McTominay as a striker (3/4th choice in case that isn't entirely obvious)

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What is it with fans and sticking players to a different position that has zero meaning? Same has been said about Lindelof, Bailly as a DM several times. ( And many others )
Is it that many just have played football as kids and never themselves or is it just lack of understanding?
 
Skills said:
McTominay as a West Ham United player anyone? Why don't we try this instead?
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Good luck on getting the board to sell one player and buy another. This basic idea has failed us for several years now.

How many seasons has it taken to shift Pereira!
 
Andersonson said:
What is it with fans and sticking players to a different position that has zero meaning? Same has been said about Lindelof, Bailly as a DM several times. ( And many others )
Is it that many just have played football as kids and never themselves or is it just lack of understanding?
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It’s the FIFA effect.
 
UnitedFire said:
Good luck on getting the board to sell one player and buy another. This basic idea has failed us for several years now.

How many seasons has it taken to shift Pereira!
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Yeah we're too emotional especially with academy products. It seems like the entire world has to know you're up to no good before we'll let a player move on.

I'd say, McTominay is obviously not good enough. His stock after last season is at an all time low, so we need to use this season to put him up in the shop window. Then sell him on got a decent fee next summer
 
Andersonson said:
What is it with fans and sticking players to a different position that has zero meaning? Same has been said about Lindelof, Bailly as a DM several times. ( And many others )
Is it that many just have played football as kids and never themselves or is it just lack of understanding?
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I started off as a striker, moved to right wing, occasionally striker again. As my composure got better I moved to midfield and spent a long time here, sometimes as CM, sometimes AM.

As age has kicked in I've become more of a DLPM. I've never been a great tackler, but passing and crossing has always been on point. That with pace has made up for the tackling. I.e. More of an intercepter/ nick the ball away from feet, rather than sliding in

I've played football almost my whole life and numerous games a week for much of it.

All these means entirely jack shit compared to elite football, but I'm certain I have a better understanding of the game than half those on here thinking they are some kind of football messiah, but really they just have a superiority complex to make up for their lack of love growing up.
 
Alan Partridge said:
What about a front two with Maguire partnering him?
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Maguire is only good for lower half teams who spend the majority of the time defending deep. His lack of pace is a huge reason we never should have signed him. He doesn't read the game as well as a John Terry either so he doesn't make up for his lack of pace in timing and the game has moved on.
 
Sassy Colin said:
McT scores goal=New CR7

This is surely a parody thread.
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Maybe you don't watch every game, but McTominay has scored quite a few on the edge of the box. A position he has rarely been used in because we have wanted his physicality as DM.

I genuinely think he would be a better striker than DM.
 
Brophs said:
Anything to be said for McTominay being a baddie in a Rocky movie? He’s got the flat top hair for it.
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Legit could pass for Ivan Drago's son. Moreso than the fella they used in Creed 2 :lol:
 
RedRonaldo said:
I’d say one step at a time, let’s try to move him one step forward as an AM first, if things go according to plan we can then move him up to CF.
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I actually think he'd be better as a striker than AM. To be a good AM I think you need a low centre of gravity so you can shift the ball quickly to create shots or thread passes.

McTominay doesn't have the passing range or speed of feet.

You might get away with it with one world class DM and Bruno and McTominay in front as AMs.
 
Yeah, I don't think it'll work. There's a reason there's a dearth of top class strikers out there and to just try and shift McT in there would be pointless. Back to goal, need fantastic technique/touches as space is even more limited and all that.

Bruno as a false 9 is much more probable/realistic.
 
Renegade said:
Mctominay as a back up option. How about that?
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I was never suggesting we start him, more the backup if Ronaldo is injured or goes. If Martial does what he has done for the last two years and if we don't think the youth strikers are up to it yet or ever.

We lack cover up front currently and the suggestion is we don't have the budget to do anything about it.
 
Bayern have Choupo-Moting, we used to have Fellaini, Liverpool used to have Crouch, and so on. Honestly, why not?

What I think about McTominay is that he is a player who can do a really decent job when his set of objectives are simple albeit that playing in midfield is everything but simple. If we need a goal and want to have a tall guy in there as an extra option, it would be worth some consideration.
 
