Well Broner is obviously going to have a larger profile because boxing is a much bigger sport. I'm not trying to say MMA is bigger than boxing. If I had to say the single biggest young star in the UFC at the moment is Rory Macdonald, he's only 23 and is an absolute phenom. Jon Jones is only 25 aswell, and he's already arguably the #2 p4p on the planet already.
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Well Broner is obviously going to have a larger profile because boxing is a much bigger sport. I'm not trying to say MMA is bigger than boxing. If I had to say the single biggest young star in the UFC at the moment is Rory Macdonald, he's only 23 and is an absolute phenom. Jon Jones is only 25 aswell, and he's already arguably the #2 p4p on the planet already.
Rory is a phenom for sure, but he's completely devoid of any personality. Apart from the psycho killer thing which is pretty cool.
This is completely wrong though. MMA has went from strength to strength, it's more popular now than it ever has been. I'm not sure in what since you can say it's waned.
I know you didn't, I was just posting my credentials just so you didn't think I was talking out of my arse similarly to you.
The example you gave is different but in the same breath if you only watch the Prem, CL & La Liga I wouldn't expect you to make a sweeping judgement on all of football and the same can be said for boxing.
If you only watch top level boxing you may not know about boxing's rising talent.
Gary Russell Jr that fought last night is a brilliant boxer super fast hands, decent power too.
Frankie Gomez (messed himself up but getting back on track after losing his way)
Jose Benavidez (was sparring with and holding his own with Pac at 17)
Mikey Garcia is already a champ but is only 24
Billie Jo Saunders over here is the leader of trio of exciting young middleweights including Ryder & Eubanks Jr
Then there is Quigg, Frampton, Groves, Degale, Lomachenko will likely drop bodies when he finally turns fully pro (1 loss in over 300 amateur fights avenged it)
Yep, Broner is certainly a charismatic guy (he needs to cut out the ring entrance shit though) whereas most MMA guys seem boderline autistic or don't speak English.
Only Sonnen has the gift of the gab but sadly he can't really back it up in the ring.
But is it not indicative of the way boxing is going, that you have to be practically a boxing nut to know of most of those lads? Apart from the Irish and British lads you mentioned, I hadn't seen any of them fight.
That's a bit unfair, losing to Anderson Silva doesn't really make him a bum
Oh ok then, people are mentioning the names of people that aren't as big as broner and saying MMA isn't as big as boxing but at the same time saying boxing is dying and devoid of young up and coming talent.
It doesn't add up for me.
It doesn't add up for me.
That's sort of true, I guess!
Although Chuck was an accountant, Franklin was a maths teacher, Rashad has a degree in pyschology and that's just off the top of my head. I read at one point something like 60% of the fighters had a degree. Maybe that's the problem though, a lot of them are too respectful or intelligent to act like an utter twat.
Of course he's not a bum but if he was a world champ he'd be a megastar. He's just not quite good enough/unfortunate that he's in the same weight division as Silva, who can more or less fight like Neo from the Matrix.
Garcia holds a title, is the younger brother of Robert Garcia who trains Donaire, Maidana etc
Russell Jr has a reasonable profile and is spoken of in the same class as Broner whilst Gomez and Benavidez are slightly less known they were the two hottest prospects in the states after battling it out in the Golden Gloves. Golden Boy & Top Rank battled tooth and nail to sign them.
I'd say someone that isn't a casual fan would at least know of Garcia and perhaps Russell Jr, the other two not so much
I just rewatched some big Mayweather fights and I'm sorry but the entertainment value from an Anderson Silva fight just trumps any Mayweather fight.
For example the Mayweather vs. Gatti fight had some nice streak of punches from Money but it wasn't as exciting as watching Anderson Silva put his gaurd down and dance through strikes from Forrest griffin/Rich Franklin and then lay the sucker punch.
Has Mayweather ever done that? Confident enough to completely put his gaurd down and use his movement to just tease the opponent and then finish him off?
