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RedCurry said:
people don't realize that many of our greatest players have taken time to settle into the team that's all.
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Only if Schneiderlin has time. Wait were you talking about Carrick? I thought he didn't need time to settle into the team, he was very good in his first season imo.
If it's about Evra and Vidic who had half season only to settle into the team I must say you are making the conversation way off the chart from Schneiderlin to Carrick to other players :lol:
 
Mike09 said:
Only if Schneiderlin has time. Wait were you talking about Carrick? I thought he didn't need time to settle into the team, he was very good in his first season imo.
If it's about Evra and Vidic who had half season only to settle into the team I must say you are making the conversation way off the chart from Schneiderlin to Carrick to other players :lol:
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Yes you win.
 
RedCurry said:
Yes you win.
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Good choice, it's like insanity in here with him. You prove hes talking bullshit and then he goes off on another barely legible tangent, think I'll follow your lead.
 
ivaldo said:
Good choice, it's like insanity in here with him. You prove hes talking bullshit and then he goes off on another barely legible tangent, think I'll follow your lead.
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This comment of yours actually really are sickening so much. Obviously you will get reply when you abuse or mock or to be irony to someone's opinion with no respect. I'm here to talk not to make or take your irony's comment.

Just because you don't read someone else post doesn't mean you make things up with no proof @ivaldo
If you want the discussion end you could at least either no talk, don't talk crap about me not watching football or the very least answer my very first question from the start of our discussion:

why are you calling Schneiderlin as the best defensive midfield which is no6 role during his best season, when his best season he played as a box to box or ball winning midfielder type of box to box which is no8 role?
im still waiting and welcoming your answer because so far you have yet given me the answer which is why the argument has gone too long.

One guy already told you that Schneiderlin can do his role without being a defensive holding midfielder. One guy today already said that Wanyama was the one who played as a defensive midfield. And I told you he didn't play as a defensive mid at his best season. And you have no idea how to reply and decide to talk crap. :wenger:
 
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@Mike09 I've already quoted my previous posts which categorcially proves the nonsense you have been spouting is bullshit, that didn't seem to stop you though, and now it's completely taking the thread off point.

Let's review for you:

Ultimately I beleive a defensive midfielder is a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively, an umbrella term that includes holding midifelder, anchor, deep lying, ball winning etc.

You've spent the last I don't know how long calling me wrong because you can't get your head around me using that term and not meaning a holding midifelder.

You insisted on calling him a box to box midfielder, something I have not disagreed with (despite your attempts to prove otherwise) and I used the example of Pogba to show the flexibility in the role, to show positons can't cut an dry, like your idea a defensive midfielder must be a holding one. You then took this as a direct comparison, despite me categorcially stating my opinion otherwise, I've since provided quoted proof for you.

You see a box to box midfielder, as it's been explained by me as well as others, traditionally contributes as much offensively as they do defensively, they spent time in their opponents box, as well as their own, hence the name. So he can't be a box to box midifelder in the names truest sense, and the statistics we have provided you in the thread (which youve ignored) strongly agrees with that assessment.

For me, if you want to use an FM term, is a ball winning midifelder.
 
Hard to assess him cause just haven't seen enough of him. That said, the last two managers just haven't fancied him. I could see him going in Jan as there's 4 players in front of him.....
 
@ivaldo I heard SAF use the expressions defensive and attacking box to box, would you agree that Schneiderlin at Southampton can be labelled as the former?
 
Mike09 said:
:lol: I'm actually with two of my Chelsea mate right now and I showed them this and they are laughing at you. They think he's Chelsea's second best player so far. It's either he's being underrated by other people because Cahill was poor or you just got no clue about how big influence Kante has so far with Chelsea.
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Your 'mates' sound clueless.
 
JPRouve said:
@ivaldo I heard SAF use the expressions defensive and attacking box to box, would you agree that Schneiderlin at Southampton can be labelled as the former?
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I do, I think it's a very apt description of the role he play, I've not argued otherwise. That would make him a defensive midfielder to me.
 
Ramshock said:
No because not all of us have the patience of a 4 year old.
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Oh yeah that's right. He was a beast at Southampton, he was one of the best midfielders in the league, he's not had a chance to show his potential, he needs better players around him, he had a great game against Aston Villa, he'll come good eventually....yada, yada, yada!

