Mino Raiola Appreciation Thread

The man at the top sets the tone for the whole club. Football is weird in that there are often two, the Chief Exec/chairman and the manager. The entire atmosphere around our club is contentious and toxic and there are only two people who can take the blame for that. Mourinho is leader by exception. Largely interacting to point out the negatives in your performance. Very transactional. Ed I have no idea. Doesn’t speak publicly much.

But whatbthis club needs is some strong transformational leadership to inspire everyone working there to go beyond their limits and be the best of who they are. Ferguson has done seminars on transformational leadership at top Universities. Klopp and Guardiola have all the Hallmarks of transformational leaders.

This club is going nowhere until we have some transformational leadership at both an executive and coaching level. All the rest of this shit is just noise. Peripheral nonsense caused by the uncontrolled, petulant toxic atmosphere prevalent every day.

Players, manager, chairman all briefing against each other through the media and social platforms. It is pathetic and beyond the pale for an institution as grand as Manchester United.

I, for one, am absolutely appalled at the state of our club. It’s a circus in the worst possible way, because the drama isn’t even accompanied with a sense of ruthlessness and demand for the absolute highest standards on the pitch. Unlike say Madrid, where the circus rolls on vacuuming in trophy after trophy.
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Pogba doesn't need his agent to speak up, but his agent will do so because he's loyal to the player to the detriment of the club. I see no reason to fault Pogba here. It's not like he told him to speak up. We as a fanbase can't confuse Pogba, with Raiola. It's unrealistic for a player to sack his agent for sticking up for him and for trying to make the player the most amount of money. Yes, he's putting Pogba in a position where fans will criticize him and that sucks for him, but Raiola is creating an us or them situation.

Back Pogba, but criticize Raiola. There should be no division amongst fans and Pogba. That's the best way to counter Raiola as then Pogba won't see Raiola as the only person solely loyal to himself and also it won't create a siege mentality with player and agent.

I back Pogba 100%

Agents are there to ensure the contract is appropriate, business representation and all the other - off the field stuff to keep Pogba happy. I just don't see the relevance and necessity to discuss footballing matters when he does not need to. The only people who should if appropriately reply is Jose, Pogba himself or a team mate.

Who owns and pays Pogbas wages, Mino or Utd? We don't need this man stirring the pot at a time when it really isn't needed.

Fergie was right about him.

“There are one or two football agents I simply do not like, and Mino Raiola is one of them.”

This is what was said when Pogba returned to Utd.

When asked by Sale prop Brian Mujati “Why was no one able to acknowledge the undeniable talent that is Paul Pogba,” Ferguson replied: “Paul Pogba? He had a bad agent. A s***bag. Paul Pogba was well known to us. We knew he was a good player. He's still a good player. We offered him the best contract...”



Mino was happy to take Pogba away at a time when we were the best team in the Country supposedly stating that he told Pogba not go to Juve because it wasn't a good move for him. Yet when Utd come back for him to break the world transfer and offer him a huge contract on his return when the club aren't doing well it's a good move?

I wonder now with his WC medal under his belt and stock rising. What is Mino's view this time.
 
Raiola runs his agency like a family operation. Hate him all you want but the players under his thumb are all loyal to him as he is to them.

Clubs are a business. Agencies that represent players are a business. Football is a business.

If you are turned off by all this, then don't watch. No one is forcing you to turn on the tv or go to games.

What’s happened with Lukkaku ?
 
What’s happened with Lukkaku ?

Was there any significant bid made by another big name club for Lukaku? I guarantee that if there was a demand for the player and the player was intrigued by the potential move, Raiola wouldn't remain silent.
 
Railoa needs to shut his fecking mouth, and Pogba needs to tell him to shut his fecking mouth. Pogba has said some stupid things recently (can't say what I want or I'll be fined, my attitude wasn't right for the Brighton game), learn your fecking lesson and shut the feck up the pair of you.
 
Was there any significant bid made by another big name club for Lukaku? I guarantee that if there was a demand for the player and the player was intrigued by the potential move, Raiola wouldn't remain silent.

No, I mean he’s dropped raiola as his agent. Signed for Jay-Z’s company
 
Pogba ... social media presence to be the undisputed star for any team in the world ....

This in a thread that also features agents and commericial managers, image agency's and a whole host of other utter shite that just sums up the state of so called modern football.
 
