Michael Carrick | 2021/22 Interim-Interim Manager Performances

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Redlyn said:
For all the so called chances the xG was less than 1. The usual system and players have been an integral part of the trainwreck.
Last I will say on this, is I for one wouldn't change a thing in that match and we dont have to agree.
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Which, weirdly enough is about average for Villareal. Which for a team that is 12th should tell you everything you need to know.

I also shouldn't need to point this out, but while xG is a useful metric for many situations, it's absolutely horrible for single point analysis like you're trying to do here. It works because it's based on large data sets which "smooth out the edges" on the final calculation and as such should be used when describing large data sets, not individual games.
 
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Matt851 said:
Great yeah continued failure is important, otherwise we might get some competent coaches in
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Why does it have to be either or? And not if it's in a diminished role to learn the ropes and have some form of continuity. If the new coaching team comes in and stinks up the place we'd have to start from 0 (again) just like what Moyes did. Most modern successful clubs have such a structure in place.
 
Adnan said:
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I remember reading a while back that Carrick and Mckenna were training the team for a 4-3-3 formation while Ole and Phelan were persisting with a 4-2-3-1 formation.

Whatever the case this looks like a PR spin designed to direct some goodwill towards our current set of coaches.
 
Caesar2290 said:
I remember reading a while back that Carrick and Mckenna were training the team for a 4-3-3 formation while Ole and Phelan were persisting with a 4-2-3-1 formation.

Whatever the case this looks like a PR spin designed to direct some goodwill towards our current set of coaches.
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McKenna from what we've seen is a proactive coach and looks to play a proactive brand of football. It was absurd of Mourinho to bring him into his back room staff when their ideals were polar opposite.

It's also why I doubted he had much say in Ole playing a low/mid block, when he never coached in that way.
 
I know people are dismissing this idea, but it is nonsense that the manager has nothing to do with the coaching.

The coaches may control the actual coaching, but the manager controls how the coaches coach the team. He has full power over what is done.

I have never known any other instance where the coaches have taken so much flack in place of the manager. The manager controls the coaches and they do as he wants.

This happens in all jobs: you do as your manager says. You may be able to suggest changes etc., but it is entirely up to your manager whether he does anything with it.
 
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Lecland07 said:
I know people are dismissing this idea, but it is nonsense that the manager has nothing to do with the coaching.

The coaches may control the actual coaching, but the manager controls how the coaches coach the team. He has full power over what is done.

I have never known any other instance where the coaches have taken so much flack in place of the manager. The manager controls the coaches and they do as he wants.

This happens in all jobs: you do as your manager says. You may be able to suggest changes etc., but it is entirely up to your manager whether he does anything with it.
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I think we've got a fair few on here who've not yet joined the workforce.

It's very likely that 4-3-3 was considered at some point. There were reports of us training with a 433 in mind during preseason to fit in the likes of Pogba.
 
Pronewbie said:
Am I the only one here who thinks that it would be nice for Carrick and /or McKenna to stay on in some kind of diminished capacity (if they are willing to) when a new manager comes in? Just for some form of continuity.
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Not a bad idea to retain Carrick as coach working under an experienced head coach, new head coach can lead the training sessions and Carrick can support the new head coach, also the new head coach will take charge of tactics and instructions to the players. Carrick knows the players so he can help the new coach in that.
 
Lecland07 said:
I know people are dismissing this idea, but it is nonsense that the manager has nothing to do with the coaching.

The coaches may control the actual coaching, but the manager controls how the coaches coach the team. He has full power over what is done.

I have never known any other instance where the coaches have taken so much flack in place of the manager. The manager controls the coaches and they do as he wants.

This happens in all jobs: you do as your manager says. You may be able to suggest changes etc., but it is entirely up to your manager whether he does anything with it.
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Exactly. The back room staff can only coach the team in the plan the head coach/manager wants them to coach in. Solskjaer clearly setup us to play in a low/mid, compact block against decent teams and the coaching staff can only adapt to what the guy in charge wants.

Hansi Flick worked under Trappatoni at Salzburg and said that it was good experience for him but his ideals on the game were very different to the Italian and he had to adapt his coaching to the Italians defensive minded tactics.

Now I'm not saying McKenna should be given the gig or anything, because I fully believe we need a high calibre and experienced coaching team. But I do believe he's a very promising young coach that got thrust into the fire unfairly by Mourinho who it seemed was hell bent on getting the sack. And then the very inexperienced Solskjaer, who wasn't a coach on the training ground and hence the burden of demands fell on a rookie McKenna, who was our only coach who had a understanding of implementing a modern way of playing the game.
 
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spiriticon said:
I don't think there was a change in tactical set up per se, just a change in focus.

Carrick focused on defence before attack, whereas Ole focused on attack before defence.

Ole's philosophy was correct for Man Utd, but the 'you score three, we score four' only works if we actually score four. We were scoring zero.
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Last few games under Ole we generally had 7 players in defence not marking anybody and kept getting over run in midfield. So I’d strongly disagree Ole focused on attacking before defence. Generally Fred and McTommy in midfield throughout his tenure to protect the backline, rather than enhance the attack.
 
