Muralitharan vs Tendulkar

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Muralitharan:

Leading international wicket taker in cricket history with 800 wickets (95 more than no 2 Warne).
19-year international career,
492 international appearances
1343 international wickets
1935 international runs


Tendulkar:

Leading international runs scorer in cricket history with 14692 runs (1700 more than no 2 Ponting).
22-year international career
628 international appearances
32,700 runs international runs
199 international wickets


So, who was the greater international cricketer and why? No fence sitting.
 
Sachin's the greatest batsman I've seen, Murali's a great player but I think Warne's better than him, so to answer your question - Tendulkar.
 
zain said:
Warne was a better bowler than Murali imo....
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I used to think so but Im not so sure any more. Warne had McGrath softening up his victims the previous over for most of his career whereas Murali has been a one man bowling attack for much of his career.
 
Tendulkar by a margin

- Batting is just more, lets say, memorable than bowling. You'd struggle chose a defender for the greatest footballer of all time. There's just more magic to batting
- Brad Cantona's made the point that there's the lingering controversy over Murali's action
- Team performance. There's luck here. Tendulkar's team, especially in the later part of his career, has supported him more than Murali's. Its Best Vs. Maradona...Maradona's Argentina wasn't Pele's Brazil but it was better than Best had for a supporting cast in Wales

I'm struggling for more reasons against the weight of Murali's statistics but in the end its about the aura and the image and Tendulkar had 'it'
 
zain said:
Warne was a better bowler than Murali imo....
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He was. Put Warne on the same grounds Murali has mostly played his games and he'd be at 800 too. Plus Warne clearly held back at times because he knew Mcgrath/Lee could just clean it up for him.
 
Warne >> Murali?

Why did Oz want Murali to be their spin coach? They could have opted for Warne. The very bowler whom they accused as a cheat was wanted by them as coach. And to cap it all, Murali refused the offer.

As a batter, Sachin has no parallel. He is the best.

As a bowler, Murali takes the spot. His figures prove it.
 
anver said:
Warne >> Murali?

Why did Oz want Murali to be their spin coach? They could have opted for Warne. The very bowler whom they accused as a cheat was wanted by them as coach. And to cap it all, Murali refused the offer.

As a batter, Sachin has no parallel. He is the best.

As a bowler, Murali takes the spot. His figures prove it.
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All that proves is Murali might be a better COACH than Warne...
 
anver said:
Oh. Yes. I overlooked that.

You have hit the nail right on the head. What ingenuity. :drool:
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Well, yours wasn't a particularly brilliant point. Maybe Warne had other shit to do. Maybe Warne looked at the spinners in Australia and figured there was nothing to teach them as they were all shit. As I remember, it was a 7 day coaching camp stint or something very short. It's impossible to draw any conclusion from that. Silly to use it in an argument between Warne and Murali.
 
zing said:
Well, yours wasn't a particularly brilliant point. Maybe Warne had other shit to do. Maybe Warne looked at the spinners in Australia and figured there was nothing to teach them as they were all shit. As I remember, it was a 7 day coaching camp stint or something very short. It's impossible to draw any conclusion from that. Silly to use it in an argument between Warne and Murali.
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The all knowing Zing has spoken.

Maybe Warne had other things....... Maybe Warne figured the spinners in Oz were shit......... Hypothetical crap from an expert cricket analyst.

And a 7 day coaching camp? Such a short stint, that it clashed with his IPL commitments? Another bit of crap.

Muralitharan turns his back on Cricket Australia’s coaching role
Submitted by Rajiv Dhoot on Tue, 03/01/2011 - 05:44.



Mar 1: Cricket Australia's blueprint for spin reform suffered a heavy blow when Test cricket's greatest wicket-taker Muttiah Muralitharan cancelled his contract to mentor Australia's next generation of spinners at the Brisbane-based Centre of Excellence.

The spin legend had earlier intimated a desire to tutor Australia's next generation of emerging spinners in June, but has now opted to play Twenty20 cricket instead in India and England.

Muralitharan's snub comes at the worst possible time for Australian cricket, which is conducting a sweeping performance review, including addressing the nation's depleted slow-bowling stocks that have seen Test selectors deploy 10 spinners since Shane Warne retired in 2007.

