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Agents are just freeloaders, and this one has a mouth as big as his gut.
ThisThe man at the top sets the tone for the whole club. Football is weird in that there are often two, the Chief Exec/chairman and the manager. The entire atmosphere around our club is contentious and toxic and there are only two people who can take the blame for that. Mourinho is leader by exception. Largely interacting to point out the negatives in your performance. Very transactional. Ed I have no idea. Doesn’t speak publicly much.
But whatbthis club needs is some strong transformational leadership to inspire everyone working there to go beyond their limits and be the best of who they are. Ferguson has done seminars on transformational leadership at top Universities. Klopp and Guardiola have all the Hallmarks of transformational leaders.
This club is going nowhere until we have some transformational leadership at both an executive and coaching level. All the rest of this shit is just noise. Peripheral nonsense caused by the uncontrolled, petulant toxic atmosphere prevalent every day.
Players, manager, chairman all briefing against each other through the media and social platforms. It is pathetic and beyond the pale for an institution as grand as Manchester United.
I, for one, am absolutely appalled at the state of our club. It’s a circus in the worst possible way, because the drama isn’t even accompanied with a sense of ruthlessness and demand for the absolute highest standards on the pitch. Unlike say Madrid, where the circus rolls on vacuuming in trophy after trophy.
Pogba doesn't need his agent to speak up, but his agent will do so because he's loyal to the player to the detriment of the club. I see no reason to fault Pogba here. It's not like he told him to speak up. We as a fanbase can't confuse Pogba, with Raiola. It's unrealistic for a player to sack his agent for sticking up for him and for trying to make the player the most amount of money. Yes, he's putting Pogba in a position where fans will criticize him and that sucks for him, but Raiola is creating an us or them situation.
Back Pogba, but criticize Raiola. There should be no division amongst fans and Pogba. That's the best way to counter Raiola as then Pogba won't see Raiola as the only person solely loyal to himself and also it won't create a siege mentality with player and agent.
Raiola runs his agency like a family operation. Hate him all you want but the players under his thumb are all loyal to him as he is to them.
Clubs are a business. Agencies that represent players are a business. Football is a business.
If you are turned off by all this, then don't watch. No one is forcing you to turn on the tv or go to games.
What’s happened with Lukkaku ?
I could forgive you for laughing at England with you being a Scot, but an appreciation thread for this chap? How could you
Was there any significant bid made by another big name club for Lukaku? I guarantee that if there was a demand for the player and the player was intrigued by the potential move, Raiola wouldn't remain silent.
Pogba ... social media presence to be the undisputed star for any team in the world ....
And we thought that Paul Stretford and Jorge mendes were bad,but this guys just in a different league...Agents are just freeloaders, and this one has a mouth as big as his gut.
No, I mean he’s dropped raiola as his agent. Signed for Jay-Z’s company
I'm seeing conflicting reports with AS and Calciomercato saying Roc Nation Sports is his sole agent. Others like Belgian media Nieuwsblad saying Raiola still controls the agent rights and Roc only handling the commercial deals in America.
None of my business why Pogba chose this particular cnut to represent him, but he's a cnut that the club has to deal with - not you or me.
You can still enjoy football by supporting your local amateur (or lower division) side; sure, it's not the big names you're used to, but its still football nonetheless.
I could forgive you for laughing at England with you being a Scot, but an appreciation thread for this chap? How could you
I don’t think either is remotely concerned by what Scholes said, or indeed what he wants, so much as the opportunity to twist his words to suit their needs at this moment in time. Pogba is in the enviable position of having a section of the support being willing to abandon all common sense and believe that Pogba’s agent has gone rogue at least a couple of times in the last six months or so.The troubling thing is that I don't think Raiola or Pogba understand that Scholes just wants Pogba to be the player he was.
Bah, all is forgiven. I love you too much!I have shamed myself
Bah, all is forgiven. I love you too much!
It's not going rogue though. It's common sense that he's going to back Pogba. Him backing Pogba and Pogba not ordering him to say something is possible you know. They're not mutually exclusive. Hell, maybe Pogba liked that Raiola stuck up for him. Who wouldn't want to be backed up?I don’t think either is remotely concerned by what Scholes said, or indeed what he wants, so much as the opportunity to twist his words to suit their needs at this moment in time. Pogba is in the enviable position of having a section of the support being willing to abandon all common sense and believe that Pogba’s agent has gone rogue at least a couple of times in the last six months or so.
When asked by Sale prop Brian Mujati “Why was no one able to acknowledge the undeniable talent that is Paul Pogba,” Ferguson replied: “Paul Pogba? He had a bad agent. A s***bag. Paul Pogba was well known to us. We knew he was a good player. He's still a good player. We offered him the best contract...”
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Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to
Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.
