Last match starts against India tomorrow.
One of the greatest ever.
One of the greatest ever.
Muralitharan retires from test cricket..
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Great player and comes across as a great guy, hope he gets to 800 wickets.
what a player...
forced the authorities to change the rules of the game.
forced the authorities to change the rules of the game.
What a chucker. Not fit to lace Shane Warne's cricket boots.
Murali is a great man, and has done a lot for his country. But I cannot for the life of me figure out why this double wristed, hyper extendable bollocks became a factor.
Politics/race should have never entered the issue, he clearly contravened the rules, and should have been banned. I can't say I was born with a condition, and be allowed to compete in a way that disadvantages others.
I respect that Murali and Vaas held SL together for near on a decade, but his record is tainted by this(aside from the questions over the legality of his action):
Murali was a great player, and although his action still causes controversy, the fact he was cleared should stop all the allegations.
Although, I would say Warne was the better spinner, as BTV points out with Warney taking more wickets against the better teams (the guy took 40 wickets in the 2005 ashes). Also, I don't think Murali's record is the best against India and Australia, teams who usually play spin well.
Although, I would say Warne was the better spinner, as BTV points out with Warney taking more wickets against the better teams (the guy took 40 wickets in the 2005 ashes). Also, I don't think Murali's record is the best against India and Australia, teams who usually play spin well.
ha_rooney...but was he really cleared? They changed the degree to which spinners could bend their arms, it went from something like 11 to 15(which is where his doosra was). It was a shambles, not all his fault mind you, the ICC were a joke.
They ran tests at an Aussie university, which proved, while doing the tests, he bowled properly...but what is to say, he was not bowling within himself? It got to the point, where people were saying, that delivery has been declared legal, and can never be called illegal? Which is plain and simple stupid.
What is to say any bowler can NEVER be called? I might have a perfectly fine action, but at the end of 45 overs in a test match, I might get tired, and lose my action, and some of the deliveries might be illegal.
Australia caught a lot of flak for this(the crowds were terrible- I was there), but it had nothing to do with race(which is how it was made out). I remember Shoaib Akhtar coming back to bowl in australia after his action had been called into doubt, and he bowled with real venom, and anger, against australia. Yet the home crowd, gave him an awesome ovation...
Murali should have been thrown out of cricket(until his action was remedied).
*Ranatunga taking SL off the field, because Murali was called by the umps in a one day match....oh the shame.
They ran tests at an Aussie university, which proved, while doing the tests, he bowled properly...but what is to say, he was not bowling within himself? It got to the point, where people were saying, that delivery has been declared legal, and can never be called illegal? Which is plain and simple stupid.
What is to say any bowler can NEVER be called? I might have a perfectly fine action, but at the end of 45 overs in a test match, I might get tired, and lose my action, and some of the deliveries might be illegal.
Australia caught a lot of flak for this(the crowds were terrible- I was there), but it had nothing to do with race(which is how it was made out). I remember Shoaib Akhtar coming back to bowl in australia after his action had been called into doubt, and he bowled with real venom, and anger, against australia. Yet the home crowd, gave him an awesome ovation...
Murali should have been thrown out of cricket(until his action was remedied).
*Ranatunga taking SL off the field, because Murali was called by the umps in a one day match....oh the shame.
@ BTV, I didn't know they changed the degree to which spinners could bowl. Interesting...
Tbf, the rule was changed because of him, not for him. I went a bit overboard in my rant against him. Because of all the controversy, the ICC did a review of nearly all bowlers, and it came to the conclusion, nearly everyone chucked according to the existing limits, so new parameters were set.
My problem was, up until that point, others were called, and they went away and fixed their actions, some could not, and disappeared. Also my biggest gripe was the ICC taking Darrel hair out of the elite panel, because he insisted on calling Murali for No-Balls.
Again in Murali's defence, biomechanical testing showed, he did nothing others were not doing, but it 'looked' worse in his case.
