Mino Raiola coming out again with Pogba and why I don't care

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tenpoless said:
They are secretly hoping for us to get knocked out of CL after Pogba scored a good goal in the previous match.

Jose was wrong on many things but calling Pogba a 'virus' is not one.
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To be fair though. It is kinda a virus. Pogba is one of the most influential player in the dressing room, the youth players & inside the club because he was graduated from our academy, been here for years longer than Maguire & Bruno and lot of players like him including the academy players. And when your most influential player in the club right now is creating this madness is not good thing but virus. Pogba has the power and that's why he's not afraid to do whatever he wants or the agent wants to do.

If it's Di Maria or Donny or Cavani, no one in the club give a feck (not as much as Pogba's case) because they haven't build a strong relationship in the club. They aren't our most influential player.
 
Sir Alex once said he wouldn't sell Real Madrid a virus.

Now a vaccine as started rolling out with a virus we've all had to deal with year (Covid), i say soon as the new year starts, lets sell Real Madrid a virus that Manchester United have had for the last 4 years that there's no vaccine for (Paul Pogba), buy one get one free (Pogba and his agent).
 
Brophs said:
Playing like warmed up horse piss for a couple
of years is a form of expression, tbf.
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The only expression I want from Pogba is one of apology to the fans he has let down and treated with contempt over the years...but I wont hold my breath.
 
Pogba has loads of ability nobody would dispute that but he's not and never will be the legend he could have been. Someone like Bobby Charlton, George, Denis Law, Bryan Robson, Roy Keane, Scholes, Giggs, etc etc.
 
We need to follow SAF on Raiola. He and all his clients are personae non garatae.
I don't care about the name and skill of the player. Raoila isn't an agent we can relate to.
 
Pogba can be a great player if he wants, he doesn't want to be here as such obviously. Get rid in Jan for what we can get(id be happy with 50m +), replace him with what we need and hope it galvanises the team into a title challenge from Jan. His value to other clubs could be more than us, but we won't ever get a good fee for him
 
Need to narrow in on a replacement before letting him go in Jan. I like Grealish. Seems like a United player.
 
The Brown Bull said:
Pogba has loads of ability nobody would dispute that but he's not and never will be the legend he could have been. Someone like Bobby Charlton, George, Denis Law, Bryan Robson, Roy Keane, Scholes, Giggs, etc etc.
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Ability wise yes Pogba is up there with these players, but he never had their desire and passion for the club and its fans and the attitude to make a lasting, telling impact. Denis Law et al were the real thing...Pogba is a poseur.
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MZX7 said:
Need to narrow in on a replacement before letting him go in Jan. I like Grealish. Seems like a United player.
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Why? Before Pogba returned towrads the end of last season we were doing fine without him, in fact our performaces dropped when he came back into the team and a likely 2nd place finish became a scramble to secure 4th, though of course we did finish 3rd in the end. I too like Grealish, unlike Pogba he seems to be more interested in playing than posing.
 
MZX7 said:
Need to narrow in on a replacement before letting him go in Jan. I like Grealish. Seems like a United player.
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To play where though? He plays Bruno's or Rashford's position. We bought Donny to cover Bruno and Rashford's position already is well covered. Shame as I like Grealish but Villa staying up ruled that transfer out.

I think we need a proper defensive midfielder who can make forward passes and protect the back four.
 
cyberman said:
Agents fees are capped next summer..
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That's why he is pushing for a move this winter then. Let him go, as good as we know he can be it doesn't work if his heart isnt in it. Get the money and get a DM in because having Bruno and VDB has seriously lessened his importance to us.

We should have sold him last summer.
 
Raiola can run his mouth and say Pogba wants/needs to go all he wants but next summer a club still needs to buy him and apart from the premier league football is pretty much broke.
Is a club going to offer 50 million-plus and massive wages for a player who is coming into his late 20's and is beyond inconsistent when money is scarce? That is far from a certainty.