“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”
Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking
That's a very good point but I don't think leadership was the main problem in the game. The same players came back vs City when it seemed certain they were going to beat us. Our main problems on Sunday were tactical and we invited pressure as a team because of that. We've played like that too many times for it to be a leadership problem. Teams built on a fraction of our budget look more well drilled than us.Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to
Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.
“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”
Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking
Why do we have a Raiola appreciation thread in a Manchester United forum?
Especially since there's a Raiola thread in football forum already.
Times have changed.Look at when the thread was created.
Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to
Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.
“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”
Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking
Supported Pogba so far but its gone to far. His agent publicly being sarcastic talking about finding a new club. If he doesnt get sacked then bench Pogba. Matic with Fred and Pereira ahead of him. Sick of it. Sell Pogba in January and buy Savic. Also make up your mind about Jose. Get a DOF asap let him vet new potential managers and at the end of the season sack Jose. No point keeping him here if the club doesn't want to invest in older players. Bring in Jardim someone who fits with the glazers buy young plan and have resale value. The clubs a shambles. This is what happens with investment bankers in charge. Jose leaked a few PSG rumours and we ran to give him a new contract. Acting on instinct. How can someone be so naive. Woodward needs to grow a pair.
Why does Scholes feel the need to constantly slate the team when given oppurtunity. Does he think the players themselves are not introspective? Pogba himself acknowledge a lack of attitude so why tf does he have to here it again from Scholesy. It really plays to our detriment to be having criticism coming in from a legend of the club. When Lampard was in punditry we wouldn't hear him slating Bakayoko or Fabregas when they would play up to scratch...yet we always know Scholes is going to jump to criticize.
The troubling thing is that I don't think Raiola or Pogba understand that Scholes just wants Pogba to be the player he was.
The man at the top sets the tone for the whole club. Football is weird in that there are often two, the Chief Exec/chairman and the manager. The entire atmosphere around our club is contentious and toxic and there are only two people who can take the blame for that. Mourinho is leader by exception. Largely interacting to point out the negatives in your performance. Very transactional. Ed I have no idea. Doesn’t speak publicly much.
But whatbthis club needs is some strong transformational leadership to inspire everyone working there to go beyond their limits and be the best of who they are. Ferguson has done seminars on transformational leadership at top Universities. Klopp and Guardiola have all the Hallmarks of transformational leaders.
This club is going nowhere until we have some transformational leadership at both an executive and coaching level. All the rest of this shit is just noise. Peripheral nonsense caused by the uncontrolled, petulant toxic atmosphere prevalent every day.
Players, manager, chairman all briefing against each other through the media and social platforms. It is pathetic and beyond the pale for an institution as grand as Manchester United.
I, for one, am absolutely appalled at the state of our club. It’s a circus in the worst possible way, because the drama isn’t even accompanied with a sense of ruthlessness and demand for the absolute highest standards on the pitch. Unlike say Madrid, where the circus rolls on vacuuming in trophy after trophy.
Everyone under the leeches at the top of the club is a puppet. Raiola is Pogbas puppet and he takes the heat for Pogba. In the same way Woodward does the same for the glazers. We all know he is there favourite. I mean an investment banker who is pulling in lots of sponsors. Thats why I think we are looking at a DOF. All it will be is another scapegoat. Someone else to throw under the bus rather than the manager. For all their naivety in footballing matters one thing you can count on with the type of people running our club is disengenuous and underhanded tactics.Absolutely spot on. Just one thing... woo woo is acting under owners instructions. Puppet.
Everyone under the leeches at the top of the club is a puppet. Raiola is Pogbas puppet and he takes the heat for Pogba. In the same way Woodward does the same for the glazers. We all know he is there favourite. I mean an investment banker who is pulling in lots of sponsors. Thats why I think we are looking at a DOF. All it will be is another scapegoat. Someone else to throw under the bus rather than the manager. For all their naivety in footballing matters one thing you can count on with the type of people running our club is disengenuous and underhanded tactics.
Why does Scholes feel the need to constantly slate the team when given oppurtunity. Does he think the players themselves are not introspective? Pogba himself acknowledge a lack of attitude so why tf does he have to here it again from Scholesy. It really plays to our detriment to be having criticism coming in from a legend of the club. When Lampard was in punditry we wouldn't hear him slating Bakayoko or Fabregas when they would play up to scratch...yet we always know Scholes is going to jump to criticize.
How did Pogba show disrespect to the club through Raiola's comments? Raiola is Raiola. He is not Pogba. Likewise, Scholes is not United. He is a club legend. You need to learn to differentiate the two.Pogba should show some respect to the club and put his preening and posing to one side until he starts to deliver.
If he had the slightest feelings for his club and the fans he should be reigning his hateful agent in or we can all see what will happen the fans will turn against him .