I guess, for me this is more about warne, getting the job done anywhere and everywhere, against everyone(with the exception of Tendulkar), and not having a ton of cheap wickets against the minnows(Bangladesh - my country
)Can we stop this nonsense now BTV? Let's let just give the man his respect, because as you pointed out, it was not really his fault was it?
Murali has been a great servant of cricket internationally and I only wish him the best in his future endeavours.
Murali has been a great servant of cricket internationally and I only wish him the best in his future endeavours.
I cant help it, I am seriously conflicted when it comes to him. He is such a likable guy on and off the field...has he ever done anything resembling rudeness in public? Chucker or not, some of the wickets he got, were WOW!. I remember when SL played a one off match against England sometime in 98-99 in England, and Murali took 16 for the match.
But there is the other side that really grates at me....it's no big deal, not like Murali is going to lose sleep over what I think or say.
But there is the other side that really grates at me....it's no big deal, not like Murali is going to lose sleep over what I think or say.
Murali on 797 test wickets, he just completed his 67th 5-for.
India are being forced to follow on, 53-2 in their 2nd dig already. Murali needs 3 of the remaining 8 to reach 800! He has a day and a session to complete this task.
India are being forced to follow on, 53-2 in their 2nd dig already. Murali needs 3 of the remaining 8 to reach 800! He has a day and a session to complete this task.
This.
I'm only talking about him as a cricketer of course. I'm also talking about Warne as a cricketer because he wouldn't win any awards for his off field antics.
An effective wicket taker, in fact the best. But have to agree with Wibbs on this one. He's a chucker. Suspect action the entire way through his career which the ICC have continually looked at. The thing is that young lads that have attempted to copy his action have been called for having an illegal action.
A legend of the game and it'll be a bloody good while till someone topples him in terms of wickets taken. Still a filthy chucker though.
Even worse was the treatment of the umpires who quite rightly called him when others were too chicken to do the right thing.
Whereas Warne would NEVER take performance enhancers. EVER.
Well, according to the old rules McGrath was a chucker and all. But yeah he chucked the ball.
Yeah but, it's McGrath, and this is Murali, so double standards are just fine.
Oh and for all those who are having a go at him taking wickets against the 'smaller' teams, well he can't help it that Sri-Lanka didn't play the 'bigger' teams more often. He can only play what's in front of him.
It's more visible in Murali's action, to be fair. However McGarth used to straighten his arm. . .there's no other way he could've got such high bounce of a shortish run up - he wasn't much faster than medium and all.
ICC study reveals that 99% of bowlers throw | Cricket News | Global | Cricinfo.com
According to Derek Pringle in the Daily Telegraph, Murali is no different from the vast majority of his fellow players. The current law states that there should be no straightening or partial straightening of the bowling arm during delivery, and in-depth research has revealed that even bowlers like Glenn McGrath and Shaun Pollock, usually considered examplars of the classical action, occasionally go over the prescribed tolerance limit, bending their arms by as much as 12 degrees.
His action has always been the excuse for many Ozzies to peg him behind Warne. Clutching onto straws, methinks.
Excellent bowler.
Excellent bowler.
799...1 to go..
also only 1 wicket left!
also only 1 wicket left!
Murali - 800 test wickets
Awesome stuff!!!
Thoroughly deserved.
I think this record will stand for sometime!
Thoroughly deserved.
I think this record will stand for sometime!
most likely forever...
they were saying the closest player currently playing is Harbhajan Singh and he has 'only' 355...hehehehehehe.
With T20, and a crowded cricketing calender, I don't think players in the future will play as many tests.
they were saying the closest player currently playing is Harbhajan Singh and he has 'only' 355...hehehehehehe.
With T20, and a crowded cricketing calender, I don't think players in the future will play as many tests.
Sarcasm?
If not, then yeah, i think it will stand for a LOOONG time as no one else currently playing is even close.
raisa not all records...Like can you seriously foresee anyone breaking the test average of Don Bradman?
The closest anyone has come in still more than 30 runs behind his average! To put that into perspective, I think only 1 player in Bangladesh averages over 30 in test cricket...hehehehehehehe
The closest anyone has come in still more than 30 runs behind his average! To put that into perspective, I think only 1 player in Bangladesh averages over 30 in test cricket...hehehehehehehe
Absolutely fantastic achievement.
