This.
"Oh, that was meant to be that. That silent trumpet mirrored the collapse of the stock market. That blue box meant XYZ.".
Mulholland Drive
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"Oh, that was meant to be that. That silent trumpet mirrored the collapse of the stock market. That blue box meant XYZ.".
What the feck did I just watch?Intelligent my ass. Some random turds put together to make a bigger lump of shit.
Is it one of those movies where we watch a scene and then figure out what it was, and go, "Oh, that's art, that's cinema."?
feck me, it was terrible.
High-five for fantastic lesbian scenes though.
Even Southland Tales was better.
Who the feck is this guy?
David Lynch isn't for everyone. People who appreciate his work live on a higher plane of existence, which is ultimately a depressing and unsatisfactory place to be because it means you have to pretend that it's ok that your girlfriend likes Transporter 3 because Jason Statham gets naked when really you wan't to curl up and scream but it's really not worth it.
Like Spoons said we are all wired differently.
Oh weirdly a about 6 months ago I was on a bus and someone had written in lipstick on the back window "Club Silencio"...
Gave me the shivers.
Sure.
Tongue in cheek.
Well, I haven't read its Wikipedia page, or 100 IMDb threads on it, or any other website detailing the story, just to figure about what it was about, so could you help me out here and summarize?
I suppose on the most obvious level it's about a girl who dreams of making it in Hollywood and loses her identity along the way and ultimately sinks into depression and kills herself in a sort lucid stream of unconsciousness.
Like a lot of Lynch stuff it comes from his darkest nightmares and innermost hatred of what Hollywood and America has become. He still lives in the 1950's and the 'Golden Age' of Tinseltown.
Thing is about Mulholland Drive is that there is so much more there if you are interested in looking into it and peeling back the layers. If thats not your bag when it comes to art then i'd leave it well alone. I never read IMDB or any of that nonsense, it scews your view of a movie and puts unoriginal thoughts in your head.
I was forced to watch Mulholland Drive by a friend of mine years ago when it first came out. I had no inclination to watch it having seen Eraserhead and basically been like "what the feck!?" but it totally changed how i view movies now.
Probably for the worst. It's like when you first realise that God is massive egotistical self righteous creation of the human self. You can never go back.
Like a lot of Lynch stuff it comes from his darkest nightmares and innermost hatred of what Hollywood and America has become. He still lives in the 1950's and the 'Golden Age' of Tinseltown.
Thing is about Mulholland Drive is that there is so much more there if you are interested in looking into it and peeling back the layers. If thats not your bag when it comes to art then i'd leave it well alone. I never read IMDB or any of that nonsense, it scews your view of a movie and puts unoriginal thoughts in your head.
I was forced to watch Mulholland Drive by a friend of mine years ago when it first came out. I had no inclination to watch it having seen Eraserhead and basically been like "what the feck!?" but it totally changed how i view movies now.
Probably for the worst. It's like when you first realise that God is massive egotistical self righteous creation of the human self. You can never go back.
Thanks for that comlag. I might as well re-play a few scenes and get a *** out of it.
I was in love with her when she was in The Shield as Becca Doyle. Fake tits or not, they were amazing! And Watts's tits were good too.
Whilst I wouldn't take any issue with someone disliking Mulholland Drive or Lynch in general, it seems your problem is complete cynicism towards anything abstract or surreal in cinema which is a pretty narrow vision of what movies can be.
I guess it’s a genre which can be easily dismissed at pointless or stupid.. but really when then right they end up being very cleverly constructed movies; some things are just completely random as is the case with surrealism, but at times there are subtle hints or symbols that actually pertain to the story and can be quite fun to debate.
All IMO of course… It’s been a long time since I saw Mulholland Drive as well…
I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of that genre of movies. But I like a few movies of the said genre. A good movie is a good movie, regardless of what it holds. I went in this movie not knowing anything about it, or what to expect. I went in with a blank slate, just like I should, to decide for myself and not let reviews/director's history cloud my judgment.
There has to be a cohesive plot. Or at least a semi-cohesive one. There was none in this one. What is the point of making a movie if the audience has to go home, take out a notebook, and work everything out?
And then sit online for hours, figuring things out again, making theories, finding "answers"? I'm not a fan of that. Maybe this makes me "narrow minded" as you said, or not an "art" fan, but I'll take it.I won't stand in some art gallery with a martini in my hand, admiring a bunch of blobs, paying over the odds to hang a painting in my room which my dogs wet with different colors could make in 10 minutes. I'm happy that I didn't pay anything to watch this pretentious crap. The last 20 minutes were unbearable.
