Modric vs Sneijder vs Nasri - a muppet poll

Who would do best at United?

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VoetbalWizard said:
all this rooney in the hole business is well and good, but one thing is for sure..playing him there against barca was suicide before the match, it was proven during the match, and if we play them in the next few years, it'll be suicide again.

There is just no way we can play 2 up top against that lot. It leaves midfield completely overwhelmed.

That said, Sneijder would be the best IMO against barca.

Nasri though is the smartest buy when you take into consideration age, prem experience, flexbility, wages, fees, etc.

modric...no thank you.
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Here we go with the Barca thing. Sorry but you could argue that no matter what 11 players from our squad was thrown onto that pitch we would've gotten overpowered anyway.

Mainly because we had a 37 year old in a 2 man midfield which would've been shit on no matter who was in it, 2 or 3 players or whatever.

Rooney in the hole can work if he has 2 really good, high working, ball keeping players behind him. Modric and to a lesser extent Nasri can fit that bill, Sneijder can't.
 
cina said:
Here we go with the Barca thing. Sorry but you could argue that no matter what 11 players from our squad was thrown onto that pitch we would've gotten overpowered anyway.

Mainly because we had a 37 year old in a 2 man midfield which would've been shit on no matter who was in it, 2 or 3 players or whatever.

Rooney in the hole can work if he has 2 really good, high working, ball keeping players behind him. Modric and to a lesser extent Nani can fit that bill, Sneijder can't.
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I agree that we would've gotten over powered anyways, but not shat on. It would be more like rome again where the match and statistics weren't so one sided.

The reason sneijder works better 'in the hole'...but really its a little deeper than where rooney plays, it is because he doesn't play as risky as rooney and his touch and short passing is a bit more assured (especially first touch is more consistent for sure) than rooney.

Furthermore, if you watch the match...rooney kept falling deeper and deeper to get on the ball, but fergie yelled at him to stay further up top. Getting someone like sneijder in would allow fergie to stick with trying to keep rooney from dropping deep against a team like barca and stay in attacking positions.

And you said yourself, if you want rooney to work in the hole, then you need two hard working, technically superb, extremely good midfielders. Pretty much you are saying to drop fletch and carrick and find robson and keane.

That isn't going to happen.

Sneijder is the quickest fix until lads like morrison and petrucci can come through.
 
Stretch said:
Sneijder would be a perfect fit, alas we won't sign him.
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same.

We should be getting 2 out of the 3, tho.

Nasri, Sneijder and a DM/Fletcher for cover would be a terrific midfield for big games ans away from home.
 
cina said:
Here we go with the Barca thing. Sorry but you could argue that no matter what 11 players from our squad was thrown onto that pitch we would've gotten overpowered anyway.

Mainly because we had a 37 year old in a 2 man midfield which would've been shit on no matter who was in it, 2 or 3 players or whatever.

Rooney in the hole can work if he has 2 really good, high working, ball keeping players behind him. Modric and to a lesser extent Nani can fit that bill, Sneijder can't.
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I can't help but feel Sneijder isn't winning this because people see him as an impossibility.

On footballing terms and actually on what our midfield need Sneijder should be top of that poll, otherwise, adding a creative player is all good and well, but we need abit of a midfield general. Or one of a creative player and a box-to-box player, ala de Rossi or Schweinsteiger.

Common sense dictates because you can only pick one of the three, you pick the one who has the most elements of both (and excels past both in creativity anyway) and pick Sneijder.
 
AdZzUtd said:
I can't help but feel Sneijder isn't winning this because people see him as an impossibility.

On footballing terms and actually on what our midfield need Sneijder should be top of that poll, otherwise, adding a creative player is all good and well, but we need abit of a midfield general. Or one of a creative player and a box-to-box player, ala de Rossi or Schweinsteiger.

Common sense dictates because you can only pick one of the three, you pick the one who has the most elements of both (and excels past both in creativity anyway) and pick Sneijder.
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Yep, spot on.
 
AdZzUtd said:
I can't help but feel Sneijder isn't winning this because people see him as an impossibility.
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Nonsense. The vast majority won't vote against him just because they think he'd be harder to get than the other 2. He's not really any more of an unrealistic target than Modric, who's winning.
 
AdZzUtd said:
I can't help but feel Sneijder isn't winning this because people see him as an impossibility.

