I'd probably agree with you. Genuinely considering going into hibernation until he's finally sacked.
Moyes So Far!
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I think it would take a proper hammering for him to get sacked this week. If we lost 5-0 to Arsenal it could happen - it would be somewhat embarrassing for the club to have to u-turn on their stance, but everyone has their limit.
Nope. While yesterday was absolutely ridiculous beyond what even a lot of us on here thought he was capable of, it's not happening. Minimum he's getting the summer.
They won't sack him no matter what until the season ends, even then if we're 10th or something they'll probably still give him another year, at this point you have to really wonder just how much money you give him for players in the summer,even if he spends well and they're decent doesn't automatically mean a new manager would have them as their cup of tea, considering Mourinho's baffling approach to Mata and to a slightly lesser extent Lukaku as an example.
No more excuses: David Moyes is now officially up for the sack
First off, let me say that the support for David Moyes shown by the Manchester United fanbase (well, not ALL of them…) over the last nine months has been exemplary.
Yes, I'm well aware that said support is probably motivated more by a desire to appear less fickle than other fans than it is by genuine humanitarianism, but nonetheless, it has been refreshing and commendable.
Which is why I would like to hereby declare that as of 18:00 GMT on Sunday, February 9, 2014, the 'give David Moyes the benefit of the doubt' window is well and truly closed.
Every Manchester United fan, regardless of their stance on the torrid first season of the Moyes campaign so far, should no longer feel any moral obligation whatsoever to any possible excuse for why United are such a shambles.
This includes:
Well, did you watch the Fulham game?
Eurosport (and just about everywhere else) have absolutely piled in on just how much of a depressing chore it was to watch futile cross after futile cross zonk its way into the Fulham box.
Such a blatant betrayal of confidence in one’s own players and their ability as a unit to boss a game on the floor was made even more baffling by data available BEFORE KICK-OFF that shows Fulham, despite being bottom of the table, are in fact one of the better defences so far this season when it comes to dealing with crosses from the flanks.
Weak squad, tough act to follow, ridiculousness of hasty sackings, and dealing with the whole world trying to swoop in on your frailties like footballing vultures – this all could well be 100% true, but it’s absolutely zero excuse for the tat United fans had to endure on Sunday.
I am aware, first-hand, of fans of League Two sides who lose faith in their team’s boss for resorting to such one-dimensional tactics in a game they’re not even expected to win, let alone a home fixture against the division’s bottom side.
After the result, Moyes remained defensive of a undeniable, complete and utter tactical soiling of his own sheets.
"One of the big things about Manchester United is that they do play with width, they do cross the ball, it’s in their genes here," the Scot said.
No matter how he truly feels about the Fulham shambles, and no matter what results litter the remainder of Moyes' spell as United gaffer, one thing is clear in this writer's mind.
The time for leeway is over.
Quickfire hirings and firings in football are indeed unnecessary and tiresome. I say this as someone who usually groans every time a knee-jerk sacking is confirmed by a board who seem completely oblivious to how equally responsible they themselves are for any given club's struggles.
But at 6pm on Sunday evening, any sort of real potential outrage at the prospect of the Manchester United board giving up on their first post-Fergie project was well and truly put to rest.
David Moyes' head now officially rests upon the chopping block.
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Good article.
First off, let me say that the support for David Moyes shown by the Manchester United fanbase (well, not ALL of them…) over the last nine months has been exemplary.
Yes, I'm well aware that said support is probably motivated more by a desire to appear less fickle than other fans than it is by genuine humanitarianism, but nonetheless, it has been refreshing and commendable.
Which is why I would like to hereby declare that as of 18:00 GMT on Sunday, February 9, 2014, the 'give David Moyes the benefit of the doubt' window is well and truly closed.
Every Manchester United fan, regardless of their stance on the torrid first season of the Moyes campaign so far, should no longer feel any moral obligation whatsoever to any possible excuse for why United are such a shambles.
This includes:
- It's impossible to immediately follow Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest British manager of all time.
