I'm not disputing that; more disputing the idea that Memphis is struggling because Mata isn't pulling his weight on the right.
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I'm not disputing that; more disputing the idea that Memphis is struggling because Mata isn't pulling his weight on the right.
His numbers are actually really good when you consider that he's 21, in a new league and a new team. He might not be getting everything right but he is still being pretty efficient for us. In general he's been no worse than many of our other players, I think people are just expecting too much from him too soon.
No one will se his potential until we get an equally capable player on the right. The amount of times i see 2 or 3 defenders marking memphis just because mata has already cut in to the middle. A player who can keep width and cut in WITH the ball will make defenders less capable to mark memphis out the game.
They haven't come in a new league, though. They've almost all been in Europe.
Oh, I agree then. That's just a weird argument
. Memphis wasn't even bad today. Was decent overall, created a few chances, hit the post for Mata's goal, and made a few good runs. He's a kid coming to a new league, he's obviously going to be inconsistent. He's showing moments of class and that'll only improve though with time. Martial has started brilliantly but I'm sure he'll be inconsistent this season as well. Simply because he's 19 years old. Both of them being productive so soon though is a great sign though for us going forwards.You're all going to turn on him the way you did with Nani, I foresee it.
It's insane really, he was solid today and didn't give me any reason to be concerned about him.
Aren't you even slightly worried about the fact he can't actually dribble? I mean, for a winger, thats a massive issue.
And we wasn't really solid was he? He didn't do anything all game until the turn and shot for the third goal. Which was fantastic.
I don't see whats wrong with having a few concerns. No ones righting him off, or calling him shit. Just commenting on his performances, which haven't been all that great, apart from flashes of brilliance here and there.
He's definitely been much better in the CL than Prem, but I think as soon as he adapts, he'll do much better in the Prem as well.
I thought he was decent today, albeit there were a few frustrating moments. His decision making needs to improve and he needs to release the ball quicker at times.
I thought he was decent today, albeit there were a few frustrating moments. His decision making needs to improve and he needs to release the ball quicker at times.
He's exciting to watch that is a fact. I love how he beats a man. Still has a lot to learn in terms of decision making but with experience will learn. He has everything though to become our best player.
He's what you'd expect from a highly-rated flair 21-year-old so far. Prodigious skill, outrageous moments, certainly worth his spot in the side but not yet a consistent contributor.
That said, after that turn and shot onto the post for Mata's goal today, the 'hasn't scored in the Prem yet' point is hardly relevant. Some scrappy tap-in or whatever would hardly have been as impressive or promising as an assist like that.
That said, after that turn and shot onto the post for Mata's goal today, the 'hasn't scored in the Prem yet' point is hardly relevant. Some scrappy tap-in or whatever would hardly have been as impressive or promising as an assist like that.
He reminds of me of a young Cristiano Ronaldo in that sense that his talent is so outrageously obvious, but only in small flashes. It is very frustrating, but he is young and lernin 
Luckily for him, Martial came in and took the pressure off his shoulders and he deals with it very well. If he hadn't come in, Memphis would be under much bigger pressure by the media to deliver and score.
Hopefully, he'll improve.
Hopefully, he'll improve.
I'm still waiting for him to consistently best his man.
Cheesy Mata is coming up well short in this position. In fact both wingers are right now, Depay it is understandable as he should not be playing every game as he's not ready but is because he's our best winger. But Mata is truly awful in this position. The fact we have great possession and Mata chips in with a goal or a assist now and again does not detract from the distinct attacking block on the right hand side of the park. Give me Mane everyday of the week and watch the difference in our team then! Mata should be 10 or nothing.
Firstly he isn't a winger. He isn't going tear defenders apart from young Giggs did. He's a forward for me who is at his best using a quick piece of intelligent skill to lose the defender and shoot/pass. That definitely looks to be his strength. And given he just topped the Dutch goalscoring charts it makes the best use of his goalscoring prowess too. Add to his strength and it's a good combination.
Secondly, he didn't drbble much in the last game, but I would argue that "can't dribble" is a step too far. That skill for the goal was dribbling, the skill for the PSV goal was dribblng, and against Newcastle in the first half his dribbling was quite good.
