Keeping inconsistent players that aren't good enough technically is just as damaging as keeping players that are talented but don't put in the effort. Like you said having players with a balance between the two is vital to catch up with the top of the league, any player that falls out the venn diagram intersection needs replacing.
McTominay - what’s his potential?
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Bang average players have the odd good moment too. Our fans get over excited by them.
Love the irony. You are having a go at the poster for saying things that are not factual, but you go and do the same?
https://fbref.com/en/squads/1953887...ited-Stats-All-Competitions#all_stats_defense
Recoveries per 90
Pogba 8.37
McTominay 11.3
The reason it goes unmentioned is because its not factual.
If Pogba plays deeper as a DM when playing alongside McT, why are his defensive actions lower than Pogba's?
Ariel duels, tacking, blocks and interceptions.
I know you dont like McT, but no need to make stats up against a midfielder who is just as bad.
Always the same on here. One or two moments from a highlight reel are used to justify why a mediocre player is in our first team. Same thing happened with Lingard for ages.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. For such a bad passer to start in central midfield for Manchester United is pure madness.its only United fans that will go find clips of a player giving the ball away. I actually haven't seen many PL midfielders with 100% pass accuracy.
Finding misplaced passes in games is not difficult even for the best of players.
Its pathetic from fans really.
Rarely starts in midfield for Scotland.
Sancho barely gets in the England squad, does that mean he is worse than McTominay?
Yeah I agree with your point but that's basically the entire squad!
So my point is, clearout the weak, the slow, the players who can't/won't run first and then move on to the rest
I said he'll end his career playing CF for a team in league 1 or the champsionship. I think he's a striker but not a top top level one
England widemen vs Scottish midfielders. might wanna check
Just checked the last squad.
Grealish, Sterling, Smith Rowe, Foden.
A player that plays regular for Manutd cannot make England squad against players that are bench players for their club team in Smith Rowe and Grealish.
It might have something to do with utd fans actually knowing what a man utd midfielder/player should look like. There's nothing wrong with providing some evidence to support your argument, It's not out of context when some of the clips were a round up of a performance against one team, for example him getting bossed by Burnley. A lot of fans have had the patience but after two seasons of it without any sign of him getting dropped or replaced, it's a worthy issue of complaint.
Haha yeah fair point!
The point is no one is claiming he is a world class midfielder. The reason for evidence is if someone has claimed he is, are you able to evidence that someone has?
Well, your issue is about him not being dropped, I don't see anyone on this forum saying he cannot be improved on, its the managers Jose, Ole and Ralf who keep picking him.
Are you suggesting that they dont know what a Manutd level midfielder needs to do? Or they just dont know what they are doing?
I can guarantee you, you can find clips of any player being dominated.
My argument is he's not good enough technically or mentally to be a utd player, and backed up the statement with evidence of him doing dumb shit and playing bad passes quite consistently.
My point is, you can find clips of every player doing dumb shit.
That was just a snippet of it with a limit of 10 media links per post. I could go through the archive if that's what you want. If he was putting in worthy performances even close to the level of Carrick or Scholes then the odd cock up is absolutely fine, he isn't anywhere near that, so the consistent cock ups and technical inconsistency is far less tolerable. There's nothing wrong with providing examples when it isn't taken out of context.
If your Aunt had Balls she'd be your Uncle.
Word it whatever way you like he's not even good enough even for the bench. Tell me what teams in the top 10 Mctominay would get into? I'm genuinely interested.
Always disheartening seeing him being a constant staple in the XI when across town you have the likes of Foden, a genuine world class academy talent, being a super sub more often than not.
A regular reflection of where we are as a club currently and our recruitment failures in recent years.
He wouldn't be a starter for any of our league rivals quite honestly and that's no knock on him personally as he's got a good attitude. Just not good enough and that'd be perfectly fine if he was just squad player instead of an important player that we rely heavily on.
A regular reflection of where we are as a club currently and our recruitment failures in recent years.
He wouldn't be a starter for any of our league rivals quite honestly and that's no knock on him personally as he's got a good attitude. Just not good enough and that'd be perfectly fine if he was just squad player instead of an important player that we rely heavily on.
