Musk | Fascist | Leader of the Free World

Lemoor said:
He's doing a much more shameless version on a bigger scale than Soros in those conspiracy theories.
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That's actually one of the main pillars of Trumpism: baselessly accusing your adversary of what you are most blatantly guilty of.
 
cafecillos said:
That's actually one of the main pillars of Trumpism: baselessly accusing your adversary of what you are most blatantly guilty of.
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It's a very common theme in propaganda of any kind. You either deny making any shitty thing or claim that it was done in self-defense and the other side deserved it once you can't deny it anymore.
 
cafecillos said:
That's actually one of the main pillars of Trumpism: baselessly accusing your adversary of what you are most blatantly guilty of.
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And we all know which historical playbook is that from
 
nimic said:
Yeah, stupid sexy Napoleon III
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I just checked his quotes in google to see if I missed something like the typical that someone said something before the guy you thought he said it.

Couldn't find it but he said:

  • "In politics, stupidity is not a handicap."
And he couldn't be so right in these times. Very sexy indeed
 
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And for what? For a little bit of money? There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it.
 
dumbo said:
GoDe3vrboAA0WnN


And for what? For a little bit of money? There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well. I just don't understand it.
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I love that quote so much.
 
Lemoor said:
He's doing a much more shameless version on a bigger scale than Soros in those conspiracy theories.
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And if you look at r/conspiracy unsurprisingly loads of them are bending over backwards to defend Musk and Trump and act like there’s no Russian links, despite it being a blatantly obvious conspiracy ‘theory’.

It’s also funny how right wingers are passionately defending Musk’s speech whenever anyone takes the mick out of it. Suddenly (self diagnosed) neurodivergence is a hot topic for them.
 
@ROFLUTION what do you make of this article on the “best selling truck in the US”?

Elon Musk’s polygonal pickup is a polarizing sales flop that's missed the billionaire’s volume goal by a staggering 84%. And there’s no sign that things are improving.​

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The quarterly slowdown underscores the fact that when it comes to the Cybertruck, results are nowhere near the billionaire entrepreneur’s carnival barker claims.

“Demand is off the charts,” he crowed during a results call in November 2023, just before the first units started shipping to customers. “We have over 1 million people who have reserved the car.”

In anticipation of high sales, Tesla even modified its Austin Gigafactory so it could produce up to 250,000 Cybertrucks a year, capacity investments that aren’t likely to be recouped.

“They didn't just say they wanted to sell a lot. They capacitized to sell a lot,” said industry researcher Glenn Mercer, who leads Cleveland-based advisory firm GM Automotive. But the assumption of massive demand has proven foolhardy. And it failed to account for self-inflicted wounds that further stymied sales. Turns out the elephantine Cybertruck is either too large or non-compliant with some countries’ pedestrian safety rules, so there’s little opportunity to boost sales with exports.
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That would be an apt tagline for Musk’s preposterous pickup. “The spectacular failure of Cybertruck was a failure of empathy,” said CARLAB’s Noble, whose company helps carmakers develop products based on consumer research. “Everything from the bed configuration to the cab configuration to its performance and all sorts of pickup truck duty-cycle issues, it’s just not empathetic to a pickup truck buyer.”

Cybertruck’s distinctive look resulted from two key forces, said a person familiar with the development process, who asked not to be identified because the information isn’t public. One was Musk’s passion for sci-fi designs. The other was an early decision to create a vehicle that didn’t need to be painted.

If Tesla opted not to paint the trucks, it wouldn’t need to install a new $200 million paintshop, a big potential cost savings. And it wouldn’t have to worry about EPA scrutiny from the harmful emissions and runoff those facilities often produce.

Ultimately, Musk opted for a stainless steel exterior, the same choice Delorean made for his ill-fated sports car four decades earlier. But because Musk isn’t a production engineer, he may not have fully appreciated the challenges it presents versus aluminum or composite materials, the person said. Aside from the fact that stainless steel shows handprints–a common gripe about kitchen appliances–it’s hard to bend and likes to snap back to its original shape, one of the reasons there have been problems with Cybertruck body panels.

“This is where I think they misconstrued the tradeoff,” Mercer said. “They drooled over not spending $200 million on a paint shop, but probably spent that much trying to get the stainless steel to work.”
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Brwned said:
@ROFLUTION what do you make of this article on the “best selling truck in the US”?
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Do you mean the best selling EV truck?

I make of it, that it has low demand now due to Elon’s political marriage to Trump. It’s costful to stick your fingers into the beesnest and be the face of cutting costs. That has turned the Cybertruck into a symbol of what people protest against, also if it’s “just a car”.

By the way, I assume you’re tagging me because you want me to explain it straight as I’m just calling a spade a spade. If I see brand damage, I’ll call it brand damage. If you’re just tagging me to not listen to my opinion, I don’t see any point in it.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Do you mean the best selling EV truck?

I make of it, that it has low demand now due to Elon’s political marriage to Trump. It’s costful to stick your fingers into the beesnest and be the face of cutting costs. That has turned the Cybertruck into a symbol of what people protest against, also if it’s “just a car”.

By the way, I assume you’re tagging me because you want me to explain it straight as I’m just calling a spade a spade. If I see brand damage, I’ll call it brand damage. If you’re just tagging me to not listen to my opinion, I don’t see any point in it.
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No doubt that hasn’t helped, but that can only cover 1 of the 5 quarters it has been on sale for. If it’s fallen short of its targets by 80%, don’t you think there are other factors that reflect on Tesla the company and its production of this specific car?

When you were talking about it as the best selling truck, it managed to sell 17k units, before he had anything to do with DOGE. By that point it was aiming for produce 250k cars a year, nowhere near the goal. Don’t you think that has anything to do with the quality issues and product recalls, the choice of materials, and a lot of the foundational ideas of the car itself mentioned in that article?
 
Brwned said:
No doubt that hasn’t helped, but that can only cover 1 of the 5 quarters it has been on sale for. If it’s fallen short of its targets by 80%, don’t you think there are other factors that reflect on Tesla the company and its production of this specific car?

When you were talking about it as the best selling truck, it managed to sell 17k units, before he had anything to do with DOGE. By that point it was aiming for produce 250k cars a year, nowhere near the goal. Don’t you think that has anything to do with the quality issues and product recalls, the choice of materials, and a lot of the foundational ideas of the car itself mentioned in that article?
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I think the original statement was just really really (and way too) optimistic and probably in the hope that the overall World economic would be better, but it seems clear now that demand is just not that big. I think he also just said it in the belief that Tesla’s popularity would still be how it was at the time when announcing it.

While the two main-issues with the pedal needing a screw (a 10 second fix) and the trim structure needing replacement, I don’t think that has really been a big factor of why people not buying it - recalls happen with all cars, and in Teslas most recalls require simply an over the air update, making a “recall” on paper just a softwarebug that needs fixing.

Recalls for a new car with such a radical new structure and mixed with Tesla sticking to their way of cutting as much as possible first and then going backwards fixing was always gonna require a recall or two. But all the fears of the cybertruck being a dangerous car have mostly been debunked and it scored a 5/5 star safety rating from NHTSA for trucks.

I’d more say it’s the production ramp that took too long mixed with low demand, and when it had finally ramped to a decent level, Elon went into politics. No doubt that has hurt future sales and killed any upward trend in sales. When analyzing sales numbers, I think you could argue that Elon’s dive into politics and x posts started damaging sales maybe already in Q3 and Q4 last year (in general). It’s Definitely to be seen in numbers in Europe.
 
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