At the end of the day he is just 21. Glimses of his big potential and a bit of end product is all you can expect at this age. I see the tools there for him to dribble better so hopefully he does.
But I don't think he's stinking up the place as this thread would suggest. Massive overreactions all round.
Too much is expected from him whereas he's just a kid.
I'm not saying that as a sole reason Cheesy as Depay has been stone average in the league games and looked heavy legged, I'd go as far to say he's struggling to adapt to the physicality and pace of the league (that will come). But Mata has not exactly unburdened him with his performances. Defences are hardly being stretched with Mata!
I think it's a fair point actually. It's a lot harder to find space when all the attacks are set up to go from your side. Defences will put a greater emphasis on that side naturally. Now, Memphis can and will do better with time anyway, but having a big threat on the other side dragging more attention that side would help greatly. Even Neymar, for example, has Messi dragging entire defences to the right leaving Neymar with much less to do on the left to hurt teams.
Yep exactly the centre half comes over and closes the space for 1 v 1 same with the midfield leaving Depay a lot to do. If we had someone like Mane on the right then it's much harder for this to happen and leaves opportunities for Depay to be 1 v 1.
I'm not concerned about Memphis in the future. We all knew that the first season would take some adapting. He's been showing flashes, and will only get better as the season goes by. Maybe a rest would do him some good, but maybe he just needs to play to get the PL under control. Hard to say.
What I do think is a factor for our impatience is the impact Martial is making. In the ilk of "If Martial is more expensive and is already scoring, Memphis should do even more."
What I do think is a factor for our impatience is the impact Martial is making. In the ilk of "If Martial is more expensive and is already scoring, Memphis should do even more."
Once he gets used to the PL and that teams double him, he will be brilliant. People just need to relax and give him time
21 years old. Give him a season or two as an impact player off the bench perhaps? Plenty of time for him to come good.
He's kind of going under the radar in the last two games because of the excitement about Martial and concern about Shaw but that's a goal in each of our last two games which have been mainly due to individual brilliance from Depay. Encouraging to see.
I am genuinely surprised by the harsh criticism he has received in this thread, as I have been becoming more excited about him the more I see him play. We just need to think about the long-term and not about a particular game.
He has fantastic talents and I don't know how somebody can't see that. He has great speed, strength (although he isn't great at using his strength to his advantage yet, and he would get better at it as he gets used to the PL, not unlike Smalling actually), technique, movement and vision. He can beat his man inside as well as outside in a one-on-one situation based on his technical and physical attributes. He also seems to be generally intelligent in his play. I see him developing as a complete modern wide-forward who would be a great asset in a possession oriented team as well as a counter-attacking team. He also appears to be forming a good attacking partnership with Martial, which has the potential to be as good as the Rooney-Ronaldo combo.
Justified criticisms of him would be that he has surprisingly low stamina as he looks physically shot in the premier league games, and that he is a bit lost in rapid PL tempo. Both these points can be attributed to him being new to the premier league and LVG has already cautioned us beforehand that he would find it difficult initially. He can work on these issues and I am pretty sure he would do better in the second half of the season and next season. The other criticism I would have of him is that he hasn't been able to form a good partnership with his supporting LB and tries to do too many things himself sometimes. Having said that his combination play with the other attacking players has been great till now so again it doesn't seem to be a long-term issue. Perhaps he is trying too hard to impress.
The best thing to happen to him is the arrival of Martial - this has reduced the burden and expectancy from his shoulders. Both the young players can now jointly share the burden and will get breathing space to grow individually and together (again I can't help but keep thinking of Rooney-Ronaldo combo). His output till now has been good for his age. I can bet that those writing him off would have to (gladly) eat their words in future.
He has fantastic talents and I don't know how somebody can't see that. He has great speed, strength (although he isn't great at using his strength to his advantage yet, and he would get better at it as he gets used to the PL, not unlike Smalling actually), technique, movement and vision. He can beat his man inside as well as outside in a one-on-one situation based on his technical and physical attributes. He also seems to be generally intelligent in his play. I see him developing as a complete modern wide-forward who would be a great asset in a possession oriented team as well as a counter-attacking team. He also appears to be forming a good attacking partnership with Martial, which has the potential to be as good as the Rooney-Ronaldo combo.