Ish said:
Yeah, I don't think it'll work. There's a reason there's a dearth of top class strikers out there and to just try and shift McT in there would be pointless. Back to goal, need fantastic technique/touches as space is even more limited and all that.

Bruno as a false 9 is much more probable/realistic.
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As a modern striker you might be right, but used in a more traditional target man, last man, edge of the box, like Sheringham but with a little more mobility I could see a way to make it work.
 
I want to see McTominay as a striker, Lindelof as a defensive midfielder, Fred as an inverted right wing-back, and Rashford at centerback.
 
does anyone remember how depressing it was when we needed a goal so we shoved Fellaini up front. I imagine this would be even worse
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Bayern have Choupo-Moting, we used to have Fellaini, Liverpool used to have Crouch, and so on. Honestly, why not?

What I think about McTominay is that he is a player who can do a really decent job when his set of objectives are simple albeit that playing in midfield is everything but simple. If we need a goal and want to have a tall guy in there as an extra option, it would be worth some consideration.
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Someone gets it....!

I've realised something on this thread. I'm probably trying to debate a concept of a more traditional striker that some younger posters couldn't even comprehend.
 
UnitedFire said:
As a modern striker you might be right, but used in a more traditional target man, last man, edge of the box, like Sheringham but with a little more mobility I could see a way to make it work.
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But Sheringham was very technical with a great touch and a cool finisher
 
UnitedFire said:
They should take action against you.

You aren't a mod, so don't tried to pretend you are.

I really do dislike arrogant little shits who think they are better than others, but just suffer from small penis syndrome.
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Post of the year :lol:
 
Reditus said:
does anyone remember how depressing it was when we needed a goal so we shoved Fellaini up front. I imagine this would be even worse
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Fellaini didn't strike me as someone who was a clean finisher. He actually did occasionally manage to lump himself into getting goals, but our whole play became hit and hope long balls and high crosses that were easy to defend.

McTominay has scored several edge of the box goals that are very clean and well timed finishes. It's this aspect that has stood out for me. They aren't even the Gibson power blasters that hit the top of the net they are well placed shots with enough power, hard and low as you would be coached.
 
Personally I'd like to see him as a manager.

Why not? He's tall
 
UnitedFire said:
As a modern striker you might be right, but used in a more traditional target man, last man, edge of the box, like Sheringham but with a little more mobility I could see a way to make it work.
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Could he "do a job" there? Yeah, I'm sure he could, as most pros could probably. But medium to long term, he'd be nowhere near good enough IMO - not even as a backup. Just opinions anyway, no harm.
 
Ish said:
Could he "do a job" there? Yeah, I'm sure he could, as most pros could probably. But medium to long term, he'd be nowhere near good enough IMO - not even as a backup. Just opinions anyway, no harm.
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The long term will look after itself.

We have a current need for options in attack. If this option worked out then great maybe we keep him as the utility option for numerous positions.

If he doesn't we'll be needing to take a chance on youth or spend more money.

I didn't think it needed to be explicit, but this thread was never intended as a McTominay can solve all our striker issues as the main man!
 
UnitedFire said:
He turns 26 in December. It might be too late to learn all the tricks of the trade of being a striker, or is it.

He is physically perfect as a striker, strong, has experience of winning balls in the air. At 6 foot 3 he has the height for winning crosses, although so far hasn't shown any heading ability in terms of getting goals.

He is pretty quick. His composure and striking ability is very good.

I'd argue Man Utd shouldn't be putting square pegs in round holes, but I do think McTominay would be a better striker than midfielder so if we can't replace him either way I'd be inclined to get him out of the midfield.

Thoughts? Ramblings of a mad man or something in it? He clearly won't have the skill of a Martial, but he might have the physical attributes to offer something else.
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Without reading the thread, I'm going to guess that it didn't quite go as you'd hoped?
 
UnitedFire said:
I actually think he'd be better as a striker than AM. To be a good AM I think you need a low centre of gravity so you can shift the ball quickly to create shots or thread passes.

McTominay doesn't have the passing range or speed of feet.

You might get away with it with one world class DM and Bruno and McTominay in front as AMs.
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The more I think about this, the more sense it makes to me.