No, I mean he’s dropped raiola as his agent. Signed for Jay-Z’s company

I'm seeing conflicting reports with AS and Calciomercato saying Roc Nation Sports is his sole agent. Others like Belgian media Nieuwsblad saying Raiola still controls the agent rights and Roc only handling the commercial deals in America.
 
I'm seeing conflicting reports with AS and Calciomercato saying Roc Nation Sports is his sole agent. Others like Belgian media Nieuwsblad saying Raiola still controls the agent rights and Roc only handling the commercial deals in America.

So what are the only facts we know on the matter?
 
None of my business why Pogba chose this particular cnut to represent him, but he's a cnut that the club has to deal with - not you or me.
You can still enjoy football by supporting your local amateur (or lower division) side; sure, it's not the big names you're used to, but its still football nonetheless.

Not sure this went quite the intended direction
 
Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to

Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.

“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”

Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking
 
The troubling thing is that I don't think Raiola or Pogba understand that Scholes just wants Pogba to be the player he was.
 
The troubling thing is that I don't think Raiola or Pogba understand that Scholes just wants Pogba to be the player he was.
I don’t think either is remotely concerned by what Scholes said, or indeed what he wants, so much as the opportunity to twist his words to suit their needs at this moment in time. Pogba is in the enviable position of having a section of the support being willing to abandon all common sense and believe that Pogba’s agent has gone rogue at least a couple of times in the last six months or so.
 
I don’t think either is remotely concerned by what Scholes said, or indeed what he wants, so much as the opportunity to twist his words to suit their needs at this moment in time. Pogba is in the enviable position of having a section of the support being willing to abandon all common sense and believe that Pogba’s agent has gone rogue at least a couple of times in the last six months or so.
It's not going rogue though. It's common sense that he's going to back Pogba. Him backing Pogba and Pogba not ordering him to say something is possible you know. They're not mutually exclusive. Hell, maybe Pogba liked that Raiola stuck up for him. Who wouldn't want to be backed up?

Fans need to learn to separate Pogba and Raiola. Raiola is a cnut who will clash with clubs over his clients. I don't like Raiola for that reason. But I'm not going to confuse him with Pogba. Raiola is clearly loyal to a fault or rather loyal to the money his players can generate him to a fault. However, that's what agents do and that's what players want agents to do.

If you were Pogba, why would you be upset at his comments? He stuck up for you did he not? Did he in anyway damage your earning potential? So why would he reprimand his agent for something as small (as annoying as it is for us United fans) as this?

Unless Pogba gives indication that he wants to leave it doesn't matter what that fat cnut says. He's under contract for 2 more seasons at least. In that same interview where he implied unhappiness, he stated his happiness with United the club. Make of that what you will. Some of you are acting like he pulled a Ronaldo where he said he felt like a slave.
 
When asked by Sale prop Brian Mujati “Why was no one able to acknowledge the undeniable talent that is Paul Pogba,” Ferguson replied: “Paul Pogba? He had a bad agent. A s***bag. Paul Pogba was well known to us. We knew he was a good player. He's still a good player. We offered him the best contract...”



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Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to

Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.

“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”

Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking

Exactly..being a pro player means you are open to criticism. To be honest, Scholes was spot on, Raiola was or still is an idiot.
 
Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to

Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.

“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”

Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking
That's a very good point but I don't think leadership was the main problem in the game. The same players came back vs City when it seemed certain they were going to beat us. Our main problems on Sunday were tactical and we invited pressure as a team because of that. We've played like that too many times for it to be a leadership problem. Teams built on a fraction of our budget look more well drilled than us.
 
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I haven’t felt so embarrassed as a United fan since the Moyes season. What a prick this guy is. I struggle to imagine the board just sitting there accepting these comments. We’ve put too much money in this guys pocket let’s move on from him. I’ve got to a point where I don’t give a shit if Pogba stays or goes to be truly honest. I can’t be bothered with the drama anymore and he just seems to fuel it. We’re so desperate for a reset and some clear direction.
 
Why do we have a Raiola appreciation thread in a Manchester United forum?
Especially since there's a Raiola thread in football forum already.
 
Let’s take a look at exactly what Scholes said that Raiola took exception to

Scholes was critical of the Manchester United star, saying: “There’s a lack of leaders in the team. We thought Paul Pogba might be the ideal candidate to be that leader but he wasn’t there today.