The part in bold has actually been mentioned. Bruno loses it more, but he plays advanced more often of course. McTominay is afraid to get on the ball and has by the far the least number of touches per 90 average and makes the least number of average passes in the same respect.
He's useless on the ball and it was actually statistically shown in the previous pandemic and first pandemic seasons that united got loss points per game in the league in matches where they had more than 55% possession of the ball with McTominay starting and more points per game with less possession with him starting.
He sure did.
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If a box-to-box player doesn’t possess positional & spatial awareness he’s likely to find himself in the wrong box.
Is McTominay playing for free?
Feck me, have people taken to finding twitter feeds of someone who doesn't like McT and using it as evidence to suggest they know more than multiple coaches and managers?
This place really does blow my mind at times!
This place really does blow my mind at times!
We seem to have a lot of midfielders that can't pass. Which is shocking because a decent passing ability should be a bare minimum for midfielders. We're not even talking about Scholes passes, just the simple ones like getting the ball from player A to player B without any of them shitting their pants in the process.
Yes let's rely on managerial failures to form our views on players who have failed at United instead of just watching them and judging based on performances.
This made me realize he's a Europa League Valverde
Every post I've seen from you indicates that you're incapable of forming an opinion against what the current manager is doing. The manager or club can do no wrong, despite the fact that the managers and club have been a relative failure for quite a while.
Instead of picking mere segments from twitter you mean?
You reckon these managers and coaches haven't watched the same games, plus multiple training sessions? Or multiple analysts and performance statistics?
Or do you reckon they just rely on their biased opinions and twitter videos?
The club can do wrong, that's evident in the league position we currently sit in.
But that's being addressed by the club finally, as it runs deeper than just one or two players not playing well, its systematic from the top down, but thats bigger than McT and not relevant to people picking out twitter feeds of players giving the ball away and claiming its evidence that they are not United quality.
1) he made the Euros squad and will again
2) Grealish as a 100million player not just any benchwarmer. he also plays for a team whose "bench" is better than our 1st 11 starters
3) Smith Roew has started more often than not and has 10 goals
I know you are joking so its fine
Okay, one of utd's worst players technically isn't relevant to the bad technical performances coming from midfield. Good one. He's a part of the performance problem, he gives possession away too much in dangerous positions and his lack of positional awareness and movement makes it easy for the opposition to box in our defenders and pile the pressure on, forcing more mistakes. He's not good enough and I provided examples to back the claim up, and for whatever reason that blows your mind. You're better off replacing it with a new one anyway, I've done you a favour.
They're just examples. Everyone forms their opinion on watching his rubbish performances.
Managers blah blah. United have been a shambles for a decade and these supposedly great managers and players are complicit. Signing the likes of Sanchez and playing the likes of Mctominay.
So please explain why we have had four managers who have consistently played McT, one of whom created an award to give to him?
Obviously if he was that bad this wouldn't have been the case surely?
Couple that with our most successful managers ever claiming McT should always be in the United squad for big games it begins to look slightly strange why 'fans' look upon him with disdain.
What's been provided as evidence is 12 seconds clips from Twitter, if that trumps the thoughts of those mentioned above then fair play.
And opinions are all they are.
Yet he consistently gets in the team, which eventually must prove that those opinions are probably misguided somewhat.
I guess we shouldn't trust any manager from now on then and instead trust biased Twitter feeds instead.
Opinions is all you have too.
He consistently gets into a shit team which has no midfielders. And somehow makes Fred look world class.
You can trust managers who have done a good job. Not those who have failed badly. These are managers who spent a billion and left us in an even worse shape.
2 individual performance highlights vs lower half teams from this season, a 21/22 round up, and 7 different examples of awful football. It felt like that was enough to get the point across but obviously not, the list would've been a lot longer if there wasn't 10 media link limit. Fans (well, the vast majority) are capable of forming their own opinion when watching the same team week in week out, and seeing the same problems arise over and over. If we were winning trophies then fair dos, you can't argue with the manager's selections and choices, but a trophy hasn't been won since 2017 so I'd give that counter argument a rest.
He is only getting games because our midfield is the worst in decades. I am not sure what is there to argue about, it's clear as day he just doesn't have the technical ability to be a regular player for at least TOP 10 teams in the league. He will be nowhere near the first team if we get ETH.