Mourinho at full time: "Pogba a virus. You don't play. You don't respect players/fans" [Castles]

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RW2 said:
Pogba is no virus.

He's just not a good footballer.
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It gets to that point doesn’t it.

First he needed a defensive partner to play in a midfield 2. We get Matic.

Then he needs to play in a midfield 3 to able to attack.

Then he needed Kanté.

Now he needs a whole new squad to make him look good. He has never been worth the money we paid for him. He’s a good footballer but I don’t think he’s in the true top class players currently, he isn’t consistent enough.
 
Well, it could be true to an extent, I have always found pogba to be overated as a player. He doesn't give in every thing in his arsenal when things are down. But it doesn't absolve Jose of his shit show one bit. Jose's attitude towards his team selections and tactics has been the worst ever he has shown here in his career, and Matic and Lukaku are big reasons for that as well who he himself bought here.
 
Jose doing his utmost here to get Ed Woodward's prized possession Pogba to want to leave.

Its come down to either Pogba or Mourinho now Ed, your turn...
 
Sir alex would have never bought him back, he was a no non sense manager and a great judge of a player and a character. Mourinho too was one back then but he keeps buying players which does not suit his methods and that has taken all the ruthlessness out of him.
 
Josep Dowling said:
It gets to that point doesn’t it.

First he needed a defensive partner to play in a midfield 2. We get Matic.

Then he needs to play in a midfield 3 to able to attack.

Then he needed Kanté.

Now he needs a whole new squad to make him look good. He has never been worth the money we paid for him. He’s a good footballer but I don’t think he’s in the true top class players currently, he isn’t consistent enough.
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He doesn't need a whole new squad. But a new manager rather along with the rest of the squad. Have you seen the football we play ? My goodness I'd be shocked if anyone found consistency under this manager.
 
roonster09 said:
Will be hilarious when people blame him (KdB) for not tracking runners in our own box.

Jose is the ultimate death for flair players, especially post Madrid days with only Hazard being the exception.
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Pep absolutely mauls his players for not tracking back after losing the ball. He benched Sane because he partly wasn't satisfied with his effort level and this was Leroy Sane yesterday. He's exiled players like Zlatan, Eto'o, and Yaya Toure because they refused to rigidly adhere to his system.

All coaches want good soldiers who'll execute their instructions. The problem with Mourinho is that he wants good soldiers who will mindlessly follow orders, even if they may be detrimental to the players. It seems like he has no patience with players who challenge or question his instructions, which probably leads to a lot of the conflict that he has with younger players.
 
Brophs said:

Have posted this a couple of times in the last year or so and will just chuck it up again. As sure as night follows day....
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This is very much spot on. I don't know how Madrid fans reacted to all the Jose's cnutish things but remember few Chelsea fans turning against players like Cesc, Hazard and Costa.

I don't remember Pogba ever falling out with any manager and he worked with SAF, Conte, Allegri, Deschamps. On the other hand Jose.......
 
liamp said:
Pep absolutely mauls his players for not tracking back after losing the ball. He benched Sane because he partly wasn't satisfied with his effort level and this was Leroy Sane yesterday. He's exiled players like Zlatan, Eto'o, and Yaya Toure because they refused to rigidly adhere to his system.

All coaches want good soldiers who'll execute their instructions. The problem with Mourinho is that he wants good soldiers who will mindlessly follow orders, even if they may be detrimental to the players. It seems like he has no patience with players who challenge or question his instructions, which probably leads to a lot of the conflict that he has with younger players.
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Absolutely.
 
roonster09 said:
This is very much spot on. I don't know how Madrid fans reacted to all the Jose's cnutish things but remember few Chelsea fans turning against players like Cesc, Hazard and Costa.

I don't remember Pogba ever falling out with any manager and he worked with SAF, Conte, Allegri, Deschamps. On the other hand Jose.......
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Tbf he's the best manager they've ever had, but even then then it wasn't the same blind worship you find here. That kind of stupidity is pretty much exclusive to a section of Manchester United fans.
 
roonster09 said:
This is very much spot on. I don't know how Madrid fans reacted to all the Jose's cnutish things but remember few Chelsea fans turning against players like Cesc, Hazard and Costa.

I don't remember Pogba ever falling out with any manager and he worked with SAF, Conte, Allegri, Deschamps. On the other hand Jose.......
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They knew how to use him, but I don't think Saf would have taken non sense he shows on the pitch many times.
 