- The squad Moyes inherited was one of the weakest United set-ups in the Premier League era
- Ferguson himself needed three seasons to fully adjust at Old Trafford
- The other teams are all 'smelling blood' and upping their game for a very claimable scalp
- The chicken parmesan served at Carrington is below par in 2013/14
Well, did you watch the Fulham game?
Eurosport (and just about everywhere else) have absolutely piled in on just how much of a depressing chore it was to watch futile cross after futile cross zonk its way into the Fulham box.
Such a blatant betrayal of confidence in one’s own players and their ability as a unit to boss a game on the floor was made even more baffling by data available BEFORE KICK-OFF that shows Fulham, despite being bottom of the table, are in fact one of the better defences so far this season when it comes to dealing with crosses from the flanks.
Weak squad, tough act to follow, ridiculousness of hasty sackings, and dealing with the whole world trying to swoop in on your frailties like footballing vultures – this all could well be 100% true, but it’s absolutely zero excuse for the tat United fans had to endure on Sunday.
I am aware, first-hand, of fans of League Two sides who lose faith in their team’s boss for resorting to such one-dimensional tactics in a game they’re not even expected to win, let alone a home fixture against the division’s bottom side.
After the result, Moyes remained defensive of a undeniable, complete and utter tactical soiling of his own sheets.
"One of the big things about Manchester United is that they do play with width, they do cross the ball, it’s in their genes here," the Scot said.
No matter how he truly feels about the Fulham shambles, and no matter what results litter the remainder of Moyes' spell as United gaffer, one thing is clear in this writer's mind.
The time for leeway is over.
Quickfire hirings and firings in football are indeed unnecessary and tiresome. I say this as someone who usually groans every time a knee-jerk sacking is confirmed by a board who seem completely oblivious to how equally responsible they themselves are for any given club's struggles.
But at 6pm on Sunday evening, any sort of real potential outrage at the prospect of the Manchester United board giving up on their first post-Fergie project was well and truly put to rest.
David Moyes' head now officially rests upon the chopping block.
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Good article.
Why does everyone think it's up to Fergie to sack him? As much as he's revered he doesn't own the club.
The Glazers may have gone with his suggestion but they are hard nosed business men, if they think the club brand is in trouble they won't have any qualms about going over Fergie's head. Especially if it is perceived by them that SAF screwed up this appointment anyway.
The Glazers may have gone with his suggestion but they are hard nosed business men, if they think the club brand is in trouble they won't have any qualms about going over Fergie's head. Especially if it is perceived by them that SAF screwed up this appointment anyway.
There's nothing good about it apart from the fact that it eventually ends.
Seems the mainstream media have finally been shamed into action over Moyes. Must've been the flak they've been getting for nailing AVB but refusing to even cross the subject of Moyes so far.
Btw I had a dream last night that Moyes spends 82 million on the double transfer of Barkley and Osman.
EuroSport, the official arbiter of right and wrong in football, has spoken. It is now official, we can all breathe a little easier than a higher footballing knowledge has solved his moral dilemma for us.
I do wonder what the club see in him that I don't.
I thought "Yes, I'm well aware that said support is probably motivated more by a desire to appear less fickle than other fans" was quite a good line, there's definitely an element of that in my opinion. The rest was poor though.
We'll win the CL this season and Moyes will be hailed as the messiah!
Our 'style' likened to that of a Conference outfit by Dan Burn...
...I need to sit down...
That would make him our Benitez.
Well Moyes did say yesterday that teams would not be wanting to play United, or something to that effect. I suspect it's just the opposite.
The only way we'd win the Champions League would be through complete fluke or any opposition not being prepared for our conference football tactics.
If we don't qualify for the CL, which looks increasingly likely, our share price could drop significantly. This is likely to make the Glazers act. They could invest heavily in the team, sack moyes or both. Either way, they can't sustain the current model of debt management without a reasonable level of success on the pitch.
I know, I know
I think it just sums up the whole situation with Moyes and the United fans.. There is no tactical genius in what he said, or even something that we didn't know, but he just summed up what the fans are thinking right now, and I agree with you that the first part of it is the best part.