You don't have to, just google image search Caravaggio.
*sigh* unfortunately mate your attitude and others like it i.e the majority of kids today means we have to put up with more watered down "entertainment" and regurgitation of ideas. Cinema has gone to the dogs, man.
would've scared the shit out of me
I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of that genre of movies. But I like a few movies of the said genre. A good movie is a good movie, regardless of what it holds. I went in this movie not knowing anything about it, or what to expect. I went in with a blank slate, just like I should, to decide for myself and not let reviews/director's history cloud my judgment.
There has to be a cohesive plot. Or at least a semi-cohesive one. There was none in this one. What is the point of making a movie if the audience has to go home, take out a notebook, and work everything out?
I won't stand in some art gallery with a martini in my hand, admiring a bunch of blobs, paying over the odds to hang a painting in my room which my dogs wet with different colors could make in 10 minutes. I'm happy that I didn't pay anything to watch this pretentious crap. The last 20 minutes were unbearable.
I understand what you mean – But IIRC there was a definite plot to the movie. It’s non-linear and hard to decipher, but I think we are provided with some background to the character, and then experience her dream-like fantasy she imagines, then she awakes and
commits suicide?
Anyways my point being that the movie is comprised of the usual elements of a film, it has a plot, theme, motives etc it’s just told in a completely unconventional way with some random shit thrown in just for kicks.
I think maybe you're overstating the amount of effort it would take to ‘get’ this film… but it was probably a bit presumptuous of me to assume you dislike surrealism in general, out of curiosity what are your favs?
Bit of a pet peeve of mine.. but this movie isn’t even slightly pretentious.. it fits comfortably in it’s genre and doesn’t give any indication it’s trying to be highbrow or overly indulgent in itself, in fact I always get an impression that Lynch is just having fun with his films and enjoys making largely unsolvable riddles.
I don't know, I took your advise and just now went online to read about it, and here's one theory -
Now how am I, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to make that out of the movie? I'd have to watch this movie multiple times, watch the director's previous work, know about his style, his likings/dislikings etc over a long period of time, to come to that conclusion. Seriously....
If you can justify your objection I'd like to hear it. Or indeed if you could simply justify Sex And The City I'd take that into consideration.
I totally sympathise with you not liking a Lynch movie by the way, not many people I know have even seen one (apart from maybe Blue Velvet) so at least you have that. Nothing worse than criticising something you haven't even seen.
Haven't I been clear enough with why I didn't like it?
BTW thanks for being understanding, it's a taboo around here to say you don't like a movie if someone else likes it.
No I understand why you don't like Mulholland Drive, I was saying that by you saying my opinion on the quality of cinema is that it's really bad these days (jesus thats a mouthful) is a tiresome sentiment.
My stance is that the mainstream TV and Film produce is utter pants and independent film is where to find quality, with the odd exception like, er I dunno, the Coen brothers movies or There Will Be Blood etc.
I'm challenging you to defend Sex And The City
This is the internet. Man with keyboard he say truth. Other man with keyboard he say he say truth. No truth to found here.
Of course it is dumbed down now, they want as many people watching their movies as possible, and not just art lovers who understand complex symbolism. Just imagine, if in Inception, Nolan didn't explain anything, nothing about the totems, and what a kick is, and time slowing down, and Cobb's kids/why he's doing it, and limbo, and added 3-4 useless scenes of people dying in alleys after seeing ghosts. There'd be people lining up, saying how great it is, and how it would have ruined the movie if he explained anything, while people like me sat down and wondered WTF is going on.
I like those very much.
Why would I defend that, I've not watched the movies or the series.I'm challenging you to defend Sex And The City
i think ive seen the whole film once, but there is about 5 minutes of it ive seen many more times
Same here!To be fair, you've described yourself. 'OMG, he doesn't like The Prestige. LOLzz!!!'.
And you started with the wrong Lynch film. It's not exactly one if his more accessible one's is it. . .
I might have to watch that again to forget this ever happened.
Never impressed with this film. And I've watched it a criminal number of times.
He just seems to be fecking with the audience.
And really, he was only ever great at evoking emotion. It's not as if he was ever really a story teller.
The more bizarre those emotions get, the more profound he gets by most critic's accounts. Bollocks I say.
He just seems to be fecking with the audience.
And really, he was only ever great at evoking emotion. It's not as if he was ever really a story teller.
The more bizarre those emotions get, the more profound he gets by most critic's accounts. Bollocks I say.