The Daily Telegraph quoted Muralitharan's manager as saying that the spin legend would not visit Australia due to his commitments with IPL side Kochi and county side Gloucestershire.

"Unfortunately, Murali will not be able to make it. Cricket Australia wanted him to come down for a particular period of time, but it doesn''t go down well with the IPL and his Gloucestershire assignments," said his agent Kashil Gunasekera.

"They (CA) wanted him to come at the end of May but then everything changed with prior commitments he had undertaken. They were trying to figure out another time, but it just couldn't be finalized," he added.

The Sri Lankan legend was also expected to record a spin-coaching tutorial during his visit so his remarkable knowledge would never be lost to the Australian system. (ANI)
 
sammsky1 said:
I used to think so but Im not so sure any more. Warne had McGrath softening up his victims the previous over for most of his career whereas Murali has been a one man bowling attack for much of his career.
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That is not a good way to look at it. Warne is better and Murali has Vaas if Warne had McGrath.
 
anver said:
The all knowing Zing has spoken.

Maybe Warne had other things....... Maybe Warne figured the spinners in Oz were shit......... Hypothetical crap from an expert cricket analyst.

And a 7 day coaching camp? Such a short stint, that it clashed with his IPL commitments? Another bit of crap.

Muralitharan turns his back on Cricket Australia’s coaching role
Submitted by Rajiv Dhoot on Tue, 03/01/2011 - 05:44.



Mar 1: Cricket Australia's blueprint for spin reform suffered a heavy blow when Test cricket's greatest wicket-taker Muttiah Muralitharan cancelled his contract to mentor Australia's next generation of spinners at the Brisbane-based Centre of Excellence.

The spin legend had earlier intimated a desire to tutor Australia's next generation of emerging spinners in June, but has now opted to play Twenty20 cricket instead in India and England.

Muralitharan's snub comes at the worst possible time for Australian cricket, which is conducting a sweeping performance review, including addressing the nation's depleted slow-bowling stocks that have seen Test selectors deploy 10 spinners since Shane Warne retired in 2007.

The Daily Telegraph quoted Muralitharan's manager as saying that the spin legend would not visit Australia due to his commitments with IPL side Kochi and county side Gloucestershire.

"Unfortunately, Murali will not be able to make it. Cricket Australia wanted him to come down for a particular period of time, but it doesn''t go down well with the IPL and his Gloucestershire assignments," said his agent Kashil Gunasekera.

"They (CA) wanted him to come at the end of May but then everything changed with prior commitments he had undertaken. They were trying to figure out another time, but it just couldn't be finalized," he added.

The Sri Lankan legend was also expected to record a spin-coaching tutorial during his visit so his remarkable knowledge would never be lost to the Australian system. (ANI)
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There is nothing to say they may not have contacted Warne.

Also,

Sri Lanka news: Muralitharan in talks to be spin coach in Australia | Sri Lanka Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

Muralitharan confirmed that he had been approached for the job and that negotiations were going on at present. "They want me to come for two weeks in a year and help them with the Academy," Muralitharan told ESPNcricinfo. "They want me to come in May but there is the IPL so we have to finalise the dates. We are still in the process of talks."

Now piss off.
 
RDCR07 said:
That is not a good way to look at it. Warne is better and Murali has Vaas if Warne had McGrath.
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This is true. People tend to forget Chaminda Vaas was a very good cricketer. Obviously McGrath was a different class, but Vaas did manage to get 355 test wickets on pitches that were very rarely helpful.

I do think some people downgrade Murali a bit too easily though...the sheer amount of work he had to go through every innings was beyond belief. Australia and Warne obviously had other very good bowlers backing them up(Gillespie, Kasper, Lee), but Murali and Vaas for most of their careers had nothing.

Think of it this way, Murali has played 12 tests less than Warne, but bowled around 3000 more deliveries.

As for the original question, I don't know :D
 
zing said:
Nothing you say refuted my point that they may not have contacted Warne.

Sri Lanka news: Muralitharan in talks to be spin coach in Australia | Sri Lanka Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

Muralitharan confirmed that he had been approached for the job and that negotiations were going on at present. "They want me to come for two weeks in a year and help them with the Academy," Muralitharan told ESPNcricinfo. "They want me to come in May but there is the IPL so we have to finalise the dates. We are still in the process of talks."