Not all of us have the idealism of a 4-year-old either. Good job Mourinho's picking the teams then and not you.
 
RedPed said:
Oh yeah that's right. He was a beast at Southampton, he was one of the best midfielders in the league, he's not had a chance to show his potential, he needs better players around him, he had a great game against Aston Villa, he'll come good eventually....yada, yada, yada!

Not all of us have the idealism of a 4-year-old either. Good job Mourinho's picking the teams then and not you.
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I dont recall saying any of those things nor saying he should be picked, however he isnt rubbish just because he hasnt cracked our team but I dont have the rationale of a 4 year old either.
 
Ramshock said:
I dont recall saying any of those things nor saying he should be picked, however he isnt rubbish just because he hasnt cracked our team but I dont have the rationale of a 4 year old either.
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Just because I think that a player is rubbish, it doesn't mean I have the patience of a 4 year old either. He's not the first person it hasn't worked out for and he won't be the last. I was gutted when Di Maria and Falcao were moved on. Things don't work out for various reasons but we move on. Schneiderlin's had plenty of opportunities to show his worth but he hasn't taken them. Other new arrivals like Rojo, Depay and Darmian are also under scrutiny and not even Mkhitaryan has really had a sniff yet. I just don't get this blind optimism that so many have in Schneiderlin. He might have been great at Southampton but United is just a level too far for him imo.
 
 
ivaldo said:
@Mike09 I've already quoted my previous posts which categorcially proves the nonsense you have been spouting is bullshit, that didn't seem to stop you though, and now it's completely taking the thread off point.

Let's review for you:

Ultimately I beleive a defensive midfielder is a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively, an umbrella term that includes holding midifelder, anchor, deep lying, ball winning etc.

You've spent the last I don't know how long calling me wrong because you can't get your head around me using that term and not meaning a holding midifelder.

You insisted on calling him a box to box midfielder, something I have not disagreed with (despite your attempts to prove otherwise) and I used the example of Pogba to show the flexibility in the role, to show positons can't cut an dry, like your idea a defensive midfielder must be a holding one. You then took this as a direct comparison, despite me categorcially stating my opinion otherwise, I've since provided quoted proof for you.

You see a box to box midfielder, as it's been explained by me as well as others, traditionally contributes as much offensively as they do defensively, they spent time in their opponents box, as well as their own, hence the name. So he can't be a box to box midifelder in the names truest sense, and the statistics we have provided you in the thread (which youve ignored) strongly agrees with that assessment.

For me, if you want to use an FM term, is a ball winning midifelder.
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Three guys think the same thing as me but not even a single person thought the same thing as you.

No Logo said Schneiderlin can easily play a ball winning midfielder without become a non holding defensive midfielder which is the same thing as I said because I said Schneiderlin at his best season was when he played box to box type of ball winning at Southampton.
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What's with the baseless FM bashing all the time? You can easily play a ball winning midfielder on support to emulate the role of a non holding defensive midfielder.

JPRouve and Sir Alex Ferguson (greatest manager) said box to box can be expressed two type of box to box which defensive and offensive so I don't know why are you still insisting he wasn't box to box when he played at his best with Southampton in 2014/2015. Wanyama was the one played as a defensive midfield!

People back in the days always use defensive midfield as a name of no6 until the modern days there is a no6 called deeplying playmaker. I don't know why you called people clueless or spouting bullshit just because he has different term of defensive midfield as you but a lot of people know that defensive midfield is just a term to describe no6 except you.

You believe defensive midfield is a player who contributed mostly defensively which can also be used in any player's role as long as they contributed Defensively even if they play as no8 or box to box. But deeplying playmaker contributed mostly at his passing, vision and control the tempo not defensively but people still call Carrick is a defensive midfielder because it is what everyone call if a player play as a no6.
 
I give up, it's like discussing it with a child with his fingers in his ears, either that or you just refuse to read what I've written. We've gotten to the point where your ramblings don't justify a response.
 
ivaldo said:
I give up, it's like discussing it with a child with his fingers in his ears, either that or you just refuse to read what I've written. We've gotten to the point where your ramblings don't justify a response.
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I'm being nice here but you act like this. If you don't respect people's opinion don't talk crap about it. And I highly doubt you even read my post properly because it took you four minutes to reply.

ivaldo said:
I do, I think it's a very apt description of the role he play, I've not argued otherwise. That would make him a defensive midfielder to me.
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Even in this post you sound like agree that he was box to box type of defensively but you are still being stubborn if the username changed to my username eventhough we said the same thing.
 