Red_toad said:
Last few games under Ole we generally had 7 players in defence not marking anybody and kept getting over run in midfield. So I’d strongly disagree Ole focused on attacking before defence. Generally Fred and McTommy in midfield throughout his tenure to protect the backline, rather than enhance the attack.
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Correction: Ole claimed he focused on attacking before defense. He told people he plays free-flowing, attacking football.
 
Seij said:
Correction: Ole claimed he focused on attacking before defense. He told people he plays free-flowing, attacking football.
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He claimed he was confident in his ability to turn round this season. Didn’t really work in reality either.
 
Adnan said:
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I can believe this. It's not outside the realm of plausibility and hence should be considered before being dismissed outright as self-interested spin.

Reason being that our play was so poor that one felt there was no way that coaches who had their badges supported by even a fledgling data department could be so bad. As easy as it is to criticize Carrickenna, it's a very bad idea to waste this opportunity to gain information (how they would have us play with the Ole variable removed).

We have players with access to world-class resources outside the club; they can serve as a barometer/hold the caretaker team accountable and the caretaker team know that as well.
 
Can't help but feel for Mike, I think he was about to knock Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Ten Hag from the throne.
 
Murtough has blocked Carrick's development as a first team coach by appointing his mate Ralf from Germany. Not sure it's a good move.
 
Carrick has been a coach, nothing more. You rightfully don’t give Phelan any real credit for our 2008 CL/league double win so don’t blame Carrick for Ole’s massive shortcomings.
His job is to coach what is instructed by the manager.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
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Full Name: Michael Carrick
Date of Birth: Jul 28, 1981 (Age 40)
Nationality: England
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Previous Role: Assistant Manager
Current Role: Interim-Interim Manager
Coaching Licence: UEFA Pro Licence
Appointed: Nov 21, 2021
Contract until: TBD

Credit to @VanDeBank

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He wasn't assistant manager. That was Phelan.
 
Rash Decision said:
I think the best we can hope for is for our newfangled football structure to make a proper decision this time, as we don’t have insight as to what exactly the dynamics of the coaching staff are. I’d be more inclined for McKenna to stay and actually learn the ropes from more experienced coaches (as opposed to leading the training on his own) since he was very highly rated as a youth coach, whereas Carrick has zero experience and reputation outside of being on Jose’s and Ole’s staffs. I’m surprised that Carrick was given the nod for caretaker manager instead of McKenna, actually.
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Seen things that say Carrick was more liked or rather he communicated to the players in a better way than McKenna who came off like a school teacher.
 
Rash Decision said:
I think the best we can hope for is for our newfangled football structure to make a proper decision this time, as we don’t have insight as to what exactly the dynamics of the coaching staff are. I’d be more inclined for McKenna to stay and actually learn the ropes from more experienced coaches (as opposed to leading the training on his own) since he was very highly rated as a youth coach, whereas Carrick has zero experience and reputation outside of being on Jose’s and Ole’s staffs. I’m surprised that Carrick was given the nod for caretaker manager instead of McKenna, actually.
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Carrick has worked under LVG, Mourinho And also Ole.
 
Adnan said:
Murtough has blocked Carrick's development as a first team coach by appointing his mate Ralf from Germany. Not sure it's a good move.
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What?

If he is good enoug he can always show it at other club and come back in few years.
 
hellhunter said:
Maybe I missed it, but where does the idea that Murtough and Rangnick are friends come from? Have their paths ever crossed before?
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According to Raf Honigstein, Murtough and Rangnick last met in 2019. I also listen to a podcast which has guests from around Europe who work in various different capacities within the football side of different clubs, and they have also said that many Sporting directors sought Murtough's advice on building data science departments and it was also mentioned that Rangnick consulted Murtough when the RB clubs began looking into building a Sports Science department many many years ago.

Murtough is described as a innovator in in his particular field in the UK.
 
Adnan said:
I know, but why has Murtough chosen a friend of his, when we don't like 'mates fc' at the club?
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Adnan said:
According to Raf Honigstein, Murtough and Rangnick last met in 2019. I also listen to a podcast which has guests from around Europe who work in various different capacities within the football side of different clubs, and they have also said that many Sporting directors sought Murtough's advice on building data science departments and it was mentioned that that Rangnick consulted Murtough when RB clubs began looking into building a Sports Science department many many years ago.

Murtough is described as a innovator in in his particular field in the UK.
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Sounds more like someone he knows and appreciates, than a friend of his.
 
Did his job, hopefully we will announce Rangnick before Arsenal game.
 
He's absolutely quality and deserves to stay on. Shades of Diego simeone today.

Just put Ralph in a director role and keep Carrick as manager
 
It hasn't been pretty but he got the team playing more sound defensive football. It's a start.
 
Four points vs Villareal & Chelsea.

Some dignity preserved after Ole's implosion and mental breakdown to tears in last interview.
 
Win against Villarreal to get us through in Champions League and now a point at Stamford Bridge against possible future champions. Job well done, but is it confirmed that this is his last game and Rangnick takes over from tomorrow?
 
Was happy with the team selection. Not so much with the subs.
Would have preferred Lingard for Sancho and VDB for Rashford. Playing Ronaldo on the left where we were constantly being exposed due to the lack of defensive work by Rashford almost cost us at the end.
 
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