He could be our final answer of the pressing no.9 we all craved for.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Since when did a striker score most of their goals from the edge of the box?
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If he can cleanly strike from the edge of the box do you not think that is significantly harder than doing the same thing in the box.

The point is his finishing technique looks to be one of his key attributes. He wouldn't have been put in this position in Man Utd youth teams if it wasn't.

Ole made reference to his striking with authority and the fact he used to be a striker.

For someone at 6 foot 3 he is pretty mobile and physically strong.

An international team don't put you at Centreback if they don't think you can defend a cross better than someone can attack it. Well turn that concept round and you have someone who is better at attacking a cross than your average striker.
 
Random Task said:
Without reading the thread, I'm going to guess that it didn't quite go as you'd hoped?
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It went like most threads on this forum.

Lots of arrogant top reds thinking they know better, despite any evidence to the contrary. So yeah I guess we should get back to talking about our title push with McTominay playing in DM, because that is clearly really working out for us with no trophies in 5 years.
 
Have we seen any real evidence that McTominay is good at any of the following aspects a striker needs.

a. Hold-up play
b. Timing and movement in the box
c. Finishing in one-on-one situations
d. Running in the channels
e. Taking on a man with dribbling ability

This seems to be purely based on height and the fact that he has hit a handful of good shots over the last three years. It's a dreadful, dreadful idea. One of the worst I have ever seen on this forum, and arguably much worse than the classic Lindelöf as DM.
 
I think Scott could play pretty much any position, from goalie to striker and be half decent everywhere. Any shout about a different position is valid imo.
He just isn´t good enough to be a starter anywhere for us.
 
UnitedFire said:
He turns 26 in December. It might be too late to learn all the tricks of the trade of being a striker, or is it.

He is physically perfect as a striker, strong, has experience of winning balls in the air. At 6 foot 3 he has the height for winning crosses, although so far hasn't shown any heading ability in terms of getting goals.

He is pretty quick. His composure and striking ability is very good.

I'd argue Man Utd shouldn't be putting square pegs in round holes, but I do think McTominay would be a better striker than midfielder so if we can't replace him either way I'd be inclined to get him out of the midfield.

Thoughts? Ramblings of a mad man or something in it? He clearly won't have the skill of a Martial, but he might have the physical attributes to offer something else.
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been saying and I will continue to recycle this opinion. he will finish his career as a decent league one CF. probably 10-15 league goals. safe mid table
 
Tbh, looking at how he has been out-performed by the youngsters, he really needs to step up to keep his squad place.

I hope ETH doesn’t persist with him if he continues his form from last year, it would seriously demotivate the youngsters coming through.

I feel like he doesn’t have the ability, nor footballing brain to play in the system, he takes too many touches and plays it too safe. He likes to play hide and seek from the football too much for my liking also.
 
Hides from the ball in midfield, definitely a promising trait for a striker.
 
UnitedFire said:
They should take action against you.

You aren't a mod, so don't tried to pretend you are.

I really do dislike arrogant little shits who think they are better than others, but just suffer from small penis syndrome.
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UnitedFire said:
I started off as a striker, moved to right wing, occasionally striker again. As my composure got better I moved to midfield and spent a long time here, sometimes as CM, sometimes AM.

As age has kicked in I've become more of a DLPM. I've never been a great tackler, but passing and crossing has always been on point. That with pace has made up for the tackling. I.e. More of an intercepter/ nick the ball away from feet, rather than sliding in

I've played football almost my whole life and numerous games a week for much of it.

All these means entirely jack shit compared to elite football, but I'm certain I have a better understanding of the game than half those on here thinking they are some kind of football messiah, but really they just have a superiority complex to make up for their lack of love growing up.
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
So now that its beginning to look like its only a matter of time before he looses his place in midfield, you'll have conducted some mental gymnastics to find him a new spot?
 
You are going the wrong direction with McT. I suspect ETH will eventually use him to drop into the back four at times as an extra centre half and allow Martinez and Varane to roam forward ala Timber and Martinez at Ajax. McT regularly turns out as part of a back 3 for Scotland although I don't think ETH will play that way
 
Smith was turned into a midfielder by SAF. He was paired by O'Shea.
 
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