Most likely departures this season.....

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to raise funds - Veron and Bartez. Fergie could get 20 mil from them to go and buy a couple of new players that will add the dimenshions to the team Fergie needs.

Veron and Bartez are world class, but I believe they will be sacraficed.
 
Originally posted by Bouche:
<strong>to raise funds - Veron and Bartez. Fergie could get 20 mil from them to go and buy a couple of new players that will add the dimenshions to the team Fergie needs.

Veron and Bartez are world class, but I believe they will be sacraficed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

To raise funds for what? Where can we get a player of Veron's ability for £10m.
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Whats with the obsession of raising funds ? How many funds did we raise to buy RVN, Seba, and Rio in a two year span ? We can buy without selling, irrespective of Kenyon's comments which are no doubt to stabalize the prices for our summer targets.
 
Spot on Travis.


Veron has played very well since Christmas, in the PL. Showing everyone he has what it takes to be a PL player. Selling him now, would be stupid, because he's settled in and we don't have depth in midfield. Keane, is not the player he was pre-op, Butt's had a terrible season, Beckham likewise, Giggs has only started to play well since he's been moved up front, Ole is not a midfielder. Scholes is the only consistantly world class midfielder we've got. Rather than selling, should we not ADD? Veron is class, his vision is amazing. Selling him will be a huge mistake.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Whats with the obsession of raising funds ? .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Daft bastards. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Whats with the obsession of raising funds ? How many funds did we raise to buy RVN, Seba, and Rio in a two year span ? We can buy without selling, irrespective of Kenyon's comments which are no doubt to stabalize the prices for our summer targets.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You answered your own question there Raoul.

It's not an obsession with raising funds as far as the fans go - I would imagine that 99.9 per cent of us believe that the club can afford to buy without selling.

The concern about selling comes from Kenyon's comments, which you can't just disregard, because he holds the purse strings.
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And you can only have so many stars too, you cant have them warming the bench. RVN will go nowhere, Beckham is 50/50 IMO, and it depends on whether SAF thinks he can improve the team with the money generated or not. Beckham if he does go will not go for monetary reasons.

It's also good every now and then to move a few players out to freshen things up. Like it or not, that is the case.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>And you can only have so many stars too, you cant have them warming the bench. RVN will go nowhere, Beckham is 50/50 IMO, and it depends on whether SAF thinks he can improve the team with the money generated or not. Beckham if he does go will not go for monetary reasons.

It's also good every now and then to move a few players out to freshen things up. Like it or not, that is the case.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So why were you so disparaging about my Veron thread then - when I just asked the question would he be the one to be sacrificed if someone had to go. Hardly deserving of the abuse I got for it.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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So why were you so disparaging about my Veron thread then - when I just asked the question would he be the one to be sacrificed if someone had to go. Hardly deserving of the abuse I got for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What abuse did I give?

All I was trying to say is that if that type of money was offered for Beckham, why the hell would we say no, only then to let a few others go for half the price? We want to strengthen, not replace.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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What abuse did I give?

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I didn't say you gave the abuse. Tho you did ask what the point of the thread was (I'm not saying that was abusive), and then finding it amusing when I was called a "fecking anti-Argentinian racist" because of it.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I didn't say you gave the abuse. Tho you did ask what the point of the thread was (I'm not saying that was abusive), and then finding it amusing when I was called a "fecking anti-Argentinian racist" because of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that you'll find I didn't ask what the point of the thread was, that was Spoony I think.

I said I didn't understand the topic, ie aimed at Verón.

If any have to go, and as I said, I do believe someone has to, then beckham it is, he's not the most important team member, but is the most valuable asset. With the money generate we can improve the team quite significantly IMO.

Barthez will go too IMO.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I said I didn't understand the topic, ie aimed at Verón.

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Like I tried to explain to deaf ears, I "chose" Veron as an example because basically we've achieved what we have in England this year without him, because of his injuries and long lay-offs. It seems logical that if we have to generate revenue from sales, you might choose to sell someone who hadn't played a big part in whatever success we have this season. It was never intended to be a slight on Veron. Fortune has also been out of the side for a long time but wouldn't raise the same kind of money.

And OK, you didn't say what was the point of the thread, but still implied that it was pointless.

Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>I really do not understad this thread at all. </strong><hr></blockquote>
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How I implied it was pointless I do not know, I was only disagreeing with your selection of player. With Keane in the state that he is (but I know you disagree with me on that subject), we need Verón more than ever. The bloke although he plays in the middle is also the only other passer of the ball comparable to Beckham. he is faster, has more vision, and also is starting to work his balls off. He can also play quite effectively across the pitch.

Fortune, Phil Neville, and to a certain extent even Nicky Butt are squad players, not normally first choice 11. We need to keep these types of players as they are loyal, and always there when required. If Keane does indeed get moved back into defence as I think that he will, Verón will become essential. His sale will not generate anywhere near that of Beckham (whose price tag has only 50% or less to do with his football), and buying a replacement for Verón would also cost more than the replacement for Beckham.

With between 35-40 million for Beckham, maybe a bit for Barthez and Chadwick, plus the 20 million SAF already had, we could quite easily buy a yound Beckham replacement of a similar quality (but diferent type of player), a really first class central midfield player (in the Keane mould), a 3rd/4th choice centre forward, another leftback, and a new goalkeeper. And still have some money to spare.

Bringing in so many players all at once would be a little over the top though IMO.

That if we are going to sell, is why I think that it will be Beckham, if the rumours of Real Madrid's interest are correct.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Like I tried to explain to deaf ears, I "chose" Veron as an example because basically we've achieved what we have in England this year without him, because of his injuries and long lay-offs. It seems logical that if we have to generate revenue from sales, you might choose to sell someone who hadn't played a big part in whatever success we have this season. It was never intended to be a slight on Veron. Fortune has also been out of the side for a long time but wouldn't raise the same kind of money.