Very fortunate to have witnessed Murali and Warne in my lifetime.
Very fortunate to have witnessed Murali and Warne in my lifetime.
Murali has been a fantastic player, controversial yes but definitely worthy of being named as one of the best bowlers or should I say spinners of all time.
Having said that I still think Shane Warne trumps him, maybe thats because I'm a leggie myself but also because he's delivered more wickets against top class opponents and just such a character.
Having said that I still think Shane Warne trumps him, maybe thats because I'm a leggie myself but also because he's delivered more wickets against top class opponents and just such a character.
they just put up some stats for Murali
only bowler to have 10 wickets in a match against EVERY opposition.
67 times he's taken 5 wickets in an innings
only bowler to have 10 wickets in a match against EVERY opposition.
67 times he's taken 5 wickets in an innings
He took his Mum's diaretic pill without knowing what it was because he was feeling a bit lardy. Performance enhancing?
Noone ever accused him of being clever. The best spinner ever? Yes. Clever? No.
Nobody can seriously think that he was anything other than stupid surely?
Occasionally.
And Muralitheran only got near the limit under test conditions and after a huge amount of remedial training. In actual play he may as well have been a baseball pitcher most of the time so bent was his arm. All the umpires and officials knew it but chickened out and changed the rules. If he had been an Aussie or English spinner he wouldn't even have made it as a pro because of his action.
I don't think there's anything wrong with his action. Great guy.
When it became inevitable that we'd lose today(well, it seemed to become inevitable after yesterday), everyone in college was hoping Murali would get to 800, even though those wickets would be coming against our team. Great player who I think everyone, except the Aussies(who seem to have it as a national hobby for some bizarre reason), likes and respects.
When it became inevitable that we'd lose today(well, it seemed to become inevitable after yesterday), everyone in college was hoping Murali would get to 800, even though those wickets would be coming against our team. Great player who I think everyone, except the Aussies(who seem to have it as a national hobby for some bizarre reason), likes and respects.
He took his Mum's diaretic pill without knowing what it was because he was feeling a bit lardy. Performance enhancing?
Noone ever accused him of being clever. The best spinner ever? Yes. Clever? No.
Nobody can seriously think that he was anything other than stupid surely?
He took them to get into shape. . .the same reason why many use nandrolene straight after an injury.
You're clearly biased, Wibbs. He knew what he was doing.
Another fact - when Murali was bowling to Sachin earlier, it was only the 3rd instance in cricket history that the world's highest wicket taker was bowling to the world's highest run scorer.
That's rarer than Haley's Comet!
That's rarer than Haley's Comet!
He took his Mum's diaretic pill without knowing what it was because he was feeling a bit lardy. Performance enhancing?
Noone ever accused him of being clever. The best spinner ever? Yes. Clever? No.
Nobody can seriously think that he was anything other than stupid surely?
We are not talking of whether he was clever not. He was a cheat. A bloody drug taking cheat. But you still wish to ignore this and call Murali a cheat, and someone who is not fit to tie Warne's bootlaces. The boot laces of a cheat who used body enhancing drugs.
He broke the rules and was punished for it but he didn't cheat in the gaining advantage sense. Don't be silly. He was just a retard which is hardly a surprise.
Muralitheran had to have the rules change because he was a chucker. Even with the rules he was a chucker except for brief periods during testing following extensive remedial training. In games he was as bad as ever. Of course after the victimisation of the umpires who called himn meant that nobody was going to risk their career by calling him again.
In almost any other country it wouldn't be an issue because he would have been weeded out as a chucker at the grassroot level.
Muralitheran had to have the rules change because he was a chucker. Even with the rules he was a chucker except for brief periods during testing following extensive remedial training. In games he was as bad as ever. Of course after the victimisation of the umpires who called himn meant that nobody was going to risk their career by calling him again.
In almost any other country it wouldn't be an issue because he would have been weeded out as a chucker at the grassroot level.