Personally, I still think Woodward is going to get paranoid about Pogba leaving for free and offer an insane contract to stop him from leaving Pogba signs as he realises he isn't going to get a better offer. They all pretend that its a new start and Pogba never really wanted leave blah blah. Then within a few months, the cracks show and soon we have a Sanchez/Ozil situation on hands.
 
MalcolmTucker said:
To play where though? He plays Bruno's or Rashford's position. We bought Donny to cover Bruno and Rashford's position already is well covered. Shame as I like Grealish but Villa staying up ruled that transfer out.

I think we need a proper defensive midfielder who can make forward passes and protect the back four.
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This. We need someone who can play the DLP role next to Fred/McT in the midfield 2. Because Pogba doesn't play as a #10 or a LW for us, and that is where Grealish is at his best. We don't need another 80M+ midfielder who we will play in a position not natural to him(RW or CM).
 
MalcolmTucker said:
To play where though? He plays Bruno's or Rashford's position. We bought Donny to cover Bruno and Rashford's position already is well covered. Shame as I like Grealish but Villa staying up ruled that transfer out.

I think we need a proper defensive midfielder who can make forward passes and protect the back four.
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Yeah that is exactly what he need but are we able to get them in January
 
Highfather_24 said:
This. We need someone who can play the DLP role next to Fred/McT in the midfield 2. Because Pogba doesn't play as a #10 or a LW for us, and that is where Grealish is at his best. We don't need another 80M+ midfielder who we will play in a position not natural to him(RW or CM).
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Who are you thinking?
 
Nytram Shakes said:
Raiola can run his mouth and say Pogba wants/needs to go all he wants but next summer a club still needs to buy him and apart from the premier league football is pretty much broke.
Is a club going to offer 50 million-plus and massive wages for a player who is coming into his late 20's and is beyond inconsistent when money is scarce? That is far from a certainty.

Personally, I still think Woodward is going to get paranoid about Pogba leaving for free and offer an insane contract to stop him from leaving Pogba signs as he realises he isn't going to get a better offer. They all pretend that its a new start and Pogba never really wanted leave blah blah. Then within a few months, the cracks show and soon we have a Sanchez/Ozil situation on hands.
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Let him go for a reduced price then. #1 priority should be to get him out the club, I’ll pop open a bottle of bubbly once him and his scumbag agent are gone and this circus can be someone else’s problem.
 
This Raiola parasite has put Pogba in an untenable position. No matter what Pogba says now, his agent has finally sunk him. What must the United players be thinking now? . OGS must drop him and sell him in January. SAF wouldn’t take any shit from either player or agent which is why Pogba left in the first place. If he stays and plays out of his skin, which is unlikely, he should still go. One bad apple in the barrel.
 
Dve said:
You are very much overrating the power of agents. Railoa is hired by Haaland, not the other way around. Haaland can sack him any day.
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I think you may be under rating the power Raiola has. When Pogba left Juve he made it clear he wanted Madrid. Everything seemed to point to that direction until Raiola introduced his agent fees and Florentino told him to sling his hook. We were the only club willing to pay his fees which is why Pogba came back in the first place. Not because he loved United

De Ligt the same. Barca and Ajax reached an agreement until Raiola wanted 20% of the transfer fees and was once again told to sling his hook. There was definate interest from the 2 respective clubs because Raiola insulted them both.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
Raiola can run his mouth and say Pogba wants/needs to go all he wants but next summer a club still needs to buy him and apart from the premier league football is pretty much broke.
Is a club going to offer 50 million-plus and massive wages for a player who is coming into his late 20's and is beyond inconsistent when money is scarce? That is far from a certainty.

Personally, I still think Woodward is going to get paranoid about Pogba leaving for free and offer an insane contract to stop him from leaving Pogba signs as he realises he isn't going to get a better offer. They all pretend that its a new start and Pogba never really wanted leave blah blah. Then within a few months, the cracks show and soon we have a Sanchez/Ozil situation on hands.
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would we be happy if he went to City or Chelsea? They at least would have the money.

will be very difficult to sell him in January. Like you say, very few clubs have the money.
 
