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They lasted longer than Catalonia and Makhno's free territory in Ukraine, so there's that I guess.
They lasted longer than Catalonia and Makhno's free territory in Ukraine, so there's that I guess.
Middle East Politics
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Not sure it this is the right place for this but the presidential campaign in Egypt is turning into a farce even by African standards. Haven't read/heard anything in terms of any kind of condemnation from the US, EU, AU, Arab league or Israel.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-after-announcing-presidential-bid-sami-anan
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...y-after-announcing-presidential-bid-sami-anan
Are you surprised?
A step in the right direction.
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Just another day in apartheid Israel
Saudi are bombing Yemen into smithereens and they have created a humanitarian crisis there. They blocked the UN from sending humanitarian aid there. Turkey are attacking Kurds in another country, basically having invaded Syria without a UN vote (not that the UN means anything). But hey, let's discuss an Israel non story in this thread instead!
Look, it's the Goodyear blimp!
So what's the proper context?
The Saudi family are rats that have blighted the Muslim world for nearly a century. Am I allowed to say the same about Israel or will that hurt your sensibilities?
How about we criticise all three? Its what I've been doing anyway. Israel is hardly a non story either considering its occupation of Palestinian territories and abhorrent treatment of Palestinians has preceded the events in Syria and Yemen by some decades.
@Nikhil is absolutely right with his observation in general. There are vastly different criteria to what stirs people's interest or anger. Depending on who's the perpetrator, comparable actions can be met with either furious condemnation or absolute silence. These kinds of ideologies only work when reality is pre-filtered that way.
3642 Palestinians have been killed in Syria, 12,000 languish in Syrian Prisons.
Hmmmm. I wonder why nobody gives a shit?
http://www.actionpal.org.uk/en/
Because you do right?
If you've not noticed already, the Syrian regime is hardly popular nor is it lacking in any condemnation. So not sure what your point is there. Pretty much every ethnic or religious group in Syria has suffered thousands of losses and immeasurable suffering.
So your whataboutism deflection doesn't work here unless you're putting Israel on the same moral and stable level as Syria in its current state.
He's absolutely right, I only wish Israel's critics would use the same fervour in condemning Saudi and Turkish aggression against the Yemenis and Kurds respectively.
However that's not to say Israel should be absolved of its decades worth of occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people. Nor does it suggest that anyone condemning Israel is apathetic or indifferent to the oppression perpetrated by others.
and then you wrote.....
So when both your contradictory statements are added together that means Israel's critic's are putting Israel in a worse moral and stable level as Syria.
Only if you make the assumption that all of Israel's critics are purposefully disinterested in the suffering in Syria, which is obviously not the case. There's no contradiction there.
So now that the Caftard Israeli bots/trolls have yet again successfully diverted all attention away from the original point in hand, I will do what I can against the bots by reposting this.
From what I can tell not a single Israeli has posted in this thread.
But it is exactly the case. Tons have threads have been have been hijacked into Israeli-Palestinian debates - even the current International Holocaust Remembrance Day which just had a poster banned.
So why no debate about the Palestinian's horrid suffering in Syria (or Kuwait, Iraq etc)....where are the marches?, where's Ken Loach? Where the hell is Mahmoud Abbas? The Guardian?
The double standard is just so fecking obvious and needs pointing out.
Not familiar with the intricacies of this conflict.
My question is for the Isrealis against a two state solution.
At they willing for the Palestinians to become citizens of Israel and have all the rights of being one?
My question is for the Isrealis against a two state solution.
At they willing for the Palestinians to become citizens of Israel and have all the rights of being one?
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I think they don't want a solution because the current status quo works perfectly well for them. 50 years later we'll just say Palestine? What Palestine? That's the end game.
There are some high-profile figures on the right who have stated that they are willing to grant full citizenship to the West Bank Palestinians, but not the Gazans or the refugees in neighbouring countries. I believe the current President Rivlin is one of these, but they're a minority on the right as things stand. The only Israeli Jews you'll find who are willing to grant full citizenship to all the different elements of the Palestinian population are on the far-left, and they're an even tinier minority with zero influence on the politics of the country.
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Pretty much. They're hoping as time passes that the Palestinian Resistance will peter out and newer generations will lose the Palestinian identity and link to their homeland that their forefathers had.
It's a slow and sadly inevitable result to this conflict.
Nope. This is about the PA and Hamas getting awfully rich. No conflict = no Ferrari's.
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A Ferrari will blend in easily on the streets of Palestine, no one will spot them!
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This isn't in Palestine if that's what you're sayingToo true...
As far as I understand the common motives and dynamics of the anti-Israel sentiment, I'm very sure you're in for a disappointment here. I'm not saying this with any kind of glee (I fully understand the seriousness of these issues), it's just that I find a general disregard of perspective to be practically constitutive for the dominant anti-Zionist narratives.
I'd say that a lot of times exactly this is the case, not necessarily in terms of general apathy, but certainly in terms of chronic disinterest in contradicting facts and contexts. There are many people of all political/religious affiliations who simply have a need for turning this conflict into a battle of "good vs. evil". This doesn't hold water when it comes to the historic realities of the Israeli-Arab conflict, so this is where the perception filter we talked about has to kick in. And when it does, it usually does quite efficiently.
Some arguments made on the Cafe in recent weeks:
* Israel (in alliance with the Rothschild family, Rupert Murdoch and Dick Cheney among others) deliberately organised the entire Syrian Civil War in order to steal oil from the Golan Heights.
* American politicians are forced to sign loyalty oaths to AIPAC.
* British politicians hoping to become MPs must sign a similar oath to 'Friends of Israel'.
* Israel is doing the same thing to the Palestinians that the Nazis did to the Jews (this was made in the Holocaust remembrance thread).
I'd say that to judge by the Cafe, you're understating the issue considerably.
I'm merely being diplomatic to allow for some kind of discussion at all. If I'd speak my mind all the time, there'd be no end to the ensuing fights, believe me. (I was also the first one out combating allegations #1 and #4, if you read back.)
Aye I remember, sorry my post was worded badly, it was directed at people complaining about 'Israeli bots' and those suggesting that there is an equivalence between the nature of the general criticism directed at Israel and that directed at certain other states.
There's so much misinformation coming from both sides to where its no surprise they are so far apart.
Get it.
As for the other point (misunderstanding aside), I learnt in my time on the Caf how necessary it is for everybody to try to show some restraint, even if it's not easy when discussing matters of life and death. This place would blow up otherwise.