On footballing terms and actually on what our midfield need Sneijder should be top of that poll, otherwise, adding a creative player is all good and well, but we need abit of a midfield general. Or one of a creative player and a box-to-box player, ala de Rossi or Schweinsteiger.

Common sense dictates because you can only pick one of the three, you pick the one who has the most elements of both (and excels past both in creativity anyway) and pick Sneijder.
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He is the most creative that's true but he's not that much more creative to make up for his deficiencies in the more defensive aspects compared to Modric in particular, who is far and away the closest to being box to box. That's even ignoring that Sneider is injury prone and plays the same role as another player already at our disposal.
 
Just looking at midfield threes, which are vital in most of the big games nowadays unless we play Giggs who is a wizard of magic.

Carrick - Fletcher
----Modric------

- Decent creativity from Modric, who is prone to fanny abit, is quite dramatically hyped - he's fecking good no doubt, but c'mon, in excess of 30 million for Luka Modric (Presumably?) - this midfield is still one which can in effect go missing. Remember, the big questions still persist about C and F.

Carrick - Fletcher
-----Nasri-------

- As exciting as Nasri is - with a potential for a fantastic price, he'd be a great addition no doubt, I'm all for signing him, but if you gave me the choice of him or Sneijder. I'd go with the dutchman. This midfield is bullyable, this midfield could be got at.

Carrick - Fletcher
-----Sneidjer----

- With Sneijder providing the creativity and ball possession in the final third we would have a player who is only matched by Xavi and Iniesta. This type of quality and Sneijder's track record indicates our midfield would be MUCH less likely to get bossed around, Carrick in times of filling his underwear due to pressure, can find Wesley who is quite simply, World Class. Perhaps the finest player in his AM role. Sub Fletcher or Carrick out and we can have a fecking good 4-4-2 system too, for more of an attacking or home game.

Ideally, Sneijder is the only players out of the three who would negate our need to buy two midfielders, which I believe we do. And I don't mean Sneijder and Modric, or Nasri. I mean Sneijder or Nasri etc alongside someone like who is a genuine box-to-box player. Perhaps Banega, or M'Vila. Or Hargreaves from four years ago. Buying Sneijder would be more expensive, perhaps (Modric is more unfeasible imho) but we could take the gamble on Fletch and Carrick remembering they have a pair of bollocks and Fletcher getting back to his superb form. Which is my final point.

Fletcher and Carrick back in form with Sneijder infront of them would be sensational. And in saying this, so too to lessering degrees would the other two creative players in this poll.
 
Adzz you do know Rooney is a better player than Sneijder and basically played the same role you're going on about there in the latter part of the last season right?

Just wanted to clarify that.
 
phelans shorts said:
He is the most creative that's true but he's not that much more creative to make up for his deficiencies in the more defensive aspects compared to Modric in particular, who is far and away the closest to being box to box. That's even ignoring that Sneider is injury prone and plays the same role as another player already at our disposal.
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Sneijder is more box to box than Modric. How is Sneijder injury prone? He recently played a huge amount of games in a tremendous season in which he played in most major competitions in world football, serie A, the CL and the World Cup. He only lost the WC because of Robben.
 
cina said:
Adzz you do know Rooney is a better player than Sneijder and basically played the same role you're going on about there in the latter part of the last season right?

Just wanted to clarify that.
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Indeed, if anything Sneijder would be worse than Rooney in big games as he wouldn't track anyone.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Sneijder is more box to box than Modric. How is Sneijder injury prone? He recently played a huge amount of games in a tremendous season in which he played in most major competitions in world football, serie A, the CL and the World Cup. He only lost the WC because of Robben.
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Pogue posted the numbers not long ago, he played less games than the other two pretty much every season, add into that this season he has spent large periods playing uselessly whilst struggling with his anaemia, which is a big issue for whether or not it would come back and effect him again.

Sneijder has zero defensive responsibilities, there is a reason for that, hence he isn't box to box.
 
cina said:
Adzz you do know Rooney is a better player than Sneijder and basically played the same role you're going on about there in the latter part of the last season right?

Just wanted to clarify that.
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Hold on, I'm talking about 4-3-3 where Wayne Rooney is not the answer to our midfield problem. Rolling with the top teams in the league and the CL, Rooney goes up top with three midfielders behind him, for my money. If you're talking about 4-2-2, Sneijder is still the obvious choice, especially above Nasri.

Carrick and Nasri in a midfield 2 is asking to be bummed.