Only seeing this story.

What more can you say? Mourinho is a bloody disgrace. Absolute stain on this club.
 
liamp said:
Pep absolutely mauls his players for not tracking back after losing the ball. He benched Sane because he partly wasn't satisfied with his effort level and this was Leroy Sane yesterday. He's exiled players like Zlatan, Eto'o, and Yaya Toure because they refused to rigidly adhere to his system.

All coaches want good soldiers who'll execute their instructions. The problem with Mourinho is that he wants good soldiers who will mindlessly follow orders, even if they may be detrimental to the players. It seems like he has no patience with players who challenge or question his instructions, which probably leads to a lot of the conflict that he has with younger players.
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Many players will blindly follow anything Pep says as he makes them play on front foot and players enjoy playing with ball at their feet. Betis manager said it best, it's easy to convince players when you sell them idea of 70% possession.
 
liamp said:
Pep absolutely mauls his players for not tracking back after losing the ball. He benched Sane because he partly wasn't satisfied with his effort level and this was Leroy Sane yesterday. He's exiled players like Zlatan, Eto'o, and Yaya Toure because they refused to rigidly adhere to his system.

All coaches want good soldiers who'll execute their instructions. The problem with Mourinho is that he wants good soldiers who will mindlessly follow orders, even if they may be detrimental to the players. It seems like he has no patience with players who challenge or question his instructions, which probably leads to a lot of the conflict that he has with younger players.
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The thing is, you can be ruthless when you have everyone else on your side. When they're confident in the system, in their development and they enjoy being in training and at the club. Fergie had that perfect, and it looks like Pep and Klopp are in a position to do it because their players love them. I've always said motivational qualities are at least as important as tactical astuteness when choosing a manager.
Same in any job, if you think your manager is hopeless and then he singles you out it's a very different feeling to when you feel like you're in a team that includes that manager and want to do the best you can for him and everyone else.
 
GE said:
He himself is the virus. He has run our club into the ground.

Sack the bastard and put Carrick in charge for the remainder and then employ Zidane or Conte. I don’t care how much compensation he has to be paid, we are super rich, what’s the fuss over a few million now all of a sudden?

We are a fcuking joke, it’s unbelievable.
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How is Carrick qualified to manage United?
 
Patrick08 said:
They knew how to use him, but I don't think Saf would have taken non sense he shows on the pitch many times.
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With SAF we play game on front foot with so many attacks. Players enjoy that and players are confident to play with ball. Under SAF even Cleverley felt like he is a good footballer. Pogba would have flourished under attacking managers like SAF.

Skills said:
Tbf he's the best manager they've ever had, but even then then it wasn't the same blind worship you find here. That kind of stupidity is pretty much exclusive to a section of Manchester United fans.
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This is what I will never understand. It's good to back managers, doesn't mean you have to bury your head in the sand and can't see the obvious. When things are not working, we should move on. It's not like we are talking about Sir Matt Busby or Sir Alex, it's fecking Jose.
 
JPRouve said:
Pogba played against Leicester and he was as good as Shaw. Now while I disagree with your assessment I misread your post and I can accept that you have a player or two above him in these matches but you can't say that he was far from these players.
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The thing that frustrates people is not his talent but his ego. He was good against Leicester but when he scored the penalty he didn't even celebrate. Our 1st goal of the season and he wants to show everyone that he's not happy. Regardless of any of his previous matches yesterday was just disgraceful. To be mugged like that constantly by a team that have won 4 times in 38 is shameful for a player of his supposed talent. Mourinho is done and will probably be gone around the start of the new year. Pogba should be sold to the highest bidder this summer because he just isn't worth the hassle. We are shite, average squad and toxic manager but it's still no excuse to put in horrible performances like the ones ALL these players put in week after week. Pogba's ego will cause problems for us in regards to the mentality of this team. We need players with the mentality of Zlatan, who said himself that Pogba thought he was god but not applying himself properly to think that.
 