“He had another really poor game. He’s so inconsistent. Pogba’s playing the ball out of play, he’s overhitting passes, he’s hitting passes short, he’s getting caught in possession.”

Don’t see how anybody could disagree with what he said it’s what most of us were thinking

Why does Scholes feel the need to constantly slate the team when given oppurtunity. Does he think the players themselves are not introspective? Pogba himself acknowledge a lack of attitude so why tf does he have to here it again from Scholesy. It really plays to our detriment to be having criticism coming in from a legend of the club. When Lampard was in punditry we wouldn't hear him slating Bakayoko or Fabregas when they would play up to scratch...yet we always know Scholes is going to jump to criticize.
 
Supported Pogba so far but its gone to far. His agent publicly being sarcastic talking about finding a new club. If he doesnt get sacked then bench Pogba. Matic with Fred and Pereira ahead of him. Sick of it. Sell Pogba in January and buy Savic. Also make up your mind about Jose. Get a DOF asap let him vet new potential managers and at the end of the season sack Jose. No point keeping him here if the club doesn't want to invest in older players. Bring in Jardim someone who fits with the glazers buy young plan and have resale value. The clubs a shambles. This is what happens with investment bankers in charge. Jose leaked a few PSG rumours and we ran to give him a new contract. Acting on instinct. How can someone be so naive. Woodward needs to grow a pair.


Absolutely spot on. Just one thing... woo woo is acting under owners instructions. Puppet.
 
Why does Scholes feel the need to constantly slate the team when given oppurtunity. Does he think the players themselves are not introspective? Pogba himself acknowledge a lack of attitude so why tf does he have to here it again from Scholesy. It really plays to our detriment to be having criticism coming in from a legend of the club. When Lampard was in punditry we wouldn't hear him slating Bakayoko or Fabregas when they would play up to scratch...yet we always know Scholes is going to jump to criticize.

Did you watch the TV coverage?

Pogba was giving a live interview, saying his attitude wasn’t great, it cut back to the studio and the presenter immediately asked Scholes what he thought about these comments.

What do you expect Scholes to say?

“No comment” live on tv?
“It’s fine to have the wrong attitude” live on tv?
“Well done for being honest, Pogba” live on tv?

Scholes said it how it was. As a fan, you expect your players, especially your leaders, to have the right attitude when stepping into that pitch representing the badge.

If Pogba wants to avoid (fair) criticism, he should try putting together 3 or 4 good performances in a row whilst wearing a red shirt.
 
The troubling thing is that I don't think Raiola or Pogba understand that Scholes just wants Pogba to be the player he was.


No he doesn’t

He just wants Pogba to act professionally, and play at a level that remotely approaches the hype and count his blessings and maybe actually earn his ridiculous wages, instead of acting like Raolas puppet or underpaid trade unionist from the 70s.

fecking state of the game.
 
The man at the top sets the tone for the whole club. Football is weird in that there are often two, the Chief Exec/chairman and the manager. The entire atmosphere around our club is contentious and toxic and there are only two people who can take the blame for that. Mourinho is leader by exception. Largely interacting to point out the negatives in your performance. Very transactional. Ed I have no idea. Doesn’t speak publicly much.

But whatbthis club needs is some strong transformational leadership to inspire everyone working there to go beyond their limits and be the best of who they are. Ferguson has done seminars on transformational leadership at top Universities. Klopp and Guardiola have all the Hallmarks of transformational leaders.

This club is going nowhere until we have some transformational leadership at both an executive and coaching level. All the rest of this shit is just noise. Peripheral nonsense caused by the uncontrolled, petulant toxic atmosphere prevalent every day.

Players, manager, chairman all briefing against each other through the media and social platforms. It is pathetic and beyond the pale for an institution as grand as Manchester United.

I, for one, am absolutely appalled at the state of our club. It’s a circus in the worst possible way, because the drama isn’t even accompanied with a sense of ruthlessness and demand for the absolute highest standards on the pitch. Unlike say Madrid, where the circus rolls on vacuuming in trophy after trophy.


