the things that just seem like thinly veiled outright dislike of others, it's just not something you can wrap your mind around if you aren't part of that sphere.
Musk | Fascist
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Don't do it to yourself. I tried it with some conservative (UK) family over christmas and it will just leave you wanting to pull your hair out. The cognitive dissonance, the double standards, the things that just seem like thinly veiled outright dislike of others, it's just not something you can wrap your mind around if you aren't part of that sphere.
Have you read his public support of the AFD in Germany, who have been convicted of using nazi slogans in speeches?
His call for support of the convicted far right thug Tommy Robinson In the UK?
If it quacks like a duck...
i take it no one has bothered to watch some of musk’s long form interviews on things like nose measurements and ethnic cleansing?
If you feel like that when the richest man in the world does a Nazi salute, twice, at the presidents inauguration, it might be you who’s not reacting properly.
What you’re writing is a gross misunderstanding of the modern far right, their enemies and who they aim their racism at. The way your post reads, basically only members of the NSDAP could be actual Nazis.
The Israel stuff is absolutely no reason to cast doubt over Musk‘s deeply racist convictions, that align perfectly well with his biography, his upbringing and his statements and actions. He is, beyond any reasonable doubt, obviously deeply racist, sympathises with actual modern Nazis, gives them a platform and actively endorses their content.
The difference nowadays is that the target of nazism has changed and Muslims are the new Jews. Because they are the easier target, enjoy far less public support and are put under much more scrutiny than other ethic or religious groups.
But the mere fact that the scapegoat has changed, doesn’t render him somehow any less of a Nazi. He’s just a modern one, not one from the thirties. Movements change and adapt. As did nazism. And he aligns perfectly well with this modern version.
To absolve him from his nazism because the movement has changed, doesn’t do justice to reality and is a bit lazy.
Also the 4chan stuff is a really weird excuse. The reasons for his Nazism don’t matter. It doesn’t matter if he does it to impress weird internet dudes, a woman, SpongeBob or his almighty god. It’s like saying people in the thirties weren’t Nazis, as long as they had other reasons for joining than antisemitism, like economic issues. Or put differently: if I were to become a Jehovah’s Witness because I like the coffee at their meetings, I’d still be a Jehovah’s Witness.
So even if Musk is only doing all this because he’s a sad little dweeb without friends, he’d still be a Nazi.
Stop finding excuses for the man, stop trivialising his actions and believe him when he reveals himself to the public.
Nobody is overreacting. In an ideal world, Murica would react far more to this racist sexist scumbag. That you lot make excuses for him based in being an edge lord, nerd, autistic etc says it all about how acceptable these deplorable values have become in today’s society.
I don’t think anyone is claiming he’s a clone of Hitler. Thankfully, he has nowhere near that power and influence over people. It’s more about harbouring and spreading similar values - and all these extreme RW turd balls like him, Trump etc absolutely do that.
Great post
This would be an above average Trump era congressman.
Superb post
This is a fantastic post
Their gonna copy space x now: Space Xi
what a joke of a post. records show he didn’t even vote for hitler in the 30s, so how can he be a nazi?
The people giving this Cnut the benefit of the doubt are irritating me.
You’re a fecking idiot
It’s ok for me to say that btw because I’m in a position of power with a neurodivergence so you have to find an excuse for me
Yeah. I don't want them anywhere I can't escape. But just have a conversation with with a "level-headed" Trumper/Musker and learn their motivation (the only one I've ever met was a full blown QAnon desciple)
It's impossible. They'll just hit you with a load of facts and figures they've read on X or Facebook that you won't have the energy or time to check. Stuff about how the US economy was so much better under Trump than Biden, about the exploding immigrant population, the way immigrants disproportionately cause crime, how pandering to the LGBTQ and DEI agenda is making finding a good career impossibly hard for young, straight white boys blah blah bah
So we all have to put up with thousands of words from you, minimising, defending, equivocating over a nazi salute, performed by the richest and most powerful person in the world, on the most public stage.