Offsideagain said:
This Raiola parasite has put Pogba in an untenable position. No matter what Pogba says now, his agent has finally sunk him. What must the United players be thinking now? . OGS must drop him and sell him in January. SAF wouldn’t take any shit from either player or agent which is why Pogba left in the first place. If he stays and plays out of his skin, which is unlikely, he should still go. One bad apple in the barrel.
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You're naive if you think that Raiola's words aren't with Pogba's blessing.
 
Mino Raiola is a purebred dipshit! He should be ashamed for trying to push ill will towards us on the eve of our biggest game.
Pogba should shut this down now. I pity for him if we lose today!
 
A couple of the Sky pundits pretty much summed it up. Most overrated player they've ever seen. I would also go along with that.
 
Acole9 said:
A couple of the Sky pundits pretty much summed it up. Most overrated player they've ever seen. I would also go along with that.
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I agree as well. He is a fantastic complimentary player. He can provide glimpses of greatness but his inconsistency is his Achilles heel. That and his work ethic.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
would we be happy if he went to City or Chelsea? They at least would have the money.

will be very difficult to sell him in January. Like you say, very few clubs have the money.
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Finding his replacement will be equally difficult and even more costly.

I can't see anything happening in January unless we get an outrageous bid for him, which is less than likely in a COVID market.
 
Random Task said:
Finding his replacement will be equally difficult and even more costly.

I can't see anything happening in January unless we get an outrageous bid for him, which is less than likely in a COVID market.
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Would love to get a proper CDM & fast CB with the money but can't see him fetching a fee big enough right now
 
Random Task said:
Finding his replacement will be equally difficult and even more costly.

I can't see anything happening in January unless we get an outrageous bid for him, which is less than likely in a COVID market.
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If we were talking about a player in a fixed position I would agree with you but what was/is Pogbas fixed position? He's been tried as a 6, 8 and 10 and he didn't excel for any length of time in any of them. I don't think it's going to be that difficult to replace him especially now we've been churning along nicely without him a lot of the time. It will be one less headache for Ole trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
If we were talking about a player in a fixed position I would agree with you but what was/is Pogbas fixed position? He's been tried as a 6, 8 and 10 and he didn't excel for any length of time in any of them. I don't think it's going to be that difficult to replace him especially now we've been churning along nicely without him a lot of the time. It will be one less headache for Ole trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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I think Pogba fancies himself as a box-to-box midfielder which is quite a rarity today, so it'll be near-impossible to find a like for like replacement. Honestly, I feel any central mid with a remotely decent reputation will be an upgrade on Pogba right now.

Grealish can play central and attacking mid so he's a good option. The only drawback is that he'll cost a bomb in January.
 
We are not powerless in this scenario. The club needs to go to Raiola and say "We want £75m for him. You are his agent and have been drumming up interest, so make it happen."

If we get an offer in line with our demands then great, ship him off.

If we dont get a reasonable offer however, we have various options. My option is to send him home on gardening leave, and leave him there for the next 18 months until his contract runs out. He and his agent need to be made an example of. We need to show the world that Manchester United will not be messed about and screwed over by greedy players or cretinous agents. It is a reputational thing.

From Pogba's point of view, what does he probably want more than anything? To play for France in the 2022 World Cup. If we let him rot at home (not even in the reserves) for 18 months, it massively jeopardizes his chances of being picked for France - especially with the talent they have coming through. Pogba will be 29 when the WC comes around, and so it is probably his last chance to play for France at his top level.

Lets be clear - we wouldnt be doing this out of spite, we would be doing it because frankly he is a bad influence around the club and a disruptive member of the dressing room. We would also be doing it to make a statement that greedy agents and disruptive players will not be tolerated. Maybe if he sacks his agent and signs a new contract (probably with a slight pay cut) then he can be given another chance, but his ego definitely needs to be checked right now.

It may cost us a few quid, but what are the alternatives? That we accept a lowball offer? Hell no. Not only does that hand the victory to Pogba/Raiola, but it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent and shows the club to be weak. We will just continue to be taken advantage of this way until we draw a line and say "No."