Mike09 said:
Even in this post you sound like agree that he was box to box type of defensively but you are still being stubborn if the username changed to my username eventhough we said the same thing.
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Yes I do! How the feck are you not getting this!? You have a problem with my description of what he is, not the other way around, I said it, REPEATEDLY, that a box to box midfielder is a fine example to use for him, he's not a B2B in the traditional sense but a defensive adaptation of it.How after two days, do you not understand this? It's astonishing!

I even said in the last post you quoted!

'You insisted on calling him a box to box midfielder, something I have not disagreed with (despite your attempts to prove otherwise)'

You seem to be hopelessly lost here and you're arguing with points I haven't even made.
 
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ivaldo said:
Yes I do! How the feck are you not getting this!? You have a problem with my description of what he is, not the other way around, I said it, REPEATEDLY, that a box to box midfielder is a perfectly fine example to use for him. How after two days, do you not understand this? It's astonishing!

I even said in the last post you quoted!

'You insisted on calling him a box to box midfielder, something I have not disagreed with (despite your attempts to prove otherwise)'
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You are wrong because I never argue about that bold sentence! I can see that you are just being lazy to read long post I will make it short as possible.
My argument is why did you call him as the best defensive midfielder at his best season if he played as a box to box?
Carrick is a deeplying playmaker that contributed more in his passing, vision, and control the tempo than his Defensively but people still call him defensive midfielder so why are you the only who still think defensive midfielder is a term to call midfielder who contributes more defensively but not a term of no6 because it seems everyone in here so far think defensive midfield is just an old version name of no6 role?
 
Mike09 said:
You are wrong because I never argue about that bold sentence! I can see that you are just being lazy to read long post I will make it short as possible.
My argument is why did you call him as the best defensive midfielder at his best season if he played as a box to box?
Carrick is a deeplying playmaker that contributed more in his passing, vision, and control the tempo than his Defensively but people still call him defensive midfielder so why are you the only who still think defensive midfielder is a term to call midfielder who contributes more defensively but not a term of no6 because it seems everyone in here so far think defensive midfield is just an old version name of no6 role?
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You havent been to the Carrick thread in the last 6 years then if you think people don't think he contributes significantly defensively, a lot of people wanted him in the team for that very reason, because he protects the defense.

In that very same post you quoted I said.

ivaldo said:
Ultimately I beleive a defensive midfielder is a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively, an umbrella term that includes holding midifelder, anchor, deep lying, ball winning etc.
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READ WHATS BEEN WRITTEN.
 
ivaldo said:
You havent been to the Carrick thread in the last 6 years then if you think people don't think he contributes significantly defensively, a lot of people wanted him in the team for that very reason, because he protects the defense.

Also in that very same post you quoted I said.

"Ultimately I beleive a defensive midfielder is a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively, an umbrella term that includes holding midifelder, anchor, deep lying, ball winning etc."

READ WHATS BEEN WRITTEN.
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Is my post not short enough?
You have yet to answer my questions.
Why did you call him as one of the best defensive midfielder at his best season if he played as a box to box?

OMG can you please read my post properly. I never say Carrick doesn't contribute defensively significantly.
I'm just saying that his contribution in his passing, vision and control the tempo are more than his defensive contribution. In other word his most contribution play isn't Defensively but more in his passing, vision and dictate the tempo. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here???

That's exactly why I'm asking you!! You know what if Carrick is confusing you what about if I ask you someone who has less defensive contribution than Carrick like Pirlo. Why Pirlo is considered to be defensive midfielder even though his most contribution play isn't Defensively?
I want to know your answer. My answer will be the same because defensive midfield is another old version name of no6 role. It's not a name that you can call someone who contributed Defensively the most!

You keep saying me has inability to read but it's clear I read your post but you don't read mine at all!!
 
@Mike09
Officially give up! I don't think I can keep repeating the same things again and again and getting a barely eligible response in reply. Conversation over.
 
ivaldo said:
@Mike09
Officially give up! I don't think I can keep repeating the same things again and again and getting a barely eligible response in reply. Conversation over.
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Dude! You clearly didn't read my post at all! No way in hell it will take you less than 3 min by just read and reply my long post. Just bloody read and you will understand.