Justified criticisms of him would be that he has surprisingly low stamina as he looks physically shot in the premier league games, and that he is a bit lost in rapid PL tempo. Both these points can be attributed to him being new to the premier league and LVG has already cautioned us beforehand that he would find it difficult initially. He can work on these issues and I am pretty sure he would do better in the second half of the season and next season. The other criticism I would have of him is that he hasn't been able to form a good partnership with his supporting LB and tries to do too many things himself sometimes. Having said that his combination play with the other attacking players has been great till now so again it doesn't seem to be a long-term issue. Perhaps he is trying too hard to impress.
The best thing to happen to him is the arrival of Martial - this has reduced the burden and expectancy from his shoulders. Both the young players can now jointly share the burden and will get breathing space to grow individually and together (again I can't help but keep thinking of Rooney-Ronaldo combo). His output till now has been good for his age. I can bet that those writing him off would have to (gladly) eat their words in future.
This.
I don't get all the optimism. He's been decent in the CL, and nearly invisible in the league. If Young was performing like Memphis you'd see this place do a 180.
Willing to give him a few seasons to bed in but so far he's been meh.
He's actually not gone under the radar that much, he's being criticised heavily (has been for the past two weeks).
When I say under the radar, I was talking about his positive contributions. Those were two really excellent pieces of play, for which he's not got much recognition IMO.
Young rarely had such an attacking threat even last season when he was praised. Young often has been marked by 1 player and even if he gets past him, he rarely puts in a dangerous cross/scores a goal. Whereas Memphis has been closely marked by two players all the time and yet has produced individual quality generally in every match. He has been our most threatening attacker over the course of this nascent season, although Martial may take over him soon!
And when you say he has been decent in the CL, what does it say about our other attacking players? As he has been better and done more than Rooney, Mata, Herrera, Fellaini, and Young in CL.
I agree. I guess it's a matter of taste, but on the basis of what I've seen so far I can certainly put up with the crap parts to get the good parts. I'm ever more convinced that his potential is absolutely immense, so would be madness not to stick by him.
I agree.
Wait people writing him off,not ready to give him X years to improve,while in same time there is talk about Mane (23) like 'Uh,oh he looks good,we should spend 25 mil on him etc."?
He reminds me a fair bit of a young Nani. Shows glimpses of doing something amazing and then messes up the most basic of passes. Also seems to be trying a bit too hard to show his ability but it's clear as day that the kid is excellent and is causing the opposition all kinds of problems.
Just because he is attracting some criticism doesn't mean people are writing him off. There might be a few that are but those people are just being dramatic. I criticised him because he hasn't been that good lately IMO, not writing him off though. I am sure he will be just fine in the long run.
He's not been as exciting a player as I thought he'd be in the league. In the CL though, it's been a different story. I think he'll be twice the player in 2-3 years and those who are writing him off this early are mental. Not that there are many.
His bad performances are a direct result of our rubbish transfer window (in terms of attacking players). Had we someone who was genuinely good enough to replace him, then he'd be given time off, unfortunately, we don't. Young is a decent player, but I don't think he's good enough to be starting consistently as he just doesn't produce the goods often enough. However, it is about time that the two were rotated, as we don't have many choices, and don't want Memphis to burn out so rapidly.
You aren't going to develop Memphis better if you sign a Reus for his place alongside him.
Could have kept Januzaj and rotated the two.
Young is better than both atm. 3 players to rotate 1 position?
Individual brilliance for his goal at PSV and individual brilliance for Mata's goal yesterday.
His output, just like Mata's will be good this season. Both of them will only truly be appreciated at the end of the season when they have both get 30 goals (combined goals and assists) this season.
His output, just like Mata's will be good this season. Both of them will only truly be appreciated at the end of the season when they have both get 30 goals (combined goals and assists) this season.
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