If we want to use Rooney as a Sneijder, I'm all for it, as long as we don't buy any sort of creative midfielder and instead buy someone defensive minded who won't be bullied.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Hold on, I'm talking about 4-3-3 where Wayne Rooney is not the answer to our midfield problem. Rolling with the top teams in the league and the CL, Rooney goes up top with three midfielders behind him, for my money. If you're talking about 4-2-2, Sneijder is still the obvious choice, especially above Nasri.

Carrick and Nasri in a midfield 2 is asking to be bummed.

If we want to use Rooney as a Sneijder, I'm all for it, as long as we don't buy any sort of creative midfielder and instead buy someone defensive minded who won't be bullied.
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Well that's the point though isn't it? We were using Rooney in that role last year so ... how would buying Sneijder make any difference seeing as Rooney is a better player? We'd still need that defensive minded player who won't be bullied.

Or go along with your logic of Fletcher and Carrick behind Rooney too, surely that wouldn't be any less 'sensational' ?

All you seem to really be arguing here is that Sneijder would be better than Modric or Nasri in a 4-4-2 and fair enough if that's your opinion but most on this thread certainly don't share it.

oh and to add, Rooney up top in a 4-3-3 is just wasting him, seeing as Hernandez plays so well ahead of him.
 
Confused between Modric and Nasri. I think Sneijder is/has been the best player of that lot over the years by quite a bit but I'm not sure he'll make the transition to English football very quickly.

I'm inclined to go with Modric because he controls the game much more than Nasri, which is what we need. Regarding Nasri, how good is his passing? He's got great technique and ability in tight spaces and has the ability to get goals, but his passing has never stood out for me.
 
And they serve different purposes really. Modric would help in controlling games and running the show. Nasri is more of an attacker. He'll pick up the ball and run with it, link up and set up a goal or score one. I reckon we need the former more than the latter.
 
cina said:
Well that's the point though isn't it? We were using Rooney in that role last year so ... how would buying Sneijder make any difference seeing as Rooney is a better player? We'd still need that defensive minded player who won't be bullied.

Or go along with your logic of Fletcher and Carrick behind Rooney too, surely that wouldn't be any less 'sensational' ?

All you seem to really be arguing here is that Sneijder would be better than Modric or Nasri in a 4-4-2 and fair enough if that's your opinion but most on this thread certainly don't share it.

oh and to add, Rooney up top in a 4-3-3 is just wasting him, seeing as Hernandez plays so well ahead of him.
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Because in my opinion in the big games a midfield with Sneijder at the front of a three with Rooney ahead of him (a position where he scored the most goals for United in a season) would be far and away our best team capable of winning the PL and the CL. Hernandez is a fantastic player and there are many games where he could start, but there were a few I thought he shouldn't have started and we should have packed the midfield. But not with Wayne Rooney.

If you think Modric or Nasri in a 4-4-2 would be better than Sneijder that's also ok but I'm not sure how you're speaking for everyone in that assesment, I'm sure many would suddenly reconsider with the prospect of Nasri in a midfield 2 opposed to Sneijder, so how you're privy to everyones imagined midfield formation regardless of who they picked is beyond me. This paragraph directly relates to the part of your post I bolded.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Because in my opinion in the big games a midfield with Sneijder at the front of a three with Rooney ahead of him (a position where he scored the most goals for United in a season) would be far and away our best team capable of winning the PL and the CL. Hernandez is a fantastic player and there are many games where he could start, but there were a few I thought he shouldn't have started and we should have packed the midfield. But not with Wayne Rooney.

If you think Modric or Nasri in a 4-4-2 would be better than Sneijder that's also ok but I'm not sure how you're speaking for everyone in that assesment, I'm sure many would suddenly reconsider with the prospect of Nasri in a midfield 2 opposed to Sneijder, so how you're privy to everyones imagined midfield formation regardless of who they picked is beyond me. This paragraph directly relates to the part of your post I bolded.
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I don't understand the bolded part really. I don't think Sneijder offers any more in that aspect than Rooney because they'd pretty much play the same role.

I wasn't speaking for everyone, but they've both got higher votes so that counts for something surely.

Anyway, I had this debate a few pages back already so it's pointless to sway back and forth because it always leads back to the 4-4-2 by the end. It's personal preference at the end of the day really.
 
There is also a difference between a glorified 4-4-2 with Rooney roaming deeper and an actual 4-3-3 where Rooney would play at the tip of a triange. Midfield responsibilities, for one. Not doing a Rooney and roaming to far forward leaving the other two midfielders with no bridge between midfield and attack.