Yeah, it wasn't really that fashionable to criticise Fergie because he was a legend and some were quite militant in his defense. I for one think it's very healthy to have a human figure at the helm who can be criticised as and when it's needed. Moyes did inherit a number of problems. But he's also not shown any indication that he knows how to solve them. It's more of the same, only a lot less efficient and the weaker mentality he referred to yesterday is a relatively new thing, maybe causally linked to his appointment. Not that we had so many leaders before, we've lacked leadership on the pitch pretty much since Keane left, but that's another matter.
SAF wasn't infallible. Some of the problems in our team and set-up stem from the last few years. Therefore, we may require a manager who does not revere SAF. Moyes does not breed confidence at all. I'm sure he'll be given until December at least, but I personally feel there's nothing to go on to try and ignite a little bit of hope that he can turn it around. I think we needed something different to Fergie to replace Fergie. A new footballing philosophy and emphasis on the general movement and skill level of our players. We've got, and have had, too many players with too limited ability. It's not new for our attacks to follow the send-the-ball-to-Evra path. It happened last year too.
Mitten understands Moyes has been given complete power, he'll chop and change the squad in the summer and be financially backed. I don't know what to think, this really is gonna get worse.
I don't think it can get any worse than the Fulham game.
I'd bet my bollocks to a barn-dance that it's gonna get worse. Moyes is gonna rip apart this squad in the summer and replace the player's with more mediocre drivel.
Mediocre players like Mata you mean?
We'll sign some very good players in the summer. The only question is if Moyes can get the best out of them.
He's good in the transfer market, I don't think he'll be bringing in mediocre drivel.
I don't see quality player's lining up to join us in the summer. Questionable tactics and no Champions League football. I do agree that the signing of Mata may make us more appealing to some.
I hope you're right. He has signed Mata to play a crossing game though...
Judging by yesterday he has, but he can't be that stupid. Maybe with the likes of Neville banging on about how important width is to us he felt the need to stick with it, but after what happened yesterday he'll feel justified in starting to change. I'm confident that's the case, if it isn't he won't last here.
Based on what?
why did Fergie select someone who has such limited ideas on tactics?
I really can't think of much worse than allowing Moyes to do whatever he wants. We'll get rid of the likes of Kagawa,nani, Rafael. We'll lose Vanpersie, Ferdinand, Vidic, Maybe Rooney, Evra due to wanting to leave/ move on. Then who do we bring in? People are playing down the lack of champions league football but the truth is we arent the only ones who want top class players and there will be loads of teams in for the very same players but they would be able to offer champions league football. Then once Moyes has spent his hundreds of millions on 2nd rate players as well as losing a title winning side, the next manager will be left is a worse position.
If this wasn't a world class year I suspect Mata wouldn't have come. I'm sure there are quality players out there but I doubt whether our scouts can find them seeing as we haven't bought a top class CM in many years now, in fact Carrick was probably the last one. Hopefully we have back-up targets lined up (unlike Fabregas) if our attempts to sign the likes of Vidal, Gundogan etc fail.
The Everton side who currently play better football than us.
He may have a good record in transfers but I just don't trust him at the moment. He's shown nothing to convince me he knows what he needs to do. If he is given the kitty then I fear he could waste it, I hope I'm way off the mark.
same players we will be going for are the same players the likes of Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco, Juventus etc will be after and the difference is they will all be able to offer champions league football and far more inspiring football. Mata situation is different cause the truth is he was panicking about not potentially making the world cup. Then theres the fact that in a world cup year signing players is ridiculously hard. I just don't see how moyes is gonna create a better squad in the summer as he has now.
Being good at transfers for a club with zero budget has got nothing to with being good at transfers for United. Everton are only playing better football than us now that Moyes is our manager and not theirs, it used to be the other way around when Moyes was Evertons manager.
He thought he'd be like him. How wrong he was. He needed someone with a fresh, up to date game plan
I have no doubt we'll sign some very good players this summer. Let's wait and see
I doubt we will be able to create a better squad than we have now. Especially with the players who are likely to leave and the fact its a world cup year.
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