Deeplying playmaker is considered to be defensive mid but they don't contribute the most defensively in their playing style right?! because their main asset is to dictate a tempo with their passing and vision. So this concludes that defensive midfield isn't just a name for a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively. IMO it's just a name for no6 role. So player like Schneiderlin who played as a box to box at his best in 2014/2015 shouldn't be called or considered to be the one of the best defensive midfielder in that season.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
 
Mike09 said:
Dude! You clearly didn't read my post at all! No way in hell it will take you less than 3 min by just read and reply my long post. Just bloody read and you will understand.

Deeplying playmaker is considered to be defensive mid but they don't contribute the most defensively in their playing style right?! because their main asset is to dictate a tempo with their passing and vision. So this concludes that defensive midfield isn't just a name for a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively. IMO it's just a name for no6 role. So player like Schneiderlin who played as a box to box at his best in 2014/2015 shouldn't be called or considered to be the one of the best defensive midfielder in that season.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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You are right he was a box to box midfielder at Southampton, good energy got up and down breaking up play like Kante at Leicester but he's a player who's main influence has always been defensive. He doesn't have the quality attacking wise. One thing you need to factor in is as you move up the league the quality in teams increase. So a player who might be a 8 for Everton will come here and be a 4 just because the level were are on demands more quality. Same sort of thing as Felliani being the main man and a 6/8 at Everton and he comes here and he is a dm, same sort of thing as Kante being a defensive B2B midfielder at Leicester and going to Chelsea and being holding midfielder or playing for France and being a holding midfielder or Arteta being an 8/10 for Everton and being a deep lying playmaker for Arsenal (he was great in that role for a few seasons for them). Surrounded by more quality these players aren't good enough to be given the roles further forward they had at their smaller teams.

Schneiderlin for me has enough in his locker to be a dm here, anchor man, disrupt and give it off to more talented teammates. But for us 80-90% of the time we will need more from our midfielders hence why I said he can be a squad player not a starter but for that 10-20% of the time for me he can definitely do that role and better than Fellaini. He is more mobile, anticipates danger better and it's a wash on the ball between the two of them. I feel more comfortable defensively when he plays and when he was starting for LVG his influence in that regard was evident, we were much more solid defensively and didn't have teams running through the middle of us like Norwich did. It was just the fact he was so average on the ball and on top of that hid from receiving the ball that meant he couldn't play because he was really hurting the team when building up attacks. But for Mourinho? I think he can be a good squad player.
 
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You are right he was a box to box midfielder at Southampton, good energy got up and down breaking up play like Kante at Leicester but he's a player who's main influence has always been defensive. He doesn't have the quality attacking wise.
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Exactly!! Me and everyone did mention box to box has two type offensively and defensively. And Schneiderlin was the defensive type of box to box at his best season but that guy thinks he was one of the best defensive midfielder at his best. He was a defensive mid at Southampton but his best season when he played as a box to box.
But look at his statement, weird.

When you take into consideration he was the best defensive midifelder in the league prior to signing for us then we should at least afford him the oppotunity to prove it.
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a defensive midfielder is a midfielder that contributes significantly defensively.

But if you want to be pedantic then calling him a box to box midfielder would directly compare him to Pogba, would you say he plays the same as PP? Nah. Didn't think so.
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And later on he changed his mind to this:

I beleive a defensive midfielder is a midfielder who contributes most of their play defensively, an umbrella term that includes holding midifelder, anchor, deep lying, ball winning etc.
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Didn't he say defensive midfielder is the one contributed most of their play defensively but isn't it deeplying playmaker is someone who contributed more on his passing, vision, and dictate the tempo not "contributed most of their play defensively"

Yes I do! How the feck are you not getting this!? You have a problem with my description of what he is, not the other way around, I said it, REPEATEDLY, that a box to box midfielder is a fine example to use for him, he's not a B2B in the traditional sense but a defensive adaptation of it.How after two days, do you not understand this? It's astonishing!
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Didn't he say if calling him a box to box midfielder would directly compare him to Pogba.

It was unbelievable argument though lol.
 
There's an argument going around in circles in this thread. I just can't put my finger on what it is.
 
podurban2 said:
There's an argument going around in circles in this thread. I just can't put my finger on what it is.
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He's actually arguing with himself now, copying part quotes out of context, it's a little sad.
 
Might get to see him play, can't be any worse that any other at the club....
 
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