The 4-3-3 is where Sneijder operates as a midfielder, not a second striker dropping back to help out.
 
cina said:
I don't understand the bolded part really. I don't think Sneijder offers any more in that aspect than Rooney because they'd pretty much play the same role.

I wasn't speaking for everyone, but they've both got higher votes so that counts for something surely.

Anyway, I had this debate a few pages back already so it's pointless to sway back and forth because it always leads back to the 4-4-2 by the end. It's personal preference at the end of the day really.
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I just don't agree it's the same role, really. It might appear so but it's a deficiency in our midfield that Rooney has to drop back into that area to bridge the gap. Sneijder would do that and allow Rooney to rest alittle off the ball.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Modric is the perfect fit. He's basically the Scholes of the last 3 seasons.
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i was thinking the same..modric is a player who can control the game for us..

nasri would be the one who can get us the goals, as well as using his ability on the ball to win us matches..

sneijder is without question a world class player, but with no history of playing in england, and the fact that he is the similar-est to rooney amongst the 3, attacking wise i mean, he could be the least we needed at this moment. not saying that i would not welcome him though, i would be extremely happy to have sneidjer here. to have rooney and sneidjer in the same team is definitely :drool:.

i really hope we will get 2 of these 3 players...
 
AdZzUtd said:
There is also a difference between a glorified 4-4-2 with Rooney roaming deeper and an actual 4-3-3 where Rooney would play at the tip of a triange. Midfield responsibilities, for one. Not doing a Rooney and roaming to far forward leaving the other two midfielders with no bridge between midfield and attack.

The 4-3-3 is where Sneijder operates as a midfielder, not a second striker dropping back to help out.
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But Sneijder plays the exact same role as Rooney was playing last season when he's in a 4-3-3...

We're going in circles here, this is kinda pointless.
 
AdZzUtd said:
There is also a difference between a glorified 4-4-2 with Rooney roaming deeper and an actual 4-3-3 where Rooney would play at the tip of a triange. Midfield responsibilities, for one. Not doing a Rooney and roaming to far forward leaving the other two midfielders with no bridge between midfield and attack.

The 4-3-3 is where Sneijder operates as a midfielder, not a second striker dropping back to help out.
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AdZzUtd said:
Because in my opinion in the big games a midfield with Sneijder at the front of a three with Rooney ahead of him (a position where he scored the most goals for United in a season) would be far and away our best team capable of winning the PL and the CL. Hernandez is a fantastic player and there are many games where he could start, but there were a few I thought he shouldn't have started and we should have packed the midfield. But not with Wayne Rooney.

If you think Modric or Nasri in a 4-4-2 would be better than Sneijder that's also ok but I'm not sure how you're speaking for everyone in that assesment, I'm sure many would suddenly reconsider with the prospect of Nasri in a midfield 2 opposed to Sneijder, so how you're privy to everyones imagined midfield formation regardless of who they picked is beyond me. This paragraph directly relates to the part of your post I bolded.
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AdZzUtd said:
There is also a difference between a glorified 4-4-2 with Rooney roaming deeper and an actual 4-3-3 where Rooney would play at the tip of a triange. Midfield responsibilities, for one. Not doing a Rooney and roaming to far forward leaving the other two midfielders with no bridge between midfield and attack.

The 4-3-3 is where Sneijder operates as a midfielder, not a second striker dropping back to help out.
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You're working off the assumption Sneijder is an actual midfielder, the only difference between Roomey in the hole and Sneijder in the role is that Sneijder began his career as a "midfielder" (read winger) and Rooney started as a "Striker", theoretically that makes Sneijder better for the role but the game isn't played on paper, look at Gerrard, Rooney offer more defensively than him for instance as shown at the start of this season when Gerrard played deeper, at least Rooney chases and can do some defending when deep!

Basically Sneijder is an upgrade on the current Gerrard going forward and similar defensively, while Rooney is better defensively than both and similar attacking wise to Sneijder.
 
phelans shorts said:
You're working off the assumption Sneijder is an actual midfielder, the only difference between Roomey in the hole and Sneijder in the role is that Sneijder began his career as a "midfielder" (read winger) and Rooney started as a "Striker", theoretically that makes Sneijder better for the role but the game isn't played on paper, look at Gerrard, Rooney offer more defensively than him for instance as shown at the start of this season when Gerrard played deeper, at least Rooney chases and can do some defending when deep!