Nobody should give a feck about your shitty beliefs, goals, dreams, life, when you use them to form a protective barrier around a person who is commiting violence against marginalised people and poisoning everthing else. Because you quite clearly don't give a feck about anybody else.
This is a huge problem. The never ending and extremely vicious attacks on every level our democracies and societies are facing nowadays are utterly exhausting. So downplaying / excusing anything Trump/Musk do because it's "too clownish to be taken serious" is a big part of the problem.
Wait, hardcore English nationalist Tommy Robinson is an Irish immigrant??
That would be almost as weird as if Hitler weren't German. Or blonde.
That would be almost as weird as if Hitler weren't German. Or blonde.
Yup. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.
You ain't going to find someone who's politically engaged and supports Trump that is also level headed. I know people who don't really care about politics who've come out with "he has some good ideas" or the like but when you try to dig deeper, they admit they don't know what they're talking about and quickly change the subject.
Both POTUS and VPOTUS have immigrant wives, the Nazi in chief is a South African immigrant who stayed in the US illegally using a loophole, the chairman of Reform UK is a Muslim.
I'm beginning to think we definitely live in a simulation.
Not exactly no. Irish mother, English father and born in Luton. You can't palm him off on us.
Using a loophole would have made it legal? As far as I know he just overstayed his visa flat out?
Which is illegal.
Yes.
Poor wording on my part, yes it would be illegal. Was more pointing out the irony of it all.
Concerning.
No, can't agree with this. Apart from the white supremacists you're off the mark..
I'll never understand how giant throbbing losers like this guy even get famous. The fecking state of the United States.
Unfortunately probably even more common here in rural Ireland. Those who don't agree just think he's a fool.I saw this cockwomble in Dublin a couple of years ago:
He's white so it doesn't matter to them.
But small government libertarianism is 100% the politics of Trump. It's a fairly central part of everything he believes in, politically. So if we're calling him a fascist then that is now the association we've created. Which I'm fine with, to be honest, because the alternative is arguing that he isn't actually a fascist after all.
Looking into it.
Sometimes, the small government rhetoric is is just manipulative language to oppose certain institutions (welfare programs) and taxation of certain sections of society favoured by the government, while supporting an expansion of state power in law enforcement or national security, which can align with authoritarian tendencies. It's also just code for deregulated markets favouring the powerful. The nature of the state on the landscape of power has changed too. The optics of the flag and Ultra nationalism also expose this version of small government rhetoric. All of this is fascistic by definition.
Edit - this is worth a few minutes. The US as a structurally fascistic country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism#:~:text=Writing on inverted totalitarianism from,after the September 11 attacks.
"Inverted totalitarianism is a system where economic powers like corporations exert subtle but substantial power over a system that superficially seems democratic. Over time, this theory predicts a sense of powerlessness and political apathy, continuing a slide away from political egalitarianism."
Very early signs are that the opposite to this is happening. As per the link I shared above re Trump pardoning yer man who ran the Silk Road website.
I do think/hope this might cause some tension between him and Musk. Because Trump is probably inherently more of an old fashioned conservative. So I think he will be inclined to be the small government/large law enforcement sort of fascism you describe. Musk and his buddies are much more classic libertarians though. They just want to delete as many regulations as possible and they're using Trump as a useful idiot to achieve this. We're already seeing a possible bun fight between them over the tech companies insistence they have to hire expert immigrants from the sub-continent to run their businesses. Which is boiling the piss of old school, tea party Republicans. So hopefully we'll see more and more conflicts like this over the next few years and they'll all end up hating each other.
That's completely not the point I was making. Increasing police budgets and favouring your henchmen with pardons is more on the money.
Ok so you you have a motive to mitigate what's going on. A selfish one, but a motive nonetheless.
All genuine "Fascists", is an interesting phrase. What if is was 75% quasi fascists, would that be ok?
I would think tougher sentencing for convicted criminals is fairly closely aligned with increased police budgets but ok. Far too early to tell anyway. We'll know more about his approach to law and order over the months/years ahead.