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I think, Livvie, that you are downplaying Veron's contribution big time. He came in with quite stellar performances in the Premiership and quite notably after the derby defeat in November. They guy is wearing the Manchester United shirt with pride. The moment a player of his ability starts feeling like that, you don't let him go. That would be utter stupidity!
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
[QB]How I implied it was pointless I do not know, I was only disagreeing with your selection of player. With Keane in the state that he is (but I know you disagree with me on that subject), we need Verón more than ever. <hr></blockquote>

I don't agree that Keane is finished - but I'm realistic to know that it is a possiblity he might not recover 100 per cent from his op. There'd have been little point in me choosing Keane because if he is crocked, he wouldn't be very valuable.

Neither do I disagree about Veron. I was just generating a debate.

In future maybe I should just try abusing/humiliating other posters, doing wind-ups, or just starting topics about toilets etc. etc. Those type of posters don't get grief.

When I think of what some people have said about Veron - none of whom have been called a fecking anti-Argentinian racist. But then, most people try to keep on the right side of this type of poster.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Neither do I disagree about Veron. I was just generating a debate.

In future maybe I should just try abusing/humiliating other posters, doing wind-ups, or just starting topics about toilets etc. etc. Those type of posters don't get grief.

When I think of what some people have said about Veron - none of whom have been called a fecking anti-Argentinian racist. But then, most people try to keep on the right side of this type of poster.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't blame that on me. Nowt to do with me.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I don't agree that Keane is finished - but I'm realistic to know that it is a possiblity he might not recover 100 per cent from his op. There'd have been little point in me choosing Keane because if he is crocked, he wouldn't be very valuable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The worst thing to do is sell Keano, on the team level he is the most valuable asset we have. I just feel, as I've said on many an occasion, that he needs to be found a new role. IMO that would be in the centre of defence. Many then jump down my throat saying that it would deny a place for one of our young players, but CBs can play well into their 30s without a problem, so a few years learning a thing or two from Keane, although not always playing, would do them and us far more good in the long term.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>When I think of what some people have said about Veron - none of whom have been called a fecking anti-Argentinian racist.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Stanley "Argy Hater" Road has! :)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Stan Road is a right-wing bigot...

Goes without saying, Liv. ;)

No one takes his views seriously... unlike yours.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well if the result is I get called a racist and a xenophobe and get sworn at, I'd rather no-one did.

manusteve didn't call me a fecking anti-argentinian racist because he takes my views seriously anyway.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Well if the result is I get called a racist and a xenophobe and get sworn at, I'd rather no-one did.

manusteve didn't call me a fecking anti-argentinian racist because he takes my views seriously anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I blame it on Giggzy me!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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The concern about selling comes from Kenyon's comments, which you can't just disregard, because he holds the purse strings.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought Pete was disagreeing with Fergie about the squad size..not saying that we need to raise funds by selling.
We will lose Blanc, May and possibly Fortune and Chadwick etc over the summer.
Fergie wants a bigger squad like Juve who could have a mammoth fitness crisis and still play a team of full internationals.
Kenyon is saying that we can buy but not enlarge the squad to the point where we have lots of international players in the reserves.
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Still don't understand why you'd sell Veron over Giggs... lets be honest the latter doesn't have many years left at the top... i'd argue that we'd get the same amount for him as Seba. 20million seems to be the price Inter are prepared to dish-out,altho can'trust tabloid speculation.(and NO IAM NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULD SELL GIGGS!!)

Seba's 26, why would you sell a player with his best years ahead of him to'raise' cash??where's the sense in that?? what next, sell Ole, so we can buy another forward, even though, we're understrengthed in that department?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I blame it on Giggzy me!</strong><hr></blockquote>

kinell! if the daft one, says daft things, which aren't meant to be serious..but they come across as serious, what am I supposed to think?

;)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Still don't understand why you'd sell Veron over Giggs... lets be honest the latter doesn't have many years left at the top... i'd argue that we'd get the same amount for him as Seba. 20million seems to be the price Inter are prepared to dish-out,altho can'trust tabloid speculation.(and NO IAM NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULD SELL GIGGS!!)

Seba's 26, why would you sell a player with his best years ahead of him to'raise' cash??where's the sense in that?? what next, sell Ole, so we can buy another forward, even though, we're understrengthed in that department?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think I'll give up!

Giggzy, I don't know how to say it any other way. I used Veron because he's been out most of the season. If it had been Giggs, I probably would have used him.

And the idea of the topic was to debate the probabilities - I was not saying what I peersonally wanted to happen. Yes, I have sentimental reasons for wanting both Beckham and Giggs to stay, but I know that's what they are - sentimental reasons. I really don't have a preference from a pure football point of view.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Well....its a daft debate then.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fine.

If these are the standards then, if I don't like someone's comments I'll just call them daft. I'll adopt the same arrogance.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Fine.

If these are the standards then, if I don't like someone's comments I'll just call them daft. I'll adopt the same arrogance.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Huh! Fine then! ;)

(talk about sensitive.)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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Huh! Fine then! ;)

(talk about sensitive.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep.
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Well somebody has rattled her cage. The cherub isn't so mild mannered today it seems. ;)
 
I got in trouble the other day for calling Devilish a Malteser too.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Yes..... over some comments, she said as a joke, but they across as serious.

BLEEDINGGGGGGGG HELLLLLLLLLLLLLL

I give up.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But you obviously egged some others on with those comments. Trouble causer.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Well somebody has rattled her cage. The cherub isn't so mild mannered today it seems. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nothing to do with being mild-mannered. I just don't have the hide of a rhinoceros. Disillusioned with the whole fecking place tbh.
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