VeevaVee said:
The thing is, you can be ruthless when you have everyone else on your side. When they're confident in the system, in their development and they enjoy being in training and at the club. Fergie had that perfect, and it looks like Pep and Klopp are in a position to do it because their players love them. I've always said motivational qualities are at least as important as tactical astuteness when choosing a manager.
Same in any job, if you think your manager is hopeless and then he singles you out it's a very different feeling to when you feel like you're in a team that includes that manager and want to do the best you can for him and everyone else.
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roonster09 said:
Many players will blindly follow anything Pep says as he makes them play on front foot and players enjoy playing with ball at their feet. Betis manager said it best, it's easy to convince players when you sell them idea of 70% possession.
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Absolutely. That's why I said "even if they may be detrimental to the player."
 
roonster09 said:
This is very much spot on. I don't know how Madrid fans reacted to all the Jose's cnutish things but remember few Chelsea fans turning against players like Cesc, Hazard and Costa.

I don't remember Pogba ever falling out with any manager and he worked with SAF, Conte, Allegri, Deschamps. On the other hand Jose.......
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Hmmmmm
 
roonster09 said:
With SAF we play game on front foot with so many attacks. Players enjoy that and players are confident to play with ball. Under SAF even Cleverley felt like he is a good footballer. Pogba would have flourished under attacking managers like SAF.
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Well that was not my point.
 
In Rainbows said:
That overrated player is the reason you were still able to say "wait until the end of the season for top 4" posts.
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What the feck does that even mean? He contributes close to nothing. And I didn't say wait until the end per say, I said let's see how we are at the end of the year.

I've said since Palace Jose probably needs to go now. Pogba needs to go regardless of our manager, I was never keen on his signing and despite genuine efforts to appreciate him as a player he just has far far too many cons.

Arbitrium said:
It’s hard to know if he’s overrated. What’s for sure is he is inconsistent. When he turns it on he looks like one of the best midfielders of the last ten years, that’s how good his best performances are and there aren’t many players you can say that about.
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He's certainly overrated amongst United fans. Neutrals broadly laugh at how overrated he is.

abdo99 said:
KDB would do feck all in this United team
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Im not talking about who is in what side. KDB is just a comfortably better player than Pogba. He works harder, keeps it simple more, has better decision making and so on.

Sir Scott McToMinay said:
If you think KDB would do better than Pogba in this current “team”, you are massively mistaken.
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KDB is simply better than Pogba. Im not comparing this team to that team.


Kapardin said:
Still defending Jose?

Pogba is the reason Jose is still in a job. Him and Martial turned it around against Newcastle. Plus, in terms of pure skill, he is the best midfielder in the league. If Jose can't get the best out of talented players, he can feck off.
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When the feck did I mention Jose?

JPRouve said:
Since Pogba was considered like the best overall CM by people that didn't watch him often, you are right about the overrated part. But he is still a very good player, just not as good as some think or thought.
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Yeah, pretty much. I just think he has too many flaws in his game to be considered as equivalent to the top midfielders in the league. He gets bullied so much and is so hapless that the occasional nice pass or well taken goal isn't worth it. The balanced players who work their ass off but have lesser skill actually add more value to the overall unit.

Whoever replaces Jose will have a really difficult time integrating Pogba into a hard working, drilled team.
 
He had a very bad game, how many of those has Matic and Lukaku had recently? Of course the rhetoric about Pogba prancing around as if he doesn't care will get thrown around again, and perhaps rightfully so - personally I think Pogba and Martial are our 2 most technically gifted, exciting players who have proven (particularly in Pogba's case) the kind of football they are capable of on more than enough occasions for us to question the manager that has consistently failed to get the best out of them (and most of his other players)

Nice try tho Jose
 
roonster09 said:
Many players will blindly follow anything Pep says as he makes them play on front foot and players enjoy playing with ball at their feet. Betis manager said it best, it's easy to convince players when you sell them idea of 70% possession.
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This is what people don't get.
Convincing players to defend from the front is a lot easier than telling players to man heir box or telling players to track runners endlessly without the ball.
 
Jose had Hazard playing like Bebe towards the end of his Chelsea reign. Hopefully the writing is on the wall for him and he doesn't see the new year.

Pogba deserves another chance under a new manager, he hasn't seen eye to eye with Jose for months now and it's clear he has no motivation to play for him.
 