Now piss off.
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Just came to my desk after a piss, and saw your post. So, sorry, mate my next piss will be after, maybe a couple of hours, or more.

Whether it is a seven day stint, as spun by you earlier ( no pun intended ), or a two week stint per year, the fact remains that he was offered the job. And he was offered the job, because of his credentials, and ability. To claim that Warne could have been offered the job, and maybe refused, is again hypothetical. We dont know about it.
 
I've to say Shane Warne really. Not only Warne has to bowl on more difficult pitches but Murali has taken 150 odd wickets against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Murali is a great bowler but Warney was better than him.
 
Anver you are using bizarre logic.

Tim Nielsen is the current coach of Australia. Does that mean he was a better player than Warne, McGrath etc. :wenger:

I'd pick Warne over Murali any day of the week.
 
One has scored a lot of runs on a lot of flat pitches and the other throws the ball.
 
sammsky1 said:
Muralitharan:

Leading international wicket taker in cricket history with 800 wickets (95 more than no 2 Warne).
19-year international career,
492 international appearances
1343 international wickets
1935 international runs


Tendulkar:

Leading international runs scorer in cricket history with 14692 runs (1700 more than no 2 Ponting).
22-year international career
628 international appearances
32,700 runs international runs
199 international wickets


So, who was the greater international cricketer and why? No fence sitting.
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Cricket fans seem obsessed with individual records, for instance Muralitharan 1 WC, Tendulkar 0 is a huge stat, this is a team sport after all. (don't recall murali having an amazing 96 WC so may not be that big a factor in this case)
 
If they were on the transfer list and I could only afford one player I'd go for Sachin for the entertainment he would provide. However, great bowlers like Murali would win you more matches with their individual performances than a batsman.

Here's a question

What's more difficult - to take 5 wickets especially the top order batsmen or score a century?
 
Sultan said:
If they were on the transfer list and I could only afford one player I'd go for Sachin for the entertainment he would provide. However, great bowlers like Murali would win you more matches with their individual performances than a batsman.

Here's a question

What's more difficult - to take 5 wickets especially the top order batsmen or score a century?
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Nowadays, probably harder to take 5 top order wickets than make a century, unless you're playing Bangladesh :lol::lol:
 
Sultan said:
If they were on the transfer list and I could only afford one player I'd go for Sachin for the entertainment he would provide. However, great bowlers like Murali would win you more matches with their individual performances than a batsman.

Here's a question

What's more difficult - to take 5 wickets especially the top order batsmen or score a century?
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Depends what format. In limited overs, one bowler can be played out while one batsman can win you a match.
 
Why is Warne coming into the equation?

That's not the question asked.
 
sammsky1 said:
I used to think so but Im not so sure any more. Warne had McGrath softening up his victims the previous over for most of his career whereas Murali has been a one man bowling attack for much of his career.
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Ever watched Shane Warne? 45 Wickets in that 2005 Ashes series. There were times where he captured a win from jaws of defeat single-handedly.

Best bowler of all time.
 
Er...I'm disliking this. How can a midget bloke who's played out his whole career on flat wickets be a bigger legend than a spinner, yes a spinner who's taken 700 wickets with a disabled right arm? Tendulkar's a deity in India....but get some perspective people.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Er...I'm disliking this. How can a midget bloke who's played out his whole career on flat wickets be a bigger legend than a spinner, yes a spinner who's taken 700 wickets with a disabled right arm? Tendulkar's a deity in India....but get some perspective people.
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You've not seen Tendulkar annihilate bowling attacks outside of India then in his 20 year or so career?
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Er...I'm disliking this. How can a midget bloke who's played out his whole career on flat wickets be a bigger legend than a spinner, yes a spinner who's taken 700 wickets with a disabled right arm? Tendulkar's a deity in India....but get some perspective people.
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That's not even saying much is it... everything's a deity in India. Haven't they got some crazy number of gods?
 
MikeUpNorth said:
That's not even saying much is it... everything's a deity in India. Haven't they got some crazy number of gods?
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Yeah, but to be fair even Judaism was a polytheistic religion before...what? 600BC. Read Exodus 15:11, it explains all. Hinduism just didn't go down the monotheistic route... and now consequently Tendulkar's been added to the pantheon of gods. We're seeing a living deity in our lifetimes, Mike.
 
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