Basically Sneijder is an upgrade on the current Gerrard going forward and similar defensively, while Rooney is better defensively than both and similar attacking wise to Sneijder.
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This is so, so flawed, Rooney isn't better defensively than either Gerrard or Sneijder. Sneijder can dictate a game and it's tempo, Gerrard can dominate a midfield. They're both midfielders who at points in their career were considered amongst the very best (Sneijder still is) in their particular role.

If you watch Sneijder play, he's not so much dropping back as already patrolling the centre of the park, getting on the ball moving through the central midfield and splaying the passes about. Rooney is moving around the box and dropping towards the centre circle - occasionally, granted he does some fantastic defensive work which drags him completely out of position.

Sneijder in this sense is both more positionally disciplined and suited to the role, the role of a midfielder, who roams the midfield, bursts foward and drops back to midfield. Not that of Rooney's no.10 role which is that of a second striker, who doesn't roam the midfield as occasionally pull back, because of deficiences he sees, which takes a valuable asset away from our forward line. Primarily the assest of a Rooney who has shown he can bag 30 goals a season when left to torment the defense. Not hoping his qualities on the ball can combat a midfield.

And, essentially, he only pulls back because there isn't a sneijder there. Or when for example Scholes played, Rooney didn't do it half as much because Scholes had the passing range and midfield tied up, only because he would tire would see you Rooney drop back.

Rooney dropping back to midfield is desperate in my book. Regardless of how good Hernandez is.
 
Nasri and Sneijder are both best in exactly the position that Rooney is looking great in. Besides, Young, Giggs and Park can all play there with varying efectiveness as well.

Modric would be great in a two man midfield alongside Fletcher or Carrick. He'd also work in a three man midfield with Anderson or Giggs thrown in. He's probably the best 'known quantity' we could go for.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Sneijder is more box to box than Modric. How is Sneijder injury prone? He recently played a huge amount of games in a tremendous season in which he played in most major competitions in world football, serie A, the CL and the World Cup. He only lost the WC because of Robben.
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Who do you think he showed this for? For Inter he often played ahead of Zanetti, Motta and Cambiasso in a 4312, or in a 4213 ahead of Cambiasso and Motta. That's at least two energetic holding midfielders behind him for the vast majority of his time there. For Hollans at the World Cup he had Van Bommel and De Jong behind him, one pure defensive midfielder and a tough-tackling holding midfielder, playing in a 4231. For Madrid he played in a 2 in a 4231 or on the wing, and he was the player subbed off more than any other Madrid player in his time there (which surely suggests something about his ability to go box-to-box for 90 mins) and looked defensively liable.

Modric on the other hand has played in a straight 442 for the vast majority of the last 15 months alongside Huddlestone - someone less defensively capable than Carrick - mainly, at times alongside Sandro or Palacios. To me someone playing in a 2 man midfield gets through a lot more work than someone in the hole in the 4231 - as can be seen by the huge difference in distance covered for Giggs in 'cm' and 'am' - and thus is more box to box.
 
I very much doubt we'll get any of the 3 listed. Or a German equivalent

I reckon Fergie is scouring the cafe everyday, and will sneak in a top midfielder, who's been least mentioned on here..... just to wind us up. Then turn him into the best player that's ever lived

you heard it here first :smirk:
 
If it purely based on footballing and their playmaking skills, then I would pick Sneidjer but if it is down to money, then Nasri because he would be the cheapest.

Sneidjer
Modric
Nasri
 
Brwned said:
To me someone playing in a 2 man midfield gets through a lot more work than someone in the hole in the 4231 - as can be seen by the huge difference in distance covered for Giggs in 'cm' and 'am' - and thus is more box to box.
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In a 4231 the AMs are generally deployed more like forwards than midfielders. Hence both Sneijder and Nasri are more suited to advanced positions, Modric is a proper CM, which is what you need.
 
What is it with this obsession with transfer fees?

Muppets on here picking one player over another because hes cheaper is really starting to get on my tits.
 
I've voted for modric.
He's a great player and one who I think would be the best option for United.

But I don't think United will sign any of them.
Modric will probably go to Chelsea. Sneijder will prob stay put at inter and as for nasri, I just can't see arsenal letting him join United this summer unless the player really wants to play for united, something which his history with arsenal might stop him doing.
 
I've become a Nasri muppet recently. Dont really know why though or without seeing much of him
 
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