In your haste to lay everything from global warming to brexit at Jose’s door, you’re overlooking one thing pal: news flash!... Jose is not the man at the top. Far from it. Apart from Woodward, the owners’ puppet, we have an investment group who don’t give a shite about the football side of things. Maybe you didn’t notice us replacing Ronaldo with Michael Owen or dozens of money saving deals since. From the no value years to Moyes, LVG, and Jose... notice anything? It’s been downhill ever since. You can put Pep, Poch and Jose together and they still won’t win th3 title back with this utter cancer on the club in charge. Don’t blame Pogba, LVG, Jose, Smalling or even the shitbag that is Raiola... as bad as Edwards was in milking his own little nest egg before selling us down the river, at least he had an interest on the football side of it. The sooner these fecking parasites piss off the better but don’t hold your breath
 
Absolutely spot on. Just one thing... woo woo is acting under owners instructions. Puppet.
Everyone under the leeches at the top of the club is a puppet. Raiola is Pogbas puppet and he takes the heat for Pogba. In the same way Woodward does the same for the glazers. We all know he is there favourite. I mean an investment banker who is pulling in lots of sponsors. Thats why I think we are looking at a DOF. All it will be is another scapegoat. Someone else to throw under the bus rather than the manager. For all their naivety in footballing matters one thing you can count on with the type of people running our club is disengenuous and underhanded tactics.
 
Everyone under the leeches at the top of the club is a puppet. Raiola is Pogbas puppet and he takes the heat for Pogba. In the same way Woodward does the same for the glazers. We all know he is there favourite. I mean an investment banker who is pulling in lots of sponsors. Thats why I think we are looking at a DOF. All it will be is another scapegoat. Someone else to throw under the bus rather than the manager. For all their naivety in footballing matters one thing you can count on with the type of people running our club is disengenuous and underhanded tactics.

Agreed 100%.
 
Why does Scholes feel the need to constantly slate the team when given oppurtunity. Does he think the players themselves are not introspective? Pogba himself acknowledge a lack of attitude so why tf does he have to here it again from Scholesy. It really plays to our detriment to be having criticism coming in from a legend of the club. When Lampard was in punditry we wouldn't hear him slating Bakayoko or Fabregas when they would play up to scratch...yet we always know Scholes is going to jump to criticize.

Like most of us on here Scholes is a fan of the club unlike us he got to live the dream and play for the club he loves .
Like any fan he is passionate because he cares so much.
Like us when he sees one of our players constantly letting the side down he says it like he sees it and any fan being honest with himself would agree with the majority of what he says .
With respect bakayoko and Fabregas have nowhere near the profile of Pogba and fabregas has played far more good games than pogba .
Pogba should show some respect to the club and put his preening and posing to one side until he starts to deliver.
If he had the slightest feelings for his club and the fans he should be reigning his hateful agent in or we can all see what will happen the fans will turn against him .
Personally I was so chuffed when we bought him and now I can’t stand the sight of him
 
Half of you guys thing football is WWE and we are owed something. I couldn’t careless what Pogba has to say, he just best turn up on Monday. Get over yourselfs. Scholes attacked his client and he hit back. I have no loyalties to Riaola compared to Scholes but my love for Scholes starts and ends with what he done on the pitch.. if people want to have a bickering match with eachother left them have it. The club will remain a joke until we sort out this dross that gets delivered on the pitch. All the rest is just noise distracting us from where the actual problem is. You all think these ex players love the club because what we stand for etc etc. They only love the club because it brought them success and we only love them because of the same.
 
Pogba should show some respect to the club and put his preening and posing to one side until he starts to deliver.
If he had the slightest feelings for his club and the fans he should be reigning his hateful agent in or we can all see what will happen the fans will turn against him .
How did Pogba show disrespect to the club through Raiola's comments? Raiola is Raiola. He is not Pogba. Likewise, Scholes is not United. He is a club legend. You need to learn to differentiate the two.

Again, I'll ask this to all blaming Pogba. Why would Pogba be upset at Raiola for his comments? Raiola stuck up for him. I'm not blaming Scholes either as he's a pundit and it's his job to do what he did. I just think you're asking for too much by wanting Pogba to reign in his cnut of an agent for sticking up for him. It's like you're not thinking about what a player wants out of his agent. The goal of the agent is to maximize his player's earning potential. As long as his actions don't contradict that I see no reason for him to be upset at that fat cnut.
 
When you get into bed with the devil, don’t be surprised when he pushes your head under the covers and farts!