Again - the club holds power here. Letting Pogba rot at home would send a very powerful statement and frankly, pretty much the entire footballing world right now appears to have come out on our side. I havent seen anyone giving much sympathy to Poor Paul Pogba. If Pogba and his loud mouthed agent are so desperate for him to get a move in January, then they can sort out a reasonable fee for us and everyone is happy. Otherwise, make an example out of them.
 
Sell him to PSG, today. Just agree to a deal now. He'd be perfect for that weak league where can try 7 times a year. I can't believe it has come to this, what an awful saga for the club.
 
Can't help thinking how pathetic Paul Pogba is. His agent is cnut but at least he's honest about being a cnut. Pogba hides behind his owner and let's him do all the talking while he tweets cryptic messages and images on his social media like a teenage girl.

Can't wait until he fecks off. We can't do it, but I wish we let him rot at the club for the remainder of his contract. Not even reserves games, because those reserves deserve their game time more than Pogba does.
 
Didn’t Lindgard have the same agent and recently moved on from him?
this guy is bad for the sport. Agents are scum anyway and this guy is always creating unnecessary crap!
 
Without reading the previous 8 pages, here's my conspiracy theory:

Raiola is trying to force the move sooner, rather than later, by sowing discord into the team as they are about to kick off in a game that can drop them to the Europa League. But Ole will keep Pogba on the bench, we'll win anyway, and Pogba is left with a choice: Fire Raiola or leave. He becomes persona non grata in the clubhouse until something happens.
 
John Blund said:
We need to follow SAF on Raiola. He and all his clients are personae non garatae.
I don't care about the name and skill of the player. Raoila isn't an agent we can relate to.
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Agree. De Ligt or Haaland should be off the table until they change agent. He doesn't have any other good clients does he.
 
Walrus said:
We are not powerless in this scenario. The club needs to go to Raiola and say "We want £75m for him. You are his agent and have been drumming up interest, so make it happen."

If we get an offer in line with our demands then great, ship him off.

If we dont get a reasonable offer however, we have various options. My option is to send him home on gardening leave, and leave him there for the next 18 months until his contract runs out. He and his agent need to be made an example of. We need to show the world that Manchester United will not be messed about and screwed over by greedy players or cretinous agents. It is a reputational thing.

From Pogba's point of view, what does he probably want more than anything? To play for France in the 2022 World Cup. If we let him rot at home (not even in the reserves) for 18 months, it massively jeopardizes his chances of being picked for France - especially with the talent they have coming through. Pogba will be 29 when the WC comes around, and so it is probably his last chance to play for France at his top level.

Lets be clear - we wouldnt be doing this out of spite, we would be doing it because frankly he is a bad influence around the club and a disruptive member of the dressing room. We would also be doing it to make a statement that greedy agents and disruptive players will not be tolerated. Maybe if he sacks his agent and signs a new contract (probably with a slight pay cut) then he can be given another chance, but his ego definitely needs to be checked right now.

It may cost us a few quid, but what are the alternatives? That we accept a lowball offer? Hell no. Not only does that hand the victory to Pogba/Raiola, but it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent and shows the club to be weak. We will just continue to be taken advantage of this way until we draw a line and say "No."


Again - the club holds power here. Letting Pogba rot at home would send a very powerful statement and frankly, pretty much the entire footballing world right now appears to have come out on our side. I havent seen anyone giving much sympathy to Poor Paul Pogba. If Pogba and his loud mouthed agent are so desperate for him to get a move in January, then they can sort out a reasonable fee for us and everyone is happy. Otherwise, make an example out of them.
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Personally I reckon we were planning to sell Pogba in the summer just gone. That's why we signed Bruno. But then Covid happened and no-one had the money to buy him.

The contract talks were purely our attempt to get a good price for him, and we were never going to offer what Raiola wanted lest Pogba price himself out of the move.

Now we'll be desperately scrambling to find a buyer. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he leaves on loan with an obligation to buy in Jan.
 
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