Most difficult in-game sporting achievement - 9 dart finish, 147 break, perfect hat-trick etc. ??

Shaun Murphy (porcine Snooker player) was recently at an event about this as he claims to be the only person to have done all three. I’ve not seen it yet but apparently his darts throwing was embarrassingly bad and there’s zero chance he’s ever thrown a 9.


What was interesting though is a comment I saw about it - the professional darts players who literally spend hours every day playing all say that even in practice they very very rarely throw a 9 whereas Williams and Murphy who were both at this event have each had over 1000 147’s in practice.


For me it’s always been the 147 because I know and respect the difficulty but that’s made me rethink it.
You don't have any luck involved in a 9-darter, but 147 and hole in one can and often do rely on an element of fortune. I'd tend to lean to 147 as well, given it's got so many moving parts and opportunities to go wrong.
 
I've seen the Murphy darts throws. None hit the board, one even completely missed the outside tire ring :lol: dude is probably counting 9 darts hitting anywhere on the board as a 9 darter.
:lol:I saw someone posted a tweet with the vid the other day and I need to dig it out and laugh at him.
 
147 for me. So difficult to do but a 9 darter is pretty special although ive never seen a perfect 9 darter - t20,t19 bull, t20,t19 bull, t20,t19 bull now that would be something!
 
Darts - I've hit a 180 before and I'm shite and was drunk at the time. No way it's this.

Golf - I play a good bit but again, I'm shite and can hit the green more often than not on a par 3. I've never had a hole in one but come close. Not this.

Snooker - It's this. Most people can throw a dart and hit the board, most people can hit a golf ball with a bit of practice. Snooker is next to impossible and those lads make it look like piss. Just potting a ball in snooker takes a fair amount of talent and practice - potting them all while positioning yourself to pot every other ball in the right order is unfathomable.
 
This week I discovered how few 9 darters there actually are though. It's way less than I would gave guessed. It seems far easier than a 147 (or even a 50+ break), and players score 180 fairly frequently so what's so hard about it?

Can only conclude darts isn't a real sport.
 
This week I discovered how few 9 darters there actually are though. It's way less than I would gave guessed. It seems far easier than a 147 (or even a 50+ break), and players score 180 fairly frequently so what's so hard about it?

Can only conclude darts isn't a real sport.
That's the same as saying snooker players get 100+ breaks so often what's so hard about a 147.
 
That's the same as saying snooker players get 100+ breaks so often what's so hard about a 147.

I don't understand why. In snooker, players usually aren't on for a 147. An opponent may pot a few balls before the player has a chance, balls will be in an upottable position, and often the best shot is to go for a colour other than the black.

In darts, they're aiming for triple 20 or triple 19 all the time, so every leg they have an opportunity to hit a 9 darter. They only time they don't have an opportunity to do so is if the opponent throws first and throws a 9 darter, which is extremely rare. So 99.9% of legs, the player has a clear opportunity.

The stats show its difficult, I just don't understand why.

Also I think a 147 is slightly overrated- often it's nice run of the balls. There can be breaks of 100-120 which are considerably more impressive than a 147.
 
This week I discovered how few 9 darters there actually are though. It's way less than I would gave guessed. It seems far easier than a 147 (or even a 50+ break), and players score 180 fairly frequently so what's so hard about it?

Can only conclude darts isn't a real sport.
Have you tried any of them?
 
I would guess that is a perfect hat-trick, mainly because there's so many factors out of the players control that can stop out from happening. cnuts like Pickford.
 
Van Gerwen was on a podcast a while back and he said a 147 is way harder that a nine dart finish.
 
Statistically it seems a 9 darter is harder than a 147.

Based on numbers and how quick a game of darts is vs a game of snooker.

As above pretty much all games of darts you're on for a 9 darter for snooker there are times you are better not doing. Yet the numbers of 9 darters are significantly less.

An over of 6s is also incredibly rare but like with snooker you'd be kinda crazy to try slog everything and it depends on the opponent since they're bowling it.
 
Someone's crunched the numbers on this and the odds are weirdly similar. But the comparison doesn't really work, given golfers don't always aim for the pin and snooker players would rather get say a 145 break so they keep it going and win the frame.

9-darter
-players have contested 69,888 legs across 60 Players Championship events and achieved perfection 48 times, we can say that the odds of a nine-darter being completed in any particular leg are 1,456 to 1, or 2,912 to 1 per player attempt.

147
-33 since the beginning of the 2022 World Championship, divide by the number of frames played (more than 46,000) and arrive at a probability of 2,825 to 1 per player attempt,

Hole in one
-"the odds of a pro holing out from 200 yards are about 2700 to 1", based on analysis of data from the PGA Tour's ShotLink database.

https://www.pdc.tv/news/2024/12/04/stats-analysis-nine-darter-147-break-or-hole-one-whats-harder

Statistically it seems a 9 darter is harder than a 147.

Based on numbers and how quick a game of darts is vs a game of snooker.

As above pretty much all games of darts you're on for a 9 darter for snooker there are times you are better not doing. Yet the numbers of 9 darters are significantly less.

An over of 6s is also incredibly rare but like with snooker you'd be kinda crazy to try slog everything and it depends on the opponent since they're bowling it.
A 9 darter is slightly rarer -excuse quoting my own post- but yep not a like for like comparison, given snooker players will readily accept lower colours from the off to start a break.

I remember MVG? trying to tee up a 170 out on the 9 a few years back but not managing it.
 
Over the 154 years of Major League Baseball history, and over 238,500 games played,[1] there have been 24 official perfect games by the current definition.
Weirdly there were three in 2012 across a four month span and then not another until 2023. Also In 2010 Roy Halladay threw a perfect game and then four days later Armando Galarraga threw what would have been a perfect game but for a bad umpire call, shame for him they didn't have video review back then but I guess his game stands out alone for that reason so in a club of his own.
 
the hardest thing in sport is clearly united scoring a goal.
 
Statistically it seems a 9 darter is harder than a 147.

Based on numbers and how quick a game of darts is vs a game of snooker.

As above pretty much all games of darts you're on for a 9 darter for snooker there are times you are better not doing. Yet the numbers of 9 darters are significantly less.

An over of 6s is also incredibly rare but like with snooker you'd be kinda crazy to try slog everything and it depends on the opponent since they're bowling it.

This statistically thing is always brought in favour of the 9 darter, but it makes no sense. Simply put, 9-darters do and have happened by club players that are no way near even elite amateur status forget pro as an anomaly and the hole in one happens by absolute casual players on the daily worldwide..... the 147 almost exclusively only exists at the elite amateur level and above, and I'd be surprised if even 1000 players have ever done 1.

1's 100% skill based more or less.