Anderson Silva is the finest example of Bruce Lee's water theory.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
For example the Mayweather vs. Gatti fight had some nice streak of punches from Money but it wasn't as exciting as watching Anderson Silva put his gaurd down and dance through strikes from Forrest griffin/Rich Franklin and then lay the sucker punch.
Has Mayweather ever done that? Confident enough to completely put his gaurd down and use his movement to just tease the opponent and then finish him off?
Anderson Silva is the finest example of Bruce Lee's water theory.
Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.
You may find Sweet Pea entertaining too if you like Silva
I love this
Jack Slack writes great articles on striking, breaking it all down.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/24/3547786/anderson-silva-and-the-art-of-rolling-with-punches
Jack Slack writes great articles on striking, breaking it all down.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/24/3547786/anderson-silva-and-the-art-of-rolling-with-punches
It is a shame that when you look at those 90's American fighters that you can't be convinced that they were clean. Roy Jones, James Toney and Shane Mosley were three who were caught or proven to be dopers. I am convinced that doping was pervasive in American boxing in that era.
As for somebody calling Mayweather boring: when exactly was he supposed to be an exciting fighter?
Personally I am quite excited about Lucas Matthysse and Gennady Golovkin, Golovkin is on the cusp of the big time without question. There are not many top fighters who want a piece of him. Matthysse has been unlucky in some big fights with decisions, but I am convinced that he will have a big win soon.
As for somebody calling Mayweather boring: when exactly was he supposed to be an exciting fighter?
Personally I am quite excited about Lucas Matthysse and Gennady Golovkin, Golovkin is on the cusp of the big time without question. There are not many top fighters who want a piece of him. Matthysse has been unlucky in some big fights with decisions, but I am convinced that he will have a big win soon.
Nothing gets me excited as much as a top boxing fight (at least in the build up) like Haye vs. Klitschko or Mayweather vs. Hatton. The MMA guys seem to respect each other too much, there needs to be fiercer rivalries and smack talk before it gets the attention it deserves. Boxing has built on the media platform and has therefore garnered a big following, I'm hoping MMA can do the same, a start would be for the sport to show events on terrestrial TV.
I love MMA because UFC (the main organization for the sport in terms of commercial) is run by one man which can make sure the best fights will always take place. Boxing is ruined by promoters and all that jazz that gives the fighters too much power with regards to who they fight. It's criminal that we have never seen and will probably never see Pac Man fight Money Mayweather.
I love MMA because UFC (the main organization for the sport in terms of commercial) is run by one man which can make sure the best fights will always take place. Boxing is ruined by promoters and all that jazz that gives the fighters too much power with regards to who they fight. It's criminal that we have never seen and will probably never see Pac Man fight Money Mayweather.
I love this
Jack Slack writes great articles on striking, breaking it all down.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/24/3547786/anderson-silva-and-the-art-of-rolling-with-punches
Really good read that. Has got me interested in the style a lot more. I am going to try a lot more of in sparring tomorrow. I blame you if I come back smashed up!
Ehhh? There's always some genuine rivalries - Brock - Mir, Penn - GSP, Rampage - Silva and so on. And there are fake rivalries which involve all of Sonnen's fights. And there are respectable fighters like Machida - Weidman. I would rather see genuine hatred or respect instead of some WWE style gimmick.
Frank Mir stated that he genuinely would hope that Brock Lesnar dies in the Octogon. And this was after his fights.
I find it incredibly cringe worthy when fighters do all that build-up and then kiss and tell post fight. Rather stick to your true self. Its a sport not entertainment.
Imagine having pre-match smack talk in football.
Imagine having pre-match smack talk in football.
The point I was making is that general public wants to see rivalries and smack talk pre-fight, it builds hype (regardless if it's conjured up or not). Boxing know this and it's why it gains so much public attention before big fights.
MMA, easily.
Boxing. MMA is really good, but I've just always been more into boxing.