GiddyUp said:
The thing that frustrates people is not his talent but his ego. He was good against Leicester but when he scored the penalty he didn't even celebrate. Our 1st goal of the season and he wants to show everyone that he's not happy. Regardless of any of his previous matches yesterday was just disgraceful. To be mugged like that constantly by a team that have won 4 times in 38 is shameful for a player of his supposed talent. Mourinho is done and will probably be gone around the start of the new year. Pogba should be sold to the highest bidder this summer because he just isn't worth the hassle. We are shite, average squad and toxic manager but it's still no excuse to put in horrible performances like the ones ALL these players put in week after week. Pogba's ego will cause problems for us in regards to the mentality of this team. We need players with the mentality of Zlatan, who said himself that Pogba thought he was god but not applying himself properly to think that.
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Source for this? I've only ever heard the self styled God, Zlatan, have nothing but praise for him and has consistently hit out at his critics in the press

Selling a player who was comfortably our best player for stretches over tge past year in this toxic environment is laughable. Let's see how he does under a manager who's not self destructive and passed it first before making drastic final judgments that we'll come to regret. Don't forget the clubs horrendous track record of replacing talent...quality doesn't grow on trees and all our quality players have underperformed under the present management
 
Pretty surprised there are still no funny images/memes about Jose being an anti-virus.

Come on caf, do yout rhing
 
IMO Mourinho is the mosquito spreading the virus. Mou has to go.
 
To be fair, pogba performance yesterday was horrendous but to be called a virus is a bit contradictory given Jose has ruined the core of this club further after Moyes and Gaal. 3 seasons on, we have no style, no consistent first team, the players clearly cannot stand him and we are still playing young valencia smalling. Klopp has tranformed liverpool in the same time with the same budget, pep has done the same with city, poch has been a godsend to spurs with limited cash, sari has changed chelsea after a few month as has emery done with arsenal. It is abolsutely pathetic that a club like man united are hanging onto jose as if this guy will bring back the glory days. 2 weeks ago he had a go at the youngsters again and then somewhat complimented yesterday's pathetic display. Who is the virus? 100% Jose and who is the catalyst,100% Ed, he dont know football at all. What are the players? They are also to blame with gutless performances but it is so clear they are scared to attack. That comes from the manager, if they do one thing wrong they will be dropped. Arsenal next, and another set of points dropped for sure. It is not even 50% of the season and we are 16 behind city. We could be 40 at the end of the year which is pathetic. Pogba martial de gea will all leave.
 
FFS what is Jose doing , I understand he is frustrated at Pogba's play are we not all ?
But you dont blast you players in public, you dont call them a virus , you do that behind closed door.
Hammer them behind closed door , keep them in the dressing room after the game.
This in not the way to build a happy dressing room a dressing room that wants to play for the manager, all this does is makes the player go , feck it !
Time for Jose to go , he is destroying what is left of the team.
Pogba is also a problem, he should be controlling that team, he should be the linchpin of the team, but he just sits back and does not seem to care.
TBH fed up with both of them, quicker they are both gone the better.
Man United without Jose is the only way now, but even that wont make Pogba a PL player IMHO.
 
VP89 said:
Yeah, pretty much. I just think he has too many flaws in his game to be considered as equivalent to the top midfielders in the league. He gets bullied so much and is so hapless that the occasional nice pass or well taken goal isn't worth it. The balanced players who work their ass off but have lesser skill actually add more value to the overall unit.

Whoever replaces Jose will have a really difficult time integrating Pogba into a hard working, drilled team.
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He is one of the top midfielders in the league. For me that's when the issue starts with some of you, there is no balance you go to the other extreme. Only Kanté, De Bruyne, Silva and Eriksen are arguably better, the rest are functional midfielders that are the product of the system around them. One of the things that we need to remember is that Pogba is the only top midfielder to do it alone, the others are well supported. Of course he has flaws that are beyond any system or support, his stupid tricks and ridiculous shot 50 meters from the goals are unjustifiable but they don't really overshadow 95% of the job that he does with really poor support from an individual and structural standpoint.

Pogba is overrated, he is a top midfielder and he is frustrating.
 
Josep Dowling said:
It gets to that point doesn’t it.

First he needed a defensive partner to play in a midfield 2. We get Matic.

Then he needs to play in a midfield 3 to able to attack.

Then he needed Kanté.

Now he needs a whole new squad to make him look good. He has never been worth the money we paid for him. He’s a good footballer but I don’t think he’s in the true top class players currently, he isn’t consistent enough.
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